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SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:48 pm

SIA gets the first 2 of at least 19 this Tuesday. Anyone know when their first revenue flights are?

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Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:13 pm

5/6th of December SIN-CDG-SIN. I know that CGK of Flyertalk is on the first flight (as always)  Smile

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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:28 pm

What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution on the environment. Why bother conserving, if a an airline like SIA consumes so much fuel just becuase of luxury.
 
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Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:33 pm

I can't wait to get into one of those new C seats, for sure! Im already saving my Krisflyer points for a nice F upgrade next year  Wink

SQ is smart. With prices on Y class tickets falling to rock bottom with no margins they focus on their C and F passengers that are willing to pay for top service & experience.
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:40 pm

Are their new C-class seats in a 1-2-1 configuration? I don't think I've ever seen this configuration for business class. Anybody else operates this config in biz?

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Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:41 pm

Point taken Cobra, but need I remind you this is Customer Retention 101, not Saving The Earth 101. They were doing the same thing back in the day on CV-880s and 707s...would you rather we still had those gas guzzlers everywhere?
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting UAL747-600 (Thread starter):
SIA gets the first 2 of at least 19 this Tuesday.


SIA's first B77W 9V-SWA already arrived SIN 23 Nov 2006.

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:29 am

So these deliveries must be the 2nd and 3rd.

Can anyone confirm?

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:36 am

Drove by PAE on Wed and they were both out on the flight line ready to go. I'll keep an eye on Flight Tracker to watch them take to the skies and wish them well.
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration.

Singapore Airlines Limited's configuration of the Boeing 777-300ER is not stupid.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

Stupid.........you must be joking. SQ's 773ERs are configured with large F and J cabins with cutting edge accommodation for those premium passengers. These airplanes will be dedicated to high-yeild longrange routes.....where F and J cabins go out full on a daily basis although the fares are outrageously high. From a financial point of view, SQ's 773ERs are nothing short of brilliant.....lots of F and J seats to sell at premium fares, a reasonable number of Y seats that can be sold at good fares and will not wreck yields, and lots and lots of room for very profitable cargo. I think that SQ knows exactly what they are doing.....

As for fuel and pollution, being that the 773ER is one of the most fuel effecient and enviornmentally friendly airliners around, I would not be very concerned.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

EK and their 380 to 434 (2-class/3-class) seater 77W agree... Smile
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 13):
EK and their 380 to 434 (2-class/3-class) seater 77W agree

EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 12):
As for fuel and pollution, being that the 773ER is one of the most fuel effecient and enviornmentally friendly airliners around, I wold not be very concerned.


It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

The only thing more stupid is American plan to build around 100GW of new coal powerplant capacity by 2020, because we don't have enough pollution right now

Who cares if we can run out of oil 20 years before we could go?
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

In a rather high denisty arrangement.....AF also has high density 773ERs for specific routes from France to the Caribbean and Indian Ocean destinations. The high density configuration is needed t compensate for fares, demand the yeilds on the route.

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):

It is not offiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal

I think that you are forgetting that SQ is in the business to make money.....take a look at F and J class fares as compared to Y class fares. Consider that the more seats that SQ offers to the Y class market, the lower yeilds will be in the long run. Those 50 premium seats will ensure that SQ makes a profit on each and every flight operated by the 773ER. Like it or not, that is the priority......airlines like SQ must make money on longhaul premium passengers and the 773ER with this type of configuration is the way that they can do it.
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 15):
I think that you are forgetting that SQ is in the business to make money.....

I know that they are the one of the most profitable airlines (I am not sure but I think BA is first, and AF-KLM second)

And Emirates makes a lot of money also
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):

EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

Er..isn't that what I said?  confused 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 16):
And Emirates makes a lot of money also



Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 16):
And Emirates makes a lot of money also

Take a look at the EK configuratiion for the A340-500 and there updated layouts for the 777 family (low density with 3 classes) and let me know what you think......not all that different from the SQ 773ER.

The SQ 773ERs are to be dedicated to longhaul routes with high premium demand, the high density EK 773s are used on shorter haul segments (lots of DXB to India services for example) where demand is high but yeilds are marginal. Big difference.
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:02 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Er..isn't that what I said? confused

Sorry I first thought you were mentioning their A380 with 430 seats. My bad
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 19):

Sorry I first thought you were mentioning their A380 with 430 seats. My bad

Got ya'...I could see how it was misinterpreted...all is good though.. Smile
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 2):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution

ANA only got 247 seats.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 19):

So they should fill it up with Y seats, which might not necessarily be filled, make a loss, and burn fuel flying half empty planes around?? They are flying brand new, more fuel efficient a/c. There's not a whole lot else they can do until someone invents truly environmentally friendly planes. But that's not up to SQ. If you don't like it, don't fly.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

Well, if you look at how much space (~50%) is occupied by 80% of the pax, there is nothing environmentally worse than competitors, except for the 3-4-3 777s. Now, the fuel waste is about the premium pax, who in this configuration probably need more fuel per capita than a 2-2-2 J cabin. Then, you can always try to convince the J pax to change their habits...  tapedshut 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

Not on a revenue basis it isn't. If 278 seats generates more revenue than a configuration with more economy and less premium, then it's irrelevant.

SIA knows exactly what they are doing.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
The only thing more stupid is American plan to build around 100GW of new coal powerplant capacity by 2020, because we don't have enough pollution right now

It should be noted that the new clean coal plants are some of the most environmentally friendly power generators available, save nuclear. Have you researched any of this?

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 23):
Well, if you look at how much space (~50%) is occupied by 80% of the pax

It should also be noted that a plane that is less densely populated is more likely to weigh less. If you compare the range and efficiency per mile of an EK 77W vs. an SQ 77W, I think that you would find that the SQ aircraft burns less fuel, ergo polluting less per mile than the more heavily burdened EK A/C.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:48 pm

Most widebody aircraft have 6- or 7-abreast in business class. Exceptions are 5-abreast on some 767s and those carriers who have those slanted seat layout. 1-2-1 is like a first-class layout. I would like to try out this layout but SQ probably won't be sending them in the direction of Japan though.

With the exception of EK & a few high-density 773s for AF, no carrier is within 50-seats of Boeing's three-class layout 365 seats. Most carriers have around 300-seats on the 773s with NH having only 247 seats as previously mentioned. NH's layout has the entire floor space with the exception of the aft section dedicated for premium-class pax. Most of their 744s are similarly configured too.
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:11 pm

Quoting UA777300ER (Reply 5):
Are their new C-class seats in a 1-2-1 configuration? I don't think I've ever seen this configuration for business class. Anybody else operates this config in biz?

You must not have done your homework. 1-2-1 config is not anything new. A lot of airlines are starting to use this config especially the one's using true lie-flat business class seats. Virgin AtlanticAir New Zealand are good examples.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:03 pm

When do these birds go to Barcelona and Milan?
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:29 pm

Cobra27, your argument would suggest that all aircraft, to maximize envinromental effiency, should be configured in an all Y-Class layout to accomadate as many passengers as possible. You and I know that that is simply not feasible. I'm all for the envinronment, but what would you have SQ do? This is simply the direction the airline passenger market is moving, and SQ, as a leading global carrier, is positioning itself at the forefront of this market, as other major airlines are doing (BA etc.) Where do you draw the line between being "environmentally friendly" (a subjective topic if you ask me) and sustaining yourself as a viable commercial enterprise?
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:35 pm

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 28):
When do these birds go to Barcelona and Milan?

Stating from December the 77W operates to CDG. I'd say services to MXP and BCN would begin early next year as more aircraft arrive.

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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:49 pm

Cobra27 is right, this SQ bird is like a 2007 Bentley. It is opulent, powerful, large, and seats only a small number of people.

Myself, I saw the SQ J seats and became scared. Nightmare... Are people really that horribly obese? Can they not sit in normal size chairs? Maybe there is an invasion of immense beings from another planet?

EK is to be applauded for its Co2 efficiency in their 77W. SQ does not deserve any applause at all. A simple taxation scheme to penalize this fuel wastage, and SQ will change their tune. Currently, SQ poops out Co2 worldwide on its customers without paying any penalty (coastline levies, typhoon repairs, etc). Perhaps this will change in time?
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 29):
Where do you draw the line between being "environmentally friendly" (a subjective topic if you ask me) and sustaining yourself as a viable commercial enterprise?

As Cobra factually points out.... SQ is burning 50% more fuel than EK per passenger on the 77W, both of which have modern premium cabins.

There is no limit to premium cabin demand. This arms race (soon to involve the A380) seems aimed at providing BBJ-like experience for the J passengers. Maybe there is a way to tax this trend before it can happen.

If we measure each passenger's share of floor space, we can extrapolate how much fuel was burned on his or her behalf. With Soooo much floorspace for these SQ J passengers, the amount of fuel is larger than normal, and each such passenger should pay some sort of tax as a pollution penalty, just as the US (for example!) does with gas guzzler automobiles like Bentleys.
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:05 pm

I think comfortwise is just perfect. F and C psgr would be very happy to get what they really pay for.

But, SIA 773ER will, for sure, burn the world's fuel more than its needs.

Anyhow, I don't think SIA care about this thing anyway...
Let's just blame it on yields.
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:09 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 32):
As Cobra factually points out.... SQ is burning 50% more fuel than EK per passenger on the 77W, both of which have modern premium cabins.

But the airlines making their profits with First and Business Class passenger, not with Economy Class Passenger.
SQ´s 77W will make much money with this layout, much more than EK with their high density layout on their 77Q.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 32):
There is no limit to premium cabin demand. This arms race (soon to involve the A380) seems aimed at providing BBJ-like experience for the J passengers. Maybe there is a way to tax this trend before it can happen.

SQ know this, and this is the reason why SQ goes this way. A great First Class, a nice Business Class for the pax, which are willing to pay much money for their ticket.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 5:57 pm

Supa7E7, while I defnitley see the merit and validity in the points you and Cobra27 make, I would hardly compare the premium cabins of EK's 77Ws and SQ's 77Ws. EK's product is obviously more dated than the other. EK's F Class on their A345s on the other hand is a different story. As is the case with that EK aircraft's envinronmental efficiency I'm sure.
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:13 pm

The fact that some airlines in the UK have 230-240 seats in their 757s does put it into perspective!
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 3):
What a stupid configuration. Only 275 seats on 365 3-class configuration. What a waste of fuel and more pollution on the environment. Why bother conserving, if a an airline like SIA consumes so much fuel just becuase of luxury.

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure
 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
EK puts 385 or even 430 passengers on their 777-300ER's.

Then go fly that EK cattle truck.

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 14):
It is efficient if it has more seats.
It is not effiecient if you have a maximum of only 278 seats. The fuel burn per seat is 50% over normal,

And who cares?

Go join your local green party. Fly SS 744, AY M11 or EK 773 2-class if you so much like these HD layouts.  Yeah sure
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 36):
Then go fly that EK cattle truck.

You have a point. And I someday I will.

But airtravel is about speed and long distance. Not much about luxury. If you don't like flying, you wouldn't like even if there was only 50 seats on a 777.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 37):
But airtravel is about speed and long distance. Not much about luxury.

Perhaps for most yes. But I will happily pay for good C/F even on many intra-asia routes if I can avoid Air Asia and the likes even for one hour.

For those who enjoy First or Business, the new SQ product looks amazing. And it's these people SQ is looking for.

For the back, might just as well put 3-4-3 with 31" and I doubt many apart from enthusiasts would notice. Y class is Y class and it sucks.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:17 pm

Cobra27, given the fact that most airlines earn their largest profits in premium cabins goes against what you say about how air travel is mostly about speed. It is about both for enough people to make airlines configure their aircraft as such. If there wasn't a market, airlines wouldn't do it, now would they? Keep in mind that the passengers that SQ attracts verus ones that SS attracts are vastly different. Also keep in mind the yields on EK's flights to India (where their high density B777s go) versus SQ's flights to CDG/ZRH (where the B77W will go). Everything isn't as simple as black and white.
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:22 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 37):
But airtravel is about speed and long distance. Not much about luxury. If you don't like flying, you wouldn't like even if there was only 50 seats on a 777.

I agree, but the airlines try to make as much money as possible and for SQ this layout seems to be best way to do this.
Other airlines will go a similar way as SQ or an other way with a high density layout like EK on much routes.
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:57 pm

OMG !

Only 275 seats instead of 365. For sure it means the aircraft is overweight and SQ is forced to do that in order to get full range !  Yeah sure
Where are our A380 naysayers to explain us how we can conclude the B773ER is overweight from the customer's LOPA ? -ridiculous-

Anyway, could a spy post some pics please ? I can't wait to see the cabin interior. I think it's the same as the A380 one, isn't it ?
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting SQ_EK_freak (Reply 39):
Also keep in mind the yields on EK's flights to India (where their high density B777s go)

Unfortunately these things do BKK also...

384 773 YC HD
386 77W YC HD
372 77W YC HD

and a lot of SIN/CGK/KUL rotations too.

BKK gets way too little F service from EK (418/419 DXB-BKK-SYD-AKL vv) where all the capacity is more or less sold on the kangaroo route.
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:36 pm

And why does everybody think that EK 777 with 10 abreast are cattle truck?

They are still way more confortable than all CRJ, ERJ's (exept e -series), ATR, DASH and all that stuff. If a business man who has to travel in best possible luxury with champaine and caviar, he will still have to make a connect flight if he iss not in the hub
 
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Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:52 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 43):
And why does everybody think that EK 777 with 10 abreast are cattle truck?

I was on a TG 777 with 10 abreast once, it took a while to notice it was 10 abreast (of course boarding after midnight probably didn't help!). having just been on TG A333 and A306 in the preceeding few days, I honestly couldn't tell the difference in seat width. But then my BMI isn't over 30 either!
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 43):
And why does everybody think that EK 777 with 10 abreast are cattle truck?

Try to imagine that your shoulders are more than 17 inches wide... If your going to spend most of your day/night somewhere, you wouldn't want to feel that the guy next to you is sitting on top of you. That's why many think that 10 abreast is so bad. But for those of us who doesn't have such wide shoulders, it's no problem, and we're probably thrilled to have so much legroom.

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 43):
They are still way more confortable than all CRJ, ERJ's (exept e -series), ATR, DASH and all that stuff.

But the CRJs aren't meant to fly routes that's four-twelve hours long...
 
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting UAL747-600 (Reply 7):
So these deliveries must be the 2nd and 3rd.

Can anyone confirm?

No. The second one probably, but the third one hasn't even made its maiden flight yet so there's only 9V-SWB ready to go.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Drove by PAE on Wed and they were both out on the flight line ready to go.

Impossible as 9V-SWA delivered at 4pm local on Tuesday and as far as I know, the third one isn't out yet.

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nitrohelper
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:32 am

Quoting Cobra27 (Reply 13):
The only thing more stupid is American plan to build around 100GW of new coal powerplant capacity by 2020, because we don't have enough pollution right now

Why slam Americans, How about the pollution from plants in China & India ? Are the "lakes" of oil caused by the Russian pipeline leaks not a concern to you? Maybe it's ok that the Russian Navy has dumped live reactors in the water to get rid of them. Have you seen the air quality in Mexico or Brazil? Indonesian land clearing fires don't have any pollution controls.
 
jacobin777
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:39 am

Quoting Brendows (Reply 45):

Try to imagine that your shoulders are more than 17 inches wide... If your going to spend most of your day/night somewhere, you wouldn't want to feel that the guy next to you is sitting on top of you. That's why many think that 10 abreast is so bad. But for those of us who doesn't have such wide shoulders, it's no problem, and we're probably thrilled to have so much legroom.

EK's 777's are packed to the brim....hence why EK can't get enough of them....It doesn't seem as if pax are complaining too much about the 17 inches wide seats-even on long distance flights such as DXB-JFK (and DXB-HAM-JFK)...

Personally, seat pitch is the most important aspect of a flight...give me 34' seat pitch with 17' width over 31' seat pitch with 18.5' width seats...


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ual747-600
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RE: SIA Take Delivery Of 2 777-300er's Tuesday 11-28

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 46):
Impossible as 9V-SWA delivered at 4pm local on Tuesday and as far as I know, the third one isn't out yet.

I think the picture below dated 11/17 shows 9V-SWB and 9V-SWC. Note the lack of forward placed sat antenae on both frames as compared to 9V-SWA.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=280203988&size=o

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