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Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:56 am

I have heard some not so well known aviation facts, I believe I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747 can lift a locomotive?
The width of the 777 engine is the same width of a 737....

Does anybody have anymore of these type of facts?
 
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:42 am

By the time an RB.211 reaches FL350, the air that has passed thru it is the equivalent of what a human will breathe in an average lifetime.
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
The width of the 777 engine is the same width of a 737....

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/karen_engine.html

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747

Seems a locomotive weighs between 36 and 54 tons, 72,000 and 108,000 lbs respectively. http://www.catskillarchive.com/rrextra/chapt26.Html A loaded 744 around 400+ tons, 800,000+ lbs, seems that would be correct. There is a whole lot of difference in picking a locomotive up and using wings to lift a plane. The stuff I really know nothing about. Just by weight, seems like it would be possible.

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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:11 am

Well. a crane powered by a 747 engine could most certainly lift a locomotive. Actually, cranes with much less powerful engines do.
As far as lifting a locomotive on wings, well, the first to do that wasn't a Jumbo, but Ruslan, the AN 124. She (or he?) transported a locomotive from YXU to SNN. I just wonder what had the pilots in mind while taking off with this load from YXU's 8800' runway...
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:52 am

- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

-An124 is not pressurized except for the crew compartment.
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:23 pm

It takes less than 1 second to suck a 100 ft roll of toilet paper into an B767 toilet.
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:03 pm

You will be long gone and dead before Northwest retires its DC-9's and Air France washes its planes.
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):

Isn't that rather differnce in ordnance?
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
Isn't that rather differnce in ordnance?

Yes and no. More a combination of both. "Smart weapons" would still require a "smart aircraft" to deliver them. And a B-2 can carry far more payload than what a B-17 could carry.
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:32 pm

If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

You end up with some water?
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Thu Nov 23, 2006 2:37 pm

The First person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible was accomplished by.......


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Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:18 pm

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When will Northwest retire its DC9s?

When will Air France wash their planes?

Who will Aeroflot buy planes from Airbus (350) or Boeing (787)?

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Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:26 pm

I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):

Dont know bout a Galaxy, but I know it would have been done inside the economy section of a 747

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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):
The First person to demonstrate that routine, controlled flight was possible was accomplished by.......


A Brazillian.

So is my favourite exhibit at Madame Tussaud's  Wink
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting 777D (Thread starter):
I believe I heard somewhere that a engine from a 747 can lift a locomotive?

I know I have seen the google-video in which a VA 747 blows over 2 different cars at full thrust. Can it blow over a locomotive? OR is that just too much weight? On that same video it said that if a 747 at full thrust was left in the same place for a long period of time it would rip up the pavement? Is that true?
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 3):
As far as lifting a locomotive on wings, well, the first to do that wasn't a Jumbo, but Ruslan, the AN 124. She (or he?) transported a locomotive from YXU to SNN. I just wonder what had the pilots in mind while taking off with this load from YXU's 8800' runway...

I know people in London ON here who witnessed that. Said it was quite impressive, biggest aircraft ever to visit YXU. Apparently the 124 visits Toronto frequently, I've seen it on the cargo ramp once or twice while taxiing.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 10):
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

You end up with some water?

And a shredded carrot....more fun than a food processor.
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:45 am

On an A320, once you flush the toilet, it will inhibit the flush in all lavatories of the aircraft during 7 seconds (merci Gabriel)
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 11):

and his name is Santos Dumont....
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

And a trashed turbofan. They can eat snow without problem, until it is clumped together into a tightly packed snowball. The compression of the snow melts slightly and refreezes into ice. The blades don't like ice very much and you will damage them when injesting that amount of ice. We had an airplane with rear mounted fans takeoff years ago without being deiced properly. They simply did not deice the fuselage. All of the snow on top blew back into the #2 engine which really messed up about 20 blades. Oops.

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Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 5):
It takes less than 1 second to suck a 100 ft roll of toilet paper into an B767 toilet.

Wow. Now that is impressive! With 3 sheets to the foot that's more than 300 sheets at a speed of in excess 18,000 sph (sheets per hour). Isn't that faster than Concorde or something?

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):
I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?

I'm not sure this is correct. My impression is that the Wright brothers' first flight was before the C-5 was built. Wilbur died soon after that first flight - 1912 I believe, although Orville lived a lot longer, dying in 1948 at the age of 77. So I'm pretty certain that choosing Kitty Hawk rather than waiting for the C-5, despite the protection it would have given them from adverse air currents, was a good one.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:05 am

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 4):
- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

The SR-71's inlets also slowed the airflow to the core of the engine to subsonic while the aircraft was travelling at Mach 3+.
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 4):
- Athough Concorde flew supersonic, the air entering the engines was slowed down to subsonic speed using a mechanical lift system internally.

All supersonic aircraft have to have some system of slowing the air entering the engine to subsonic speed, not just the Concorde. Jet engines can not function if supersonic air get to the compressor section.
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 22):
I'm not sure this is correct. My impression is that the Wright brothers' first flight was before the C-5 was built. Wilbur died soon after that first flight - 1912 I believe, although Orville lived a lot longer, dying in 1948 at the age of 77. So I'm pretty certain that choosing Kitty Hawk rather than waiting for the C-5, despite the protection it would have given them from adverse air currents, was a good one.

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Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:15 am

Elvis Presley only ever set foot once on UK soil and that was at EGPK/PIK in 1960 when the aircraft he was travelling on stopped to refuel.

He was enroute to Germany for his military service.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:23 am

* The oldest airline in the world is KLM.
* The largest airline ever is the former soviet Aeroflot.
* The Kansai Airport, in Osaka, is sinking.
* The best rated airport in the World is in Singapore.
* There are 6 female captains in Brazil.
* The 787 is the first Boeing aircraft not launched by a US carrier.
* Emirates is the highest profile airline not belonging to a branded alliance.
* Braniff and Singapore Airlines had a Concorde
* One can fly Air India between London and New York
* One can fly JAL between São Paulo and New York
* EMBRAER is headquartered and based in Brazil.
* Southwest did not try Minneapolis yet.
* The aviation business, as a whole, is probably the most important single industry behind the US economic success during the 20th century.
* British Airway´s CEO is an Irish former CEO.
* US Airways used to have an Indian president.
* Germany and Japan used to have very sophisticated war planes.
* John Travolta has a private airfield, capable of handling a 707.
* The Fokker F-27 Super MK-500 is the best, sexistes and most beloved plane ever made!  

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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):
I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?

This is true.

I've was told by the C-17 loadmasters at 99 Sqn at RAF Brize Norton that the maximum cargo weight of a C-130 Hercules can be carried on the back loading ramp of a C-17.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:04 am

The Boeing 737-100 was the standard short-body version of the "classic" 737 family.
Lufthansa was the first foreign airline to launch a new Boeing plane and was the only customer to purchase the 737-100 from new.

Only 30 aircraft of this type were ever produced.

The short and stubby appearance of the first 737-100 earned it the nickname among Boeing engineers as "FLUF", being an acronym for "Fat Little Ugly Fella"
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting 808TWA (Reply 26):
Elvis Presley only ever set foot once on UK soil and that was at EGPK/PIK in 1960 when the aircraft he was travelling on stopped to refuel.

So that wasn't him in the chip shop in Brighton then??

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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Lairyliam (Reply 30):
So that wasn't him in the chip shop in Brighton then??

Which reminds me....It's lunch time here and I'm just starving for a fish supper, damn I miss a good chippy.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:32 am

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* Braniff and Singapore Airlines had a Concorde

Not strictly true. They were BA Concordes, one side of which were briefly painted in either Branniff or Singapore colours. They operated a limited number of flights and unless I am mistaken, the Branniff ones were sub-sonic as they were over continental US.

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* John Travolta has a private airfield, capable of handling a 707.

I could be wrong, but I believe he lives in one of those communities for aviation nuts where they share a runway, (and have taxiways leading from their homes). I read somewhere - but can't link a cite or source - that the runway is not long enough for his 707 to take off fully fuelled.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 23):
The SR-71's inlets also slowed the airflow to the core of the engine to subsonic while the aircraft was travelling at Mach 3+.

Also, at mach 3, the majority of the engines thrust was attained from the bypass and afterburners creating a ramjet effect. The Turbojet was merely to provide low speed power.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):
done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy.



Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Reply 14):
it would have been done inside the economy section of a 747

Well, the C-5 is bigger than the 747, so the Wright Bros. could have done their flight in both planes.

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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting BAe146QT (Reply 32):
the Branniff ones were sub-sonic as they were over continental US.

As a follow up, a Concorde was painted in Pepsi colours (Blue) at one point and it also could only be permitted to fly subsonic. The reason is that a colour other than white, would result in the airframe exceeding it's temperature threshold due to friction.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:41 am

Quoting Ciro (Reply 27):
* One can fly Air India between London and New York
* One can fly JAL between São Paulo and New York

* One can fly Cathay Pacific between Vancouver and New York (JFK)
* One Can fly PAL between Vancouver and Las Vages
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 2):
Seems a locomotive weighs between 36 and 54 tons, 72,000 and 108,000 lbs respectively.

Err... modern locomotives weigh around 400,000 lbs. Just FYI.  Smile
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Lairyliam (Reply 30):
So that wasn't him in the chip shop in Brighton then??

There's a chip shop in Brighton with an Elvis in? Where?
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:09 am

I heard that on a large turbofan at TO power the forces on each blade are the equivilant of the weight of a railway locamotive.

Also if the 744 ad piston engines it would need 16 to get airbourne.
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 22):
Wow. Now that is impressive! With 3 sheets to the foot that's more than 300 sheets at a speed of in excess 18,000 sph (sheets per hour). Isn't that faster than Concorde or something?

100ft of paper in 1 sec, that's 6000ft in 1 minute or 360000ft in 1hour.
So that's approximately 68 mph, or 109 km/h.
Although it's still impressive, it's very far from being faster than Concorde  Wink
 
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:37 am

Quoting YLWbased (Reply 36):
* One can fly Cathay Pacific between Vancouver and New York (JFK)
* One Can fly PAL between Vancouver and Las Vages

Ok, there are a lot of airlines with 5th+ freedom rights.  Wink
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:41 am

I'm sure someone can check this, but I was told the horizontal stabilizer on a 747 is the same size as the wing of a 737.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 10):
Quoting Alphaomega (Reply 9):
If a snowman was built on the ramp, and sucked into a turbofan, would anything happen?

You end up with some water?

Please, it's called snowman blood.
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:46 am

A 767 could inflate the goodyear blimp with the air passing through one engine on takeoff.

Half the parts on a 747 are fasteners.

MD-90 has the heaviest engines ever rear mounted on an aircraft.

A nearly empty 777LR can accelerate climbing at a greater than 45 degree angle.

A 777 accelerates from zero to sixty in five seconds.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:13 am

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 44):
MD-90 has the heaviest engines ever rear mounted on an aircraft.

It's the heaviest individual engine on an all rear mounted engined aircraft.

The MD-11 has the heaviest rear mounted engine and the IL-62 has the heaviest combined rear mounted engine weight.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:23 am

The winglets on a 744 are actually 6 feet tall.
 
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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting FXfan (Reply 13):
I'm told that the Wright brothers' first flight could have been done entirely within the fuselage of a C-5 Galaxy. Anyone know for sure?

This is fact.

More interesting tidbits:

- The fusalage of the Concorde is about 12 inches longer during supersonic cruise (I can't remember where I read that).

- When an SR-71 is fueled and on the ground, fuel leaks out since the fuel tanks don't "seal" properly until the aircraft is in the air. Heat created by the friction of air passing over the skin of the aircraft seals the fuel tanks.

- A C-130 Hercules landed on an aircraft carrier in the 60's, without using arresting cables or a tailhook. (it also took off!!)

That's all I can think of, for now...


Cheers

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RE: Unusual Aviation Facts

Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting Irobertson (Reply 17):
I know people in London ON here who witnessed that.

I know one too. Except he lives in Dorchester, not in London.
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Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:35 am

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