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Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:00 am

My wife and me visited Hagenbecks Tierpark (Hamburg's beautiful zoo) this afternoon. It is located not far from the airport, and we could see quite some aircraft passing the zoo right after taking off from rwy 05.

I was just taking pictures of some Giraffes, when quite to my surprise a 747 passed right over us. Usually, the largest a/c you see taking off from HAM in the afternoon is Emirates A330.

I quickly chased her with my camera, and now upon reviewing the pics, I wonder what airline this is.

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My first guess was Iran Air, as the tail design is resembling their livery. But it seems slightly different, compared to this:

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Could it be their recently acquired 747, with a slightly modified livery?

Sorry for the low quality, but I was prepared for a different sort of birds at that time...  Wink
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting ZakHH (Thread starter):
My first guess was Iran Air

This is indeed Iran Air.


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Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting ZakHH (Thread starter):
My first guess was Iran Air

You can see "Iran Air" written on the side of the plane in the first shot!  silly 

I would say definitely Iran Air.
 
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Noelg (Reply 2):
You can see "Iran Air" written on the side of the plane in the first shot!

I was not 100% sure as I thought that the space covered by the tree branch would be a bit too big for just a single "a". Plus, I have another shot that creates an impression as if there were 2 more letters in the airline name. After playing a bit with Photoshop, both turned out to be optical illusions, though.

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 1):
This is indeed Iran Air.

When searching the database for Iran Air photos, I seem to have missed these 2 pics. With them, things become pretty obvious indeed...  ashamed 

Thanks, anyway!  Smile
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:05 am

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 3):
When searching the database for Iran Air photos

Well, I did the seach through the registration as I remembered it, but I also just did a quick search for Iran Air B747-200 and both photos showed up.

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 3):
Thanks, anyway!

You're welcome!  Smile
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:14 am

It is an ex-LH plane.
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting A300 (Reply 5):
It is an ex-LH plane.

Certainly looks like it - which could explain why it was at HAM. Did it come out of LH Technik or was it on a regular run?

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:15 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):

According to the link posted above it is ex. LH then ex. Air Universal.

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:24 am

And yet another 3rd hand... when will we see something new for Iran Air? Never!
Their nuclear ain't helping much either... though even before that the Americans have been going at it.
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting A300 (Reply 5):
It is an ex-LH plane.

Here are two pictures to illustrate the link I provided above.


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Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Did it come out of LH Technik or was it on a regular run?

Guess it was IR722, thus a regular run. Not only did I fail to search the database, I also did not look into the HAM flight schedule... d'oh!

Thank god I did it before asking why I was seeing 2 Emirates a/c leaving HAM within just 30 minutes...  Wink
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting ZakHH (Thread starter):
after taking off from rwy 05

If you have been at Hagenbecks Tierpark seeing the Aircraft it must have been taking off from Runway 23 and was climbing out about "Niendorf".
From the same position you can see aircrafts landing on Runway5! Aircrafts taking off on Runway 23 are climbing out over Langenhorn - the opposite direction, seen from Hagenbecks
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:00 am

Yes definitely IR b.747-200 that i spotted in THR 2 weeks ago.
Happy to see it in Europe
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:02 pm

How would I go about buying a ticket to fly Iran Air. They have flights from Europe? Is it as easy as going on Expedia? Or IranAir.com?
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:19 pm

It is indeed ex LH. The aircraft is the former DABYX "Koln" and one of the last to be retired.

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:28 pm

This aircraft is not owned but leased from Jordan.
 
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:51 pm

Quoting Dairy (Reply 11):
If you have been at Hagenbecks Tierpark seeing the Aircraft it must have been taking off from Runway 23 and was climbing out about "Niendorf".

Damn it, this is starting to get embarrassing. Did I feed my brain to the elephants yesterday?  Wink

Of course you are right. Last times I was there, aircrafts were approaching over Hagenbecks, thus landing on rwy05. But if they take off in that direction (like they did yesterday), it's rwy23 of course.

Now I hope that it was at least really my wife I was with yesterday. If I am to be corrected about that detail, too...  crazy 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:57 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 16):
Now I hope that it was at least really my wife I was with yesterday.

 rotfl 

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 16):
If I am to be corrected about that detail, too...

That may turn out to be a rather hot moment.....  Wink

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:50 pm

Great that you all found out what it is.
Now, am I the only one here who is wondering what the hell it was doing in Germany???  Big grin

Maintanance? Come on, those Iranians seem to know a solution for everything. They can do that theirselfs...

VIP flight (Not that I think there are many Iranian VIPs but someone mentionend Jordan!) ?
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:52 pm

I've seen the a/c at the terminal right next to a Emirates A330, didn't look like it was here for maintenance reasons.
I rushed home to get my camera, but all I saw when I came back was this:

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:57 pm

Quoting Sralfalo (Reply 19):
btw, this was my first post!

Welcome aboard, and enjoy your flight with A.net Airlines !

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Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 6):
Did it come out of LH Technik or was it on a regular run?

Definnetly a regular run. The Hamburg runs seam to be a good business for IR, even normaly they operate them with A300-600R or A31-300. Few years ago they used the 747SP for the HAM flights...
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:32 pm

Another old B742! They just keep buyýng them and operatýng them untýl they dýe. THR ýs really lookýng lýke a 747 classýc graveyard as observed from the metro lýne 5 last week.
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:22 pm

Yes I mentioned Jordan, IR does not own the aircraft it has been leasing it for the past year from Jordan Aviation or Universal? I think. Also heard that cockpit crew are Jordanian.
 
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:47 pm

I saw this aircraft on the flightline at Mehrabad (Tehran's old, city centre airport) in September, still in full Air Universal livery. I don't know whether it had already started IR flights at that point. There was an old IR 747-100 and an SP parked either side and they were being readied for their next flights, so perhaps this one was already in service as well. Nice to see it in something closer to real IR livery. The Homa bird looks quite good in a blue circle. Reminds me of this:

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Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 13):
How would I go about buying a ticket to fly Iran Air. They have flights from Europe? Is it as easy as going on Expedia?

Iranair fly all over Europe with a combination of 747s and A310s - off the top of my head, London, Paris, Frankfurt, Cologne, Stockholm, Vienna, Milan, Geneva, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Madrid, Athens etc. In Asia you'll find them in Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing, Mumbai, Karachi and some of the eastern ex Soviet republics as well (Baku, Tashkent etc). And of course they cover the whole Middle East. Booking is relatively easy but not necessarily on sites like lastminute, expedia, because of US sanctions against Iran (expedia claim Tehran doesn't exist - like Havana). But if you call the airline, I'm sure you'll get a good fare and good personal service.

Read this for more info: http://www.airliners.net/articles/read.main?id=88
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:14 am

Quoting ZakHH (Thread starter):
the largest a/c you see taking off from HAM in the afternoon is Emirates A330.

They also use the 773 for they DXB-HAM-JFK flights according to Aero International!
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 24):
Booking is relatively easy but not necessarily on sites like lastminute, expedia, because of US sanctions against Iran (expedia claim Tehran doesn't exist - like Havana). But if you call the airline, I'm sure you'll get a good fare and good personal service.

Give opodo a try; http://www.opodo.co.uk/

The fares on Iran Air are fairly high, but once you get there the flights are dirt cheap, and on some rare old birds. Iran Air internal flights can also be booked through Opodo, but also check Amadeus as they list a few other airlines which operate other aircraft types, such as Tu154, 707 etc...

Cedarjet - Did you take any internals in Iran? Regarding the above, it's difficult to book on some of the other airlines, I wondered if you had any tips? I'll be flying out from LHR on the 2nd Jan, so the Saha 707 is top of my list.

Worth pointing out that there are a few organised tours to Iran, operated by AirEvents; http://www.airevents.de/ I was hoping to take one of these, but the timings just didn't tie in with my available dates.

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 25):
They also use the 773 for they DXB-HAM-JFK flights according to Aero International!

That's right !



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Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 26):
Cedarjet - Did you take any internals in Iran? Regarding the above, it's difficult to book on some of the other airlines, I wondered if you had any tips? I'll be flying out from LHR on the 2nd Jan, so the Saha 707 is top of my list.

Internal flights? Cor, not 'alf. Two Saha 707s (and you will weep with joy when you see the interior), two Iran Air Tours Tu154s and an Iranair Fokker 100. Also, I flew into Tehran (from DXB) on a gorgeous Iran Aseman 727 and out again on a Mahan Tu204. If you want help with the Saha 707 (harder to book than Eram, IR, Caspian et al), try the Pars Tourist Agency before you travel, and they'll set it all up for you. http://www.key2persia.com, http://www.persien-tourismus.de, http://www.perse-voyage.com or email them on marketing@key2persia.com. They are spectacularly helpful and friendly, and all speak great English. Dude, you'll have the best time ever. I'm very envious, even though I'm planning to go back to Iran in 2007 anyway. If you'd like more info from my trip, dot.com me through my personal profile. Hope all's well, peace bro.
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:11 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 28):
Dude, you'll have the best time ever. I'm very envious, even though I'm planning to go back to Iran in 2007 anyway. If you'd like more info from my trip, dot.com me through my personal profile. Hope all's well, peace bro.


Hi there, yeap all is well, hope it is with you too Smile

Thanks for that info, I had previously been given a link, but the fee they were charging to arrange things seemed a little high, $200 plus the cost of flights etc... I will contact these guys you recommended, thanks for the links, obviously the English speaking will be of a great benefit to me, as I'm not exactly fluent in Iranian! SAHA 707 is priority, but I would also like to try the Iran Air Tours 154, possibly the Caspian 154 and definitely a 727, I just have to fly on one of those! yes 

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting Desediez (Reply 21):
Definnetly a regular run. The Hamburg runs seam to be a good business for IR, even normaly they operate them with A300-600R or A31-300. Few years ago they used the 747SP for the HAM flights...

AFAIK, last year IR flew THR-HAM during the summer with 747s on certain days. Don't recall which though.

I wonder why the route is such a success. I've been away from HAM for quite some time, so I'm not sure if Hamburg has a big Iranian community which gives IR the O&D traffic they need to make THR-HAM-THR so successful.

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 25):
They also use the 773 for they DXB-HAM-JFK flights according to Aero International!

Not also, they only use the 77W on DXB-HAM-JFK (barring any substitutions of course).  Wink
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:37 am

Indeed the Iranian community in Hamburg ist the biggest in Germany with around 15.000 people living here. Persians are a part of Hamburg history for 200 years, the Imam Ali mosque was the only Shiism one in Europe when it opened in the 1960s.
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 27):
Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 25):
They also use the 773 for they DXB-HAM-JFK flights according to Aero International!

That's right !

It seems like a population of 15,000 would be insufficient to warrant a route. Is the 77W incapable of making the jaunt from DXB to JFK without a tech stop? It seems to me it would be able to even without major weight restrictions, but what do I know?
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 32):
It seems like a population of 15,000 would be insufficient to warrant a route.

You probably misunderstood. It's the big Iranian community in Hamburg which likely makes THR-HAM highly profitable. The Iranian community was never discussed in relation to EK's DXB-HAM-JFK route. EK was only mentioned because of the 77W being the second biggest aircraft to regularly serve HAM, next to IR occasionally sending a 747 on their scheduled flights to HAM.
 
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Sralfalo (Reply 31):
the Iranian community in Hamburg is the biggest in Germany with around 15.000 people living here.

This has to be a typo.

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 32):
It seems like a population of 15,000 would be insufficient to warrant a route.

I think you'd need more like 150,000 Iranians to warrant 747s. An Iranair jumbo carries 300 people a time, that's only 50 flights and you've carried every single one of them to Mehrabad and back. And for every Iranian expat who visits the old country every few years, there's another who wouldn't think of going back there even on a visit unless the Shah comes back from beyond the grave. So we have to be looking at 150,000, right?
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RE: Is This Iran Air's "new" 747?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:49 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 34):
This has to be a typo.

It's not. Besides, the 747 doesn't fly to HAM all the time. There's just enough O&D (it's not just VFR passengers but it can be also tourist and business PAX) to justify sending a 747 on certain occasions. Most of the time, IR flies AB6s and A313s into HAM anyway.

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