cityairline
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MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:21 pm

Hey!

I was checking out asian routes and frequencies, when I noticed this.
There are only 4 weekly flights between MNL and CGK! It's on PR and it's operated by A333 via SIN(!!!).

Maybe I'm the only one who thinks this is wierd. But my point is, Jakarta and Manila are the two biggest cities in southeast asia with populations of 17m respectively 15m (depending on how you count ofcourse, and let us not turn this into a fight about citypopulations), and still there are only 4 flights/week, who aren't even non-stop!

I know routes aren't totally driven by population in the cities, it's more about 'contact' (business/ethnic/tourism), and thats why there are like ten daily ,mostly widebody, MNL-HKG or CGK-SIN.
But still! Aren't those two cities big enough to have at least one daily non-stop widebody, even though there are not much contact?

So, my question is; Whats the reason to this? Is it the lack of aircraft at PR and GA? Wolud they have had more flights if they had more equipment? Or is it something else that I've missed?

Any comments appreciated  Smile

//Alex
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HB-IWC
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:03 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
But still! Aren't those two cities big enough to have at least one daily non-stop widebody, even though there are not much contact?

Simple answer: the market for daily nonstop flights is not there. PR could easily make CGK service daily by extending the existing SIN service into CGK the other 3 night of the weeks but there is too little traffic for that. Add to that the fact that the business traffic between the two cities is very likely to favor Singapore Airlines with its multiple daily options. That said, Tony Fernandes of Air Asia stated last week on the BBC that a nonstop Jakarta to Manila flight is in the range of expectations.
 
MEA-707
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:17 pm

Socially and culturally the countries don't have close ties.
Both Indonesia and the Philippines have expat, former colonial and tourist ties with Europe, the Mid East, the US, closeby trade cities like Singapore and Hong Kong but have little interest for eachother. Few of the millions of people in Manila and Jakarta would, if they already have the chance of making an international flight, choose eachothers slightly drab cities as their chosen dream destination. The flights there are now, and the countless possibilities to connect via SIN, KUL, BKK and HKG are enough to cater for the current demand.
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mandala499
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:57 am

Here's the perception...
Jakarta laughs at Manila and Manila laughs at us... all for the right/wrong/whatever reasons.

Very few biz connections and we're competitors in the "domestic workers" markets in SIN...

Mandala499
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HB-IWC
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 2):
choose eachothers slightly drab cities as their chosen dream destination

I like your choice of words a lot but, as a temporary resident of Jakarta, I would not be insulted the least bit if you were to call this third world hell utterly dull and not the least bit interesting except for the abundance of shopping malls which are virtually identical one after the other.

That said, I agree with most of the comments here. There is not a lot of traffic between the two cities and PR, with its four weekly connections, often carries more SIN-CGK-SIN traffic than actual MNL-CGK-MNL traffic for which the flight was designed. Most of the MNL traffic which PR is catching here at CGK is connecting transpacific traffic.
 
twoodsmnl
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 1):
That said, Tony Fernandes of Air Asia stated last week on the BBC that a nonstop Jakarta to Manila flight is in the range of expectations.

HB-IWC

Did Tony Fernandes say non-stop JKT to MNL or non-stop JKT to Clark because I thought Air Asia is operating out of Clark in the Philippines ? Thanks
 
HB-IWC
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Twoodsmnl (Reply 5):
Did Tony Fernandes say non-stop JKT to MNL or non-stop JKT to Clark because I thought Air Asia is operating out of Clark in the Philippines ?

He said that there was currently no nonstop service between mega cities like Jakarta and Manila and that Air Asia was planning to do something about that in the near future. The context of the discussion was Fernandes' desire to add another 30 A320 frames to the airline's existing order.

That said, I think it is safe to presume that when Tony Fernandes talks about Manila, he is actually referring to Clark and as such Angeles City. I believe, however, that Air Asia provides a shuttle bus to and from Manila for its passengers at Clark. We'll see if Air Asia will actually go ahead with its apparent plan of establishing a nonstop connection between Indonesia and the Philippines.
 
twoodsmnl
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RE: MNL-CGK, To Few Flights?

Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:04 pm

HB-IWC

Thanks much.

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