8herveg
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BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:07 am

If you click on this photo, it looks to me as if the Club Europe seat on BA is exactly the same as Economy:

http://www1.airliners.net/open.file?...20ol%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=36

Can anyone explain this? I thought their Business Class seats were wider?

What is the service like? Do they get a proper meal whatever time of the flight? Or is it just the morning breakfast?
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:30 am

Actually I think that the BA Club Europe on the A319/320 is arranged 2-3 across instead of 3-3 across in economy. . . So it is a bit wider and the seat pitch is increased over economy. . .

and the service and food should be better etc. etc. . . .
 
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:37 am

on the 737 fleet it was 2 3 seating at the front in club europe, it cost £50 per sector to upgrade.
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:38 am

The front 'n' rows (where 'n' is a number dependent on the aircraft type) are convertible seats that have a greater pitch than the other rows. They are quickly adjustable from a Club Europe three-two row to a Euro Traveller three-three row.

If you are travelling EuroTraveller you therefore want to try to obtain a seat as near the front of the aircraft as possible. This will give you a seat that except for its width is effectively a Club Europe seat.

On the A319 the above arrangement is facilitated by 15 rows of adjustable seats at a 34 inch pitch and 6 (soon to be 7) rows of nonconvertible seats at a 32 inch pitch. This enables BA to adjust the seating arrangement on the 319 from C75 / Y36 (111) to C0 / Y126 (126) depending upon demand.

On the A320 the front 15 rows are again adjustable 34 inch pitch seats. The extremes are C110 / Y17 (127) and C0 / Y149 (149).

So yes. Many of the economy seats on many flights look just like the Club Europe seats. But the 'economy only' seats at the back of the aircraft are different.

By the way the current programme to add an extra row of seats on the 319s is being achieved by replacing the existing 'Y only' seats with the seats that are standard up the back of BA's A321s. These seats are thinner and are said to give as much leg room as the old seats they are replacing.
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
On the A319 the above arrangement is facilitated by 15 rows of adjustable seats at a 34 inch pitch and 6 (soon to be 7) rows of nonconvertible seats at a 32 inch pitch

Incorrect, the new pitch is 30 inches, like on the 321.

When I fly BA in Economy, like I did today, I always choose a seat thats club converter, especially the exit row as I have more legroom than Club and the same seat but not quite as wide.

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
What is the service like? Do they get a proper meal whatever time of the flight? Or is it just the morning breakfast?

On LHR you generally have more crew, on LGW unless its over 21 in club there is the purser only. The service depends on the band. All flights have meals throughout the day. The seats are wider than Economy, try to get an A or C seat as the B seat is pushed together and made into a place to put your newspapers etc. The following is a run-down of service, should answer all your questions:

Hot Towels
Hot or Cold Meal with 3 plates (bar some shorter flights)
Complimentary full bar with superior alcohol to Y including champagne
Tea/Coffee
Warmed Bread, Pastry pass

That is the basics and as the flight band increases you get slightly more, such as menu's on a band 4: full hot meal, additional bread/pastry pass, 2 bar services, extra hot towels before landing, Choice of appetiser (ex LHR) etc etc

The food is very good, here is an example:


Thanks,

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Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:12 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 4):
Incorrect, the new pitch is 30 inches, like on the 321.

Of course you are correct. Thanks. But without actually quoting the pitch what I was trying to impart was that the perceived pitch of the new and old seats (as determined by leg room) is claimed to be the same because the two inches saved is said to be due to the reduced thickness of the back of the seat. Do you know if this claim is true or if actually there is a measurable reduction in leg space?
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:43 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 5):
Thanks. But without actually quoting the pitch what I was trying to impart was that the perceived pitch of the new and old seats (as determined by leg room) is claimed to be the same because the two inches saved is said to be due to the reduced thickness of the back of the seat. Do you know if this claim is true or if actually there is a measurable reduction in leg space?

Hey there, very true, just a miscommunication between us. Due to the new thinner seats you can't tell the difference, but still go for the Club converters anyday!

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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:57 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
By the way the current programme to add an extra row of seats on the 319s is being achieved by replacing the existing 'Y only' seats with the seats that are standard up the back of BA's A321s. These seats are thinner and are said to give as much leg room as the old seats they are replacing.

Has anyone got a photo of these new thinner seats that they are installing ?
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:05 am

Quoting A340600 (Reply 6):
Hey there, very true, just a miscommunication between us. Due to the new thinner seats you can't tell the difference, but still go for the Club converters anyday!

Thanks for your further comment. Your clarification raises a wider issue. It is:
What is the value of comparing seat pitch between airlines when one airline is flying the same type of aircraft some with seats in a 32 inch pitch and others with a 30 inch pitch with both giving the same leg room because the thickness of the back of the seats is different?

A corollary to this quesation is:

Is there any valid measurement that actually defines leg room?
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:27 pm

Personally I think BA could do a lot more to accommodate their Club Europe guests. Especially when you consider that refreshments are free in economy and the service is regularly pretty good, all your paying for is two inches of legroom and a lounge pass. All for the very good price of £450 compared to £125 that it costs to fly in Euro Traveller.
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:06 pm

I'm thinking of travelling in club europe this christmas and just have a few questions:

what are the bands you are talking about, is it how long the flight lasts?
the complimentary bar - is that all throughout the flight or 1 free drink with your meal?
will you only get hot food if you fly over lunch time?
also, just to confirm - are the club europe seats 34" pitch?

thanks very much
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:41 pm

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For Jonty...

Quoting Jonty (Reply 10):
what are the bands you are talking about, is it how long the flight lasts?

the complimentary bar - is that all throughout the flight or 1 free drink with your meal?

will you only get hot food if you fly over lunch time?

also, just to confirm - are the club europe seats 34" pitch?

1 - yes.

2 - throughout. [Except on very short hops like CDG, AMS, JER, etc. where the only really feasible way to do the service is combined meal + drinks] A good crew will do a drinks run before the meal then offer you a drink with the meal service too. A lazy crew will sling a tray at you and ask you what you want to drink all in one go. Regardless, the bar is available throughout if you want more.

3 - depends on the route/time of day. Always a tray/meal but its contents (and the quality) can vary quite widely IME. I believe flights it's departing before 10:30 which get the nice full English breakfast of which I'm quite fond   On short routes, you may get lumbered with some crappy cold salad mix (like GVA-LGW yesterday for me, despite it "just" being Band 2 according to the Purser).

4 - Yes.

[Edited 2006-11-26 15:43:24]
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:51 pm

Quoting Paul (Reply 9):
, all your paying for is two inches of legroom and a lounge pass. All for the very good price of £450 compared to £125 that it costs to fly in Euro Traveller.

The major thing you are paying for is for a fully flexible ticket which can be changed any way you want not a retricted unchangeable one in regular Euro Traveller
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:03 am

As regards the complimentary bar, for us at LGW on most flights it is a limited bar with wine, beer, water and coke in EuroTraveller whereas in Club it is a full extensive selection. As far as I can remember anyway...
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:31 am

Quoting Antonovman (Reply 12):
The major thing you are paying for is for a fully flexible ticket which can be changed any way you want not a retricted unchangeable one in regular Euro Traveller

Not true. Unless you're buying a full J ticket (which typically costs more than 450 quid on most routes), you'll find the lower Club buckets are (ex-UK at least) far more restricted than any ET fares! Now all ET fares are at least changeable for 30 quid + fare difference before the day of departure, you'll find they're far more flexible than the IEUNBA (non-ugradeable, non-changeable) or CEUNBA (non-changeable, sometimes upgradeable) fares which fill the 'Business/Club (Lowest)' buckets...
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:40 am

Quoting Paul (Reply 9):
All for the very good price of £450 compared to £125 that it costs to fly in Euro Traveller.

It is down to personal or company choice, as with anything.

Quoting GBOAC (Reply 11):
Always a tray/meal but its contents (and the quality) can vary quite widely IME. I believe flights it's departing before 10:30 which get the nice full English breakfast of which I'm quite fond

I thought the breakfast finished half hour earlier, I know that's definite for ET but not sure on CE.

Quoting BFS (Reply 13):
As regards the complimentary bar, for us at LGW on most flights it is a limited bar with wine, beer, water and coke in EuroTraveller whereas in Club it is a full extensive selection. As far as I can remember anyway...

This 'lite' bar as I call it is offered on Band 1's and 2's ex LGW in Eurotraveller to help the crew have enough time for the service since the crew numbers have been cut. I travelled on a band 3 a couple of days ago and the purser brought the club bar through ET (minus champagne) whilst the other 2 crew brought a full ET bar from the back. Pax won't notice that the row in front of them is getting a superior alcohol, he was just helping out. For example both myself and my friend ordered a vodka and orange, I got black/blue label she got red. To put it simply- full bar in all classes minus ET on bands 1/2 ex LGW, though the quality differs. Domestic has the club bar (minus champagne) and still offers a full service as there are more crew.

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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:14 am

What happened to BA's new Club Europe seat trial?
 
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RE: BA Club Europe - Seats Look The Same As Economy!

Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:17 am

what are the limits for the bands?
is it in terms of the nearest hour of flight time or something?

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