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A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:57 am

According to media reports from China, when the A380 made its world test flight stop in Beijing, the pilot took wrong command and land the plane from the wrong side of the runway.

The A380 landed at Beijing on 1006LT 23NOV (MSN002) from Guangzhou.

The plane landed on the East runway of Beijing Airport, facing Northward. however it made sudden U-turn and face South and enters taxiway.

At the time, planes were suppose to face southward for landing and take offs. Planes are not suppose to land on the runway and make U-turn immediately.

Because the A380 landed from wrong direction, few Air China planes were forced to stop taxiing before enters the east runway.


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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:07 am

What is exactely "the wrong side of Runway" ?

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:11 am

Could someone clear this up a bit? Seems like it would be hard to do if one was in contact with the tower, and it's not as if the 380 was likely to sneak up on Beijing.
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:26 am

That's also what I think.
Seems hard to believe ...

The A380 visit at BJS was not really a "surprise" for anybody including the ATC.
And if a plane like this one, for such a "visit" was making all its approach on the "wrong side" of the Runway, somebody should have noticed and mentionned it before it landed !
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
What is exactely "the wrong side of Runway" ?

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

landing/takeoff direction should be from north to south, which A380 landed from south, facing northward.
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:25 am

Well, the approach controller fully knew which runway he vectored (or issued a STAR) the A380 to. The tower controller would have been advised by the approach controller too. Everybody down to the ground controller should have been in the loop.

You may find that the landing direction was dictated by available taxiways and/or suitable parking spots.

We had a pre-defined route for the A380 when it was in AUH for those reasons.

I think it's a bit of media sensationalising the issue as some aircraft had to hold in order to give way to the 380.
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:28 am

According to the translation the aircraft landed properly, but then did a 160° turn to exit the runway. No big deal - I believe it's just a case of pilot disorientation coupled with ATC miscommunication.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:43 am

I don't think he landed on the wrong 'side'. Tower would have had him on finals and he would have shown on radar should a misunderstanding have been the case. The fact that he landed would suggest to me that it wa a 'special case' along a predetermined track
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting FlySSC

Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

If one side is 36R, then the other is 18L. Could be a typo, just felt I needed to correct this. Always 180 degrees difference in direction on one runway.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 4):
landing/takeoff direction should be from north to south, which A380 landed from south, facing northward



Quoting SB (Reply 6):
According to the translation the aircraft landed properly, but then did a 160° turn to exit the runway.



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 9):
The 380 landed south instead of sout-southeast.

If you look at the web site; Beijing's has two runways 18L/36R 3800m long and 18R/36L 3200m long. The runways run north and south (not southeast). If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R. I don't see how either could be considered the "wrong side". Landings and takeoffs are normally accomplished "into the wind". Should the wind be blowing from the north landings and takeoffs would be on runway 18L or 18R. If the wind was comming out of the south, they would turn the airport around and use runways 36L and 36R.
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:08 am

Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there. Smile
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R.

No, if it landed FROM the south, then it landed on 36R or 36L.
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:30 am

I would like to give jimyvr (thread starter) an award for the most confusing post of the day. However, I suspect that English is not his native language, so it wouldn't be fair.  Smile

While I'm on this subject: I think TommyBP251b deserves an award for recklessness by making an AvB warlike statemant, even though he put a  Smile at the end. Finally, Osiris30 gets 2 thumbs down for taking him seriously and then making uncalled for remarks.

Just to be perfectly clear - none of the above should be taken seriously.
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 1):
Do you mean that they landed on Rwy 36R instead of 16L ?

The reciprocal of rwy 36R would be 18L, not 16L.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:16 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
If you look at the web site; Beijing's has two runways 18L/36R 3800m long and 18R/36L 3200m long. The runways run north and south (not southeast). If the A380 landed from the south it used 18L or 18R. I don't see how either could be considered the "wrong side". Landings and takeoffs are normally accomplished "into the wind". Should the wind be blowing from the north landings and takeoffs would be on runway 18L or 18R. If the wind was comming out of the south, they would turn the airport around and use runways 36L and 36R.

I think you have got a little mixed up, if an aircraft is landing from the south it would be heading north and therefore landing in this case on 36L or R if the wind swung around to come from the the south say 170 degrees ATC would change the runways in use to 18L/R, so if the wind was from the north you would use 36 and from the south 18.

Hope this clears it up.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:22 am

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 13):
The reciprocal of rwy 36R would be 18L, not 16L.



Quoting CCA (Reply 14):

I think you have got a little mixed up, if an aircraft is landing from the south it would be heading north and therefore landing in this case on 36L or R if the wind swung around to come from the the south say 170 degrees ATC would change the runways in use to 18L/R, so if the wind was from the north you would use 36 and from the south 18.

Hope this clears it up.

You both are right, the runways are numbered where your going (your heading) not where you have been. I knew that just didn't write that.
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:23 am

This sounds like a taxiing error. Maybe it turned onto an active runway when they were instructed to instead exit the opposite side.

Jimyvr did not say the approach was incorrect (PEK tower is always manned, and probably would not tolerate the wrong runway being used).
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:30 am

Here's an idea - don't listen to everything the media claims.  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting Jbguller (Reply 17):
Here's an idea - don't listen to everything the media claims

What exactly are you saying?? That the media is SOMETIMES slightly less than perfect when it comes to aviation stories??  sarcastic   sarcastic 
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:46 pm

wow, glad that no planes head-on happened in the runway  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:59 pm

A language or translation issue is believable, this is the info that amazes me!

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 12):
I would like to give jimyvr (thread starter) an award for the most confusing post of the day. However, I suspect that English is not his native language, so it wouldn't be fair.

While I'm on this subject: I think TommyBP251b deserves an award for recklessness by making an AvB warlike statemant, even though he put a at the end. Finally, Osiris30 gets 2 thumbs down for taking him seriously and then making uncalled for remarks.

SWEET!! hyper  Finally, we get awards for posting and honorable mention for posts that counteract the thread. Oh man, so many topics, so many possible awards...  box 

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:49 pm

What a useless thread.
 
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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Blackbird1331 (Reply 10):
Blame this one on China. They buy so many Boeings that an Airbus does not know what to do when it gets there.

Considering there are near or less 350 airbuses flying around in china I'm sure they know what to do perfectly well.

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RE: A380 Lands In Beijing On The Wrong Side Of Runway

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 19):
What exactly are you saying?? That the media is SOMETIMES slightly less than perfect when it comes to aviation stories??

...hard to believe huh!!  Smile

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