Dtw757
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Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:19 am

I was in Chicago this past weekend and I decided to check out what became of Meigs Field. For people who are wondering about it I posted some photos here. I have to tell you that for me it made me very sad going there.

My last visit to Meigs Airport was in March 2002 as the destination for my long cross country instrument flight for my instrument rating. I was very lucky to have flown in there and I can't believe that I will never have the opportunity again. It was a great flight and I wish I had taken more pictures there at the time.

I remember on landing being over the water all the way to the threshold, it was awesome. I also remember in the terminal there was a large picture hanging on the wall of a United 727-100 landing at Meigs. It is the 727 which is now located in the Museum Of Science And Industry.

Today, there is very little mention on the signs for the new park or in the terminal about the airport. The entire field is grass with a few paved trails that circle the former airport. There was a sign about the history of the island and it mentioned that an airport was there that closed in 2003. It is almost like they want to wipe it from the history books, what a shame.

Here is the terminal as it was seen from the tarmac
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View entering the terminal from the former airside
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View from in the terminal looking out toward the field
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View of the control tower
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:30 am

Sad to see Meigs Field in that state.  Sad It was nice to see those aircraft come into land while one was sitting outside the Adler Planetarium.

I remember taking a school trip to Meigs when I was in fifth grade. It was one of the best trips ever.  biggrin  But that was long time ago.  wink  The building looks still the same as I remember.

Thanks for the photos.

Wonder if Meigs would have had the same fate if it had belonged to the state or if it was in private hands.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:33 am

So why did Mayor Daley close Meigs?

Oh yeah....

Because he could.

Sure it was a blatant, chickenshit [ab]use of power, where the stated reason for the demolition versus the REAL reason for it couldn't be further apart. I agree and sympathize with your negative views. But let's look at reality.

Evidently no one could or really cared enough [about Meigs] to stop him.

As far as he goes, the man is God and invincible.

And the voters of that city who keep reelecting him apparently agree.

I know that Meigs is a very caustic issue for many of you: he won and you lost and there isn't sh*t you can do about it.

But sometimes that's just how it goes.

Oh well.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:36 am

Does anyone know just who paid the fines that were levied on this? Or if they were?
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:51 am

"As far as he goes, the man is God and invincible."

Just call him Hizzoner

"And the voters of that city who keep reelecting him apparently agree."

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
I know that Meigs is a very caustic issue for many of you: he won and you lost and there isn't sh*t you can do about it.

But sometimes that's just how it goes.

Oh well.

Caustic is not the same as painful. Painful was watching the destruction of the airfield on the news. Caustic is how I would describe your comments.

We are a nation of laws, not men. When men of leadership ignore those laws for their own gain, they have no right to expect to be protected by those laws, nor a moral basis for expecting others to obey them. What happens when men of power ignore the laws they've sworn to uphold? Gangsters rise, and personal rights, and individual freedoms are the cost. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but it certainly does me. Meigs was about much more than the loss of a cherished airport.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:11 pm

What's so awesome about this Meigs place again?
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
What's so awesome about this Meigs place again?

There must be something to it. The original version of Flight Simulator (the video game) defaulted to the airstrip. Of all the places in the world, they chose Meigs...
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:11 pm

Daly will not be the mayor forever. Who knows, the next mayor might reopen the field.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:40 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):
Northerly Island

Hell, you know they used to make airports out of flat grass like that....
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:47 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 4):

The park doesn't even look good. Personally, it's a sore eye to the downtown.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:48 pm

When I used to live in the Chicago area, I used to love going to meigs and sitting in the parking lot of the planetarium and watching planes come and go for hours. It makes me very sad when I look at those pictures.
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:22 pm

Sad to see the airport in this condition.  airplane 
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:24 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
What's so awesome about this Meigs place again?

Many private pilots as well as corporate aircraft used Meigs for its convenient location adjacent to downtown Chicago.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
Evidently no one could or really cared enough [about Meigs] to stop him.

That isn't the case, especially when the airport was seized and the runway was destroyed in the middle of the night with no notice to the aviation community. Had there been prior notice that the closing was imminant, there would have been an uproar.
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:40 pm

I have a picture over my desk of Meigs with Soldier Field and the Chicago skyline in the background.

During the Bears/Miami game this year, it was the first time I saw "Northerly Island" after the destruction Meigs. I flew into Meigs a few times with my dad's flying service (which was based out of Howell Airport on the southside in the 1970's...now it's a friggin Best Buy).

Daley pissed me off so much with this bonehead decision....
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
What's so awesome about this Meigs place again?

Meigs was everyone's first introduction to Flight Simulator, from the very original on the Amstrad (I have it Big grin) all the way to 2000. I learnt to 'fly' (in FS) from Meigs, and I know and remember it because of that. I'm not devastated or in tears to see it closed, in fact I never knew it had closed (it would explain why the game now defaults to Seattle Tacoma), but I had hoped to one day fly in/out of there to see how close the FS version was to the real thing.
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:01 am

Daley should be ousted for that little stunt, and forced to pay the millions of dollars to reopen the field. Destroying an airport that recieves FAA money should be a felony. AOPA is foaming at the mouth to have this guy jailed or executed, and I agree with them.

The land looks like a landfill now, a complete eyesore to the city. Unfortunately more and more airports dissapear in this country.

Jacksonville also has a crooked mayor who killed the prospects for a Navy base, so I know how it is to have a too-powerful idiot as a mayor.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:08 am

I took this shot of Meigs last December after the big snowstorm, while on a CRJ enroute to FWA.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 16):
The land looks like a landfill now, a complete eyesore to the city.

It was very depressing walking around there and it wasn't clean. The walkway was so full of goose crap that you had to watch where you stepped if you didn't want it on your shoes.

I understand the need to preserve and create parks for all of the public to enjoy, but this move was not right. Mayor Daley knew there would be opposition to the closing plan so he moved in the middle of the night much like a dictator does.

There is a great article on Meigs at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:36 am

Its good to see that at least the Bonehead Mayor didnt allow the terminal building to be torn down as well....
I too wish that they would re work and re build the airport back to its former condition and maybe add a few hundred feet on the south end of the runway...It was such a neat and historical airport....
Its too bad that it wasnt able to be saved on a historical basis thereby keeping it active...
I just wonder how many drug dealers and crack wh**es use the park now that the planes dont fly??? I wonder if Mayor and Mrs. Daley enjoy seeing Buckwheat Bertha out trolling around for a date???

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:37 am

Daley should be ousted for that little stunt, and forced to pay the millions of dollars to reopen the field.

He should but won't and should but won't.

Mayor Daley knew there would be opposition to the closing plan so he moved in the middle of the night much like a dictator does.

That may be. But no one ever accused him of being an idiot. He knew exactly what he was doing. And because of who he is and his connections, he did and will continue to get away with it unscathed, consequence free.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 8):
Daly will not be the mayor forever. Who knows, the next mayor might reopen the field.

True, Mayor Daley won't be there forever, but what is left to reopen? The strip is gone. There's just about no way it'll ever be rebuilt.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:36 am

What a shame that Meigs was closed,

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to go to Chicago; however, I've flown to that airport in my FS a million times (as it was the default airport in the 2000 version) and I sure love it.

Those are places that musn't be touched as they are icons of aviation.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting DTW757 (Thread starter):
large picture hanging on the wall of a United 727-100 landing at Meigs.

- How did they get a 727 down and stopped on a 3700 foot runway? And I didn't think the strip was thick enough for that weight?

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
What's so awesome about this Meigs place again?

- For people like me with strong ties to Chicago, it has a very special meaning. I have a large photo of the airport taken from the air framed in my living room.

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 8):
Daly will not be the mayor forever.

- Amen to that, but maybe we shouldn't mix politics with aviation, they usually don't go together too well.

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 13):
That isn't the case, especially when the airport was seized and the runway was destroyed in the middle of the night with no notice to the aviation community. Had there been prior notice that the closing was imminant, there would have been an uproar

- Didn't Daley start the demolition of the runway before all the planes were removed from the field? I think I remember seeing photographs of planes sitting on the taxiways with heavy machinery tearing up the runway.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 19):
Its good to see that at least the Bonehead Mayor didnt allow the terminal building to be torn down as well....

- Don't give the "Bonehead" any ideas

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:05 am

Sorry for my ignorance, but what happened to meigs field?
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 23):
How did they get a 727 down and stopped on a 3700 foot runway?

Come in slow, land right at the end, hit the brakes, and whip 'er into reverse before you went off the other end. I think there is a video of it at the Museum of Science and Industry at the 727 exhibit. But it's been a while since I've been there, so I don't remember seeing it.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 25):
Sorry for my ignorance, but what happened to meigs field

The Chicago Mayor, somebody Daley, had the runway destroyed one night because of "terrorism" concerns. IIRC, that was the reason the Mayor's office originally gave for the destruction.

[Edited 2006-11-27 19:10:59]
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:12 am

It was also well-known as the default takeoff field in many early versions of the popular Microsoft Flight Simulator software program


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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:19 am

Quoting Ksonderling (Reply 27):
It was also well-known as the default takeoff field in many early versions of the popular Microsoft Flight Simulator software program

Yes thats how ive heard of it! looked a great place to fly into on the game, can only imagine what is was like in real life..
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:21 am

A destroyed land-area I would call (former) Meigs in these days. Let's hope that they build something there some day... like an airfield.  Smile
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 23):
How did they get a 727 down and stopped on a 3700 foot runway? And I didn't think the strip was thick enough for that weight?

The photo I saw on the wall was the 727 touching down at the threshold if I remember it correctly. They landed there, disassembled the airplane and moved it to the museum. Here are some photos of the aircraft for those not familiar.


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Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 23):
Didn't Daley start the demolition of the runway before all the planes were removed from the field? I think I remember seeing photographs of planes sitting on the taxiways with heavy machinery tearing up the runway.

Yes, as stated it was in the middle of the night with no notice. The aircraft that were stranded there were forced to take off on the taxiway.
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:50 am

Is Meigs open to the public? Are you allowed to just walk around on what used to be the runways, and stroll in the terminal?

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 25):
I think there is a video of it at the Museum of Science and Industry at the 727 exhibit.

IIRC, The video is of how they got the 727 in the museum, not of its final landing.


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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 31):
Is Meigs open to the public? Are you allowed to just walk around on what used to be the runways, and stroll in the terminal?

Yes it is now open to the public. That was the idea of behind closing the airport, to create a park for all the public to enjoy. For me, there was very little enjoyment walking around there but perhaps to someone else it might bring them great pleasure.
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:03 am

There is really no question what he did was wrong (and he knew it), and of course he knew he'd have opposition ....that's exactly why a Mayor of one the largest US cities had to do it in secret overnight ... it's an appalling abuse of power.

It's almost laughable that somebody in that position had to arrange a covert operation to do such a thing....it's truly unbelievable.

Oh, and doesn't the new park look wonderful  Yeah sure


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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:20 am

There is really no question what he did was wrong (and he knew it), and of course he knew he'd have opposition ....that's exactly why a Mayor of one the largest US cities had to do it in secret overnight ... it's an appalling abuse of power.

It's almost laughable that somebody in that position had to arrange a covert operation to do such a thing....it's truly unbelievable


Agreed. But he still GOT AWAY WITH IT and there is NOTHING YOU can do about it.
 
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 34):
Agreed. But he still GOT AWAY WITH IT and there is NOTHING YOU can do about it.

What is your point?

Actually there is quite a lot the general public and myself can do about it. The problem is that most of Chicago chooses to think he's great, even though his office is more corrupt than ever.

That's a democracy.

It doesn't mean those that won't and didn't vote for the guy, can't continue to complain. That's also a democracy  Wink



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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting DTW757 (Reply 32):
That was the idea of behind closing the airport, to create a park for all the public to enjoy.

Actually there was talk of casinos and hotels. So much for that happening... Anyone for an (in)convenient emergency landing on "the grass strip"?
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:00 am

"The Chicago Mayor...had the runway destroyed one night because of "terrorism" concerns. IIRC, that was the reason the Mayor's office originally gave for the destruction."

Yep, just like there was WMDs in Iraq.  Wink


"Actually there is quite a lot the general public and myself can do about it. The problem is that most of Chicago chooses to think he's great..."

Most Chicagoans could care less about a little airport on the lake as long as garbage is picked up on time and potholes are filled. After all, politics is almost always local. It's only here that it matters. I too wished it hadn't closed but it's over and time to move on.


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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 37):
Most Chicagoans could care less about a little airport on the lake as long as garbage is picked up on time and potholes are filled. After all, politics is almost always local. It's only here that it matters. I too wished it hadn't closed but it's over and time to move on.

Oh, it's about much more than a little airport. His whole office is full of corruption, with some serving sentences I believe. Sure it's only Chicago that it matters - he's Mayor of the City - that's local and only local.

His day will come  Wink

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Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:29 am

"His day will come"

Yeah, when he dies in office just like his old man.  Wink




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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:50 am

My pic of Meigs taken from the Sears Tower when I was there in June for my sons graduation from law school.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:08 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 23):
How did they get a 727 down and stopped on a 3700 foot runway?

Landed my FS 737 there with no problems.....full flaps, carrier-type touchdown, immediate full reverse thrust, and crammed brakes.....the fun part was taking off  wink 

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
Because he could.

Sure it was a blatant, chickenshit [ab]use of power, where the stated reason for the demolition versus the REAL reason for it couldn't be further apart. I agree and sympathize with your negative views. But let's look at reality.

Evidently no one could or really cared enough [about Meigs] to stop him.

As far as he goes, the man is God and invincible.

And the voters of that city who keep reelecting him apparently agree.

I know that Meigs is a very caustic issue for many of you: he won and you lost and there isn't sh*t you can do about it.



Quoting Milesrich (Reply 8):
Daly will not be the mayor forever. Who knows, the next mayor might reopen the field.

Looks like I'm going to be the Daley defender...

I dont agree with what happened at Meigs Field. It was an abuse of power, and in an average city the mayor would easily be ousted. But this is Chicago, and as long as Daley continues to seek reelection, I cant see him leaving office anytime soon.

Yes his office is full of corruption. It's been established time after time. But in this city, and in a larger sense the entire state, a certain amount of corruption is generally accepted; as long as things get done. And thats exactly what Mayor Daley has done, he has improved and transformed the city overall.

When Daley took over in 1989, Chicago was rapidly decaying into another urban rust belt mess. But Daley has presided over population growth, a major building and construction boom, improvement in Chicago Public Schools dropout rate, modernizing the CTA, a resurgence in tourism, a major parks overhall and beautification, the building of millenium park, initiating ORD expansion, the expansion of McCormick Place, actively seeking to host the 2016 summer olympics, and luring companies like Boeing and UA to move downtown.

All of that for me is reason enough to vote for him. To be honest, I could care less for what minor nepotism occurs in city hall, Im happy that Daley has improved Chicago immensely. Yes, Meigs Field was a tragedy; but overall I, like most of Chicagoans, have a favorable view of Mayor Daley.
 
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 16):
Unfortunately more and more airports dissapear in this country.

I know, one just disappeared by me after being open for about 80 years or so.

Didn't Mayor Daley use the 9/11 excuse to try to get Meigs closed, saying it was too close to dsowntown and the tall buildings??
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:03 am

I'm sorry, but I just can't let this go:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 42):
Looks like I'm going to be the Daley defender...

Words fail me. I'll just say  banghead  biting  vomit 

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 42):
But this is Chicago, and as long as Daley continues to seek reelection, I cant see him leaving office anytime soon.

The one part of your post I can agree with, if only because the rest of it indicates that it's people like you who make such a situation possible.

"Duh Mare" Daley is a criminal. In a nation of laws, he would be spending years (if not his whole life) in a federal penitentiary. To keep things aviation-related, just for the CGX situation alone he should have been charged with criminal endangerment for bulldozing an active runway without even notifying the relevant authorities so they could let pilots know not to land there. There might also be fraud charges relating to his acceptance of federal aviation money for the airport and using that money to bulldoze it. If he were imprisoned on those charges, he might be out of the way long enough to get the felony indictments for his massive, endemic corruption, graft, vote rigging, intimidation, etc. His blatant disregard for any of his citizens' constitutional rights and willingness to pass utterly absurd laws is basically just icing on the cake.

Unfortunately, none of that will come to pass, because:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 42):
But Daley has presided over blah blah blah...I could care less...

It's all about the bread and circuses. It's worse in Chicago than in most other places, but the disease of apathy and disregard towards criminal despotism, as long as you get what you personally care about, is spreading. Daley remains in office, and will probably die in office, precisely because so few people are willing to stand up against wrong as long as they personally are comfortable and unaffected.

With all due respect, and setting aside the specific issue of Meigs for a moment, what are your values, and do you really hold them so lightly that you would happily sell them for a new park and another downtown corporate HQ?
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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:11 am

Here is my shot of it, taken about 3 weeks ago, for any interested:

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l244/Longhornmaniac8/DSC00560.jpg

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:17 am

what are your values, and do you really hold them so lightly that you would happily sell them for a new park and another downtown corporate HQ?

I agree with you 200%. Unfortunately, the disease of what you describe is a lot more widespread than maybe even you realize: it's that same shortsighted, morally bankrupt apathy that encourages so many people to seek compensatory "damages" against a [deep pocketed] corporation over what is basically bullshit: They know that said corporation will almost always pay out to settle because "it would be cheaper than going to trial". No longer do they see these lawsuits for what they are: legalized shakedowns.

They figure what's the cheapest way to make it go away, not realizing or not caring that by taking the low road, they ultimately encourage more of that extortion. But it's that "here and now" shortsightedness that makes these bean counters so blind.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 44):
With all due respect, and setting aside the specific issue of Meigs for a moment, what are your values, and do you really hold them so lightly that you would happily sell them for a new park and another downtown corporate HQ?

Perfect question ...and we know the answer!

...and of course, no other Mayor would have changed Chicago like Daley did .. ever think another Mayor might had done as well, or better, but do it without the corruption that even people who vote for him admit?

It's a sad state of affairs when people say if you make my city better, it's OK however you get there.


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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:55 am

"Looks like I'm going to be the Daley defender..."

Nothing wrong with that.

"...Daley took over in 1989, Chicago was rapidly decaying into another urban rust belt mess. But Daley has presided over population growth, a major building and construction boom, improvement in Chicago Public Schools dropout rate, modernizing the CTA, a resurgence in tourism, a major parks overhall and beautification, the building of millenium park, initiating ORD expansion, the expansion of McCormick Place, actively seeking to host the 2016 summer olympics"

Amen. Don't forget the Bears staying in the city, notwithstanding that horrendous spaceship on top of Soldier Field.

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RE: Meigs Field Current Photos

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 44):
With all due respect, and setting aside the specific issue of Meigs for a moment, what are your values, and do you really hold them so lightly that you would happily sell them for a new park and another downtown corporate HQ?

I do value democracy and justice. Do not feel that because I characterize Daley as a good mayor I do not believe in a democratic society and people being brought to justice. That said, I feel that to a certain extent, corruption is inevitable, especially in Illinois where the entire political system is entrenched in it. Daley's corruption so far in my opinion has been relatively minor, unlike that of someone such as Betty Loren-Maltese who laundered millions of dollars from the people of Cicero.

However, the people of Chicago come election time will judge for themselves who they want in office, and I like many other Chicagoans will vote for Daley. In a democratic society and process, Chicagoans will reelect Daley. It is not because they do not know of the corruption that occurs, it is because they choose to see the progress that has occurred with him in office. You may feel that he belongs in jail, but most Chicagoans would like to see him remain in city hall. And that is Democracy for you.

Earlier this year, Mayor Daley was chosen as one of the top 5 US mayors by Time Magazine. His record building a better Chicago speaks for this. He has done far too much to improve the city, only to be characterized on this board as a ruthless dictator after one incident. It's unfortunate that Meigs is closed, but Daley has done alot for Chicago, and he should be judged fairly and evenly.

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