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Does P&W Have A Chance For Future Airliners?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:14 am

P&W has been losing out to GE and RR in many recent projects. For the 777-200LR, 777-300ER, and 747-8, Boeing has selected GE exclusively. For the 787, Boeing has selected GE and RR. For Airbus, the A350 is available with RR engines, with GE engines a possibility. Although engines from Engine Alliance are offered for the A380, EA is a joint venture between P&W and GE. Boeing is not likely to offer three engine options on Y3. For Y3, GE will likely be the first engine choice, but RR and P&W may perhaps compete for the second engine choice. The 737RS and NSR might be able to support three engine manufacturers, however, the engines offered on the 737 and A320 have been by joint ventures, CFM and IAE. Currently, RR and P&W are studying separate engine designs, which could split up IAE. We also shouldn't rule out the future RJ market, where P&W may compete.

What are your thoughts on the future of P&W competing on new aircraft? Will they be out of the commercial aviation business, focusing on military aircraft?
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RE: Does P&W Have A Chance For Future Airliners?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:23 am

Sadly not many people have a lot of faith in PW anymore thanks to a few recent blunders. (PW 4098, Superfan, PW6000)

First of all, read this thread. There are some great posts about a potential PW engines for the A350 and there is still the opportunity to post some more questions.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3107775/

PW are currently in love with the concept of the geared turbofan and have been infatuated with it for more than a decade.

There is a good chance that if they do not get on the A350 they will try and develop the next generation of narrowbody engines using the geared turbofan concept.
 
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RE: Does P&W Have A Chance For Future Airliners?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:26 am

If P&W has a chance anywhere, it's with the 737RS and A320RS, I believe. I think the GTF could do well in that market.
 
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RE: Does P&W Have A Chance For Future Airliners?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
Sadly not many people have a lot of faith in PW anymore thanks to a few recent blunders. (PW 4098, Superfan, PW6000)

I would change the order. The Superfan isn't on the airline's radar. Maybe Airbus', not the airlines.

But they botched the pw4098, pw4172, pw4062 (compressor surge), and yes the pw6000 (but the pw6000A will be ok. Won't make money...)

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
PW are currently in love with the concept of the geared turbofan and have been infatuated with it for more than a decade.

Yep!  bigthumbsup 

The reality is Pratt needs to get out a new engine. With the JT8D's and JT9D's leaving the fleet, a lot of parts revenue is being lost and jet engines are a razor blade business (the profit is in the replacement parts).

The GTF's are their best hope. Its a major fuel burn advantage.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
If P&W has a chance anywhere, it's with the 737RS and A320RS

That is going to be the highest profit market for a long time, so Pratt *has* to get into it. The A320RS will happen. It might be via IAE, but it will happen. Boeing has "discovered" with the 787 the advantage of interchangable engines and the selling power (leasing agencies love the idea); I bet the 737RS will follow the same path.

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