triley1057
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Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:50 am

Don't know if this is true or not, but over in the EK section at Flyertalk.com there are a few posts stating that EK will start YYZ and IAH service in 2007. According to the posts, EK will begin YYZ service on October 28, 2007 and IAH will start on Dec 1, 2007 3 times weekly but will go to daily in February 2008. Is there anyone that can possibly confirm this here? The posts seem to be from EK employees.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:05 pm

I am sick from these rumors, i will not believe until i see a press release from Emirates

They should add to their slogan Emirates Keep Discovering Rumors!!
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:20 pm

Quoting Triley1057 (Thread starter):
Don't know if this is true or not, but over in the EK section at Flyertalk.com there are a few posts stating that EK will start YYZ and IAH service in 2007. According to the posts, EK will begin YYZ service on October 28, 2007 and IAH will start on Dec 1, 2007 3 times weekly but will go to daily in February 2008. Is there anyone that can possibly confirm this here? The posts seem to be from EK employees.

There are only 3x/weekly slots left from The Emirates to Canada (EY has the other three)..

EK should have gone with the 6 slots available...but they didn't (it was "daily or forget it"..and they got their answer).....

They will have to renegotiate if they want to serve Canada more than 3x/weekly.

IAH sounds interesting...possible...

ORD/LAX/SFO are three places also..but I see IAH before SFO..
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:48 am

This is what is mentioned on that website by a member who is also a member on Airliners.net

New destinations :

-GRU will be 6x weekly 772LR

-IAH will initially be 3x weekly and move upto daily Feb 08

-VCE is correct

-NCL is correct with A 332 daily

-YYZ is not 100% confirmed...mentioned daily with B 773ER from Oct 28th 07


As for frequencies :

-PEK will go double-daily in 2007

-PVG will go double-daily in Feb 08

-BEY goes double-daily end of Mar 07

-DAC goes double-daily end of Mar 07

-MNL goes double-daily end of Mar 07

-KWI gets two more weekly flights on EK853/854 end of Mar 07

-DAM goes 9x weekly beginning of May 07

-BAH goes triple-daily in Feb 2008

-SAH goes 6x weekly in Feb 08


As for aircraft changes on routes :

-JFK - EK201/202 will upgrade to B777-300ER low density

-JFK - EK205/206 will move to A340-500 (but this doesnt sound logical)

-LHR - EK007/008 will operate 4x week with A340-500

-BHX - EK039/040 will upgrade to B777-300ER high density

-ATH - will upgrade to B777-200ER low density

-LCA/MLA - will upgrade to B777-200 but switch to high density

-CMN - will upgrade to A340-300

-ICN - will upgrade to B777-300ER low density

-HBE will upgrade to A330-200 high density (A6-EKL the lone A310 is being phased out)

-CMB/MLE flights will upgrade to B777-200 high density

-CGK nonstop flights upgraded to B777-300ER high density
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:04 am

Hi Behramjee.. Smile

Got a few questions...

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
-YYZ is not 100% confirmed...mentioned daily with B 773ER from Oct 28th 07

Given the situation of the bilaterals right now, does EK have a shot at getting the 3 open slots left, or is EY going to try to get those too (I'm under the assumption they are going on the current bilaterals, and nothing new has come out)...

If they are going with the 6x/weekly bilaterals, I could see EY fighting hard for the other 3 frequencies...

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
-LHR - EK007/008 will operate 4x week with A340-500

Will the other 3x/weekly flights remain with the A332?

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):

-JFK - EK205/206 will move to A340-500 (but this doesnt sound logical)

Maybe the A345 is the optimal value for both routes combined (i.e. it could be DXB-HAM is strong, but HAM-JFK a little bit weaker)....

Thanks..

Regards..
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:08 am

Yeah for real, why do people give so much talk to RUMORS? Some border on the ridiculous at times. I guess idle minds need something to do. For me, I'm awaiting that long rumored announcement that B6 is buying 50 A380's and 50 A350XXXWB's.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Given the situation of the bilaterals right now, does EK have a shot at getting the 3 open slots left, or is EY going to try to get those too (I'm under the assumption they are going on the current bilaterals, and nothing new has come out)...

If they are going with the 6x/weekly bilaterals, I could see EY fighting hard for the other 3 frequencies...

Canada is looking to sign OPEN SKIES agreements with many nations in 2007...if UAE is one of them then its good for EK.

See this :

http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index....&full_path=/2006/november/8/skies/
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
There are only 3x/weekly slots left from The Emirates to Canada (EY has the other three)..

EK should have gone with the 6 slots available...but they didn't (it was "daily or forget it"..and they got their answer).....

They will have to renegotiate if they want to serve Canada more than 3x/weekly.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
Given the situation of the bilaterals right now, does EK have a shot at getting the 3 open slots left, or is EY going to try to get those too (I'm under the assumption they are going on the current bilaterals, and nothing new has come out)...



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
-YYZ is not 100% confirmed...mentioned daily with B 773ER from Oct 28th 07

This might be an early indication that the new "Open Skies Policy" to be announced by the Canadian Government next month will include a reworked Canada-UAE bilateral.

Strong indications are that EY is planning to upgauge to the A345 for AUH-YYZ non-stop and also increase frequency to 6x week for Summer 2007.

If a new bilateral does takes effect next year they are probably going to want to grab as much market share as possible before EK jumps in.

Cheers,
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:32 am

Where would rumored IAH service stop in Europe or is it rumored non-stop?

TokyoNarita.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 6):
Canada is looking to sign OPEN SKIES agreements with many nations in 2007...if UAE is one of them then its good for EK.

See this :

http://www.embassymag.ca/html/index....&full_path=/2006/november/8/skies/



Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 7):

This might be an early indication that the new "Open Skies Policy" to be announced by the Canadian Government next month will include a reworked Canada-UAE bilateral.

Strong indications are that EY is planning to upgauge to the A345 for AUH-YYZ non-stop and also increase frequency to 6x week for Summer 2007.

If a new bilateral does takes effect next year they are probably going to want to grab as much market share as possible before EK jumps in.

Cheers,
Kaz

Got it..thanks Behramjee and Kaz.... Smile

I'm going to read the link Behramjee provided...
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:45 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 7):
Strong indications are that EY is planning to upgauge to the A345 for AUH-YYZ non-stop and also increase frequency to 6x week for Summer 2007.

yes July 2007 will see nonstops from AUH to YYZ by EYs A 345s...thats what the scoop is here in the local YYZ market.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 10):
yes July 2007 will see nonstops from AUH to YYZ by EYs A 345s...thats what the scoop is here in the local YYZ market.

Now the only question is will they arrive/depart in daylight hours for us photographers!  pray 

Cheers,
Kaz
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:55 am

Just want to seek clarification regarding these a/c types...

For Boeing 777-300ER Low Density, does it refer to the 77W with the new F suites, J flat seats, or the original 77W with flat seats in F, normal sleeper seats in J?

I wonder if ICN gets a nice boost in the premium products offered there...

Thanks,
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:03 am

thats excellent news for EK .

with regards to the UK , so is NCL confirmed for summer 07 ? when will it go online ?
how about the expansion to the US ? will it be non stop ? or via a stop in the UK ?
any more updates would be appreciated .

regards
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
-CGK nonstop flights upgraded to B777-300ER high density

Is that EK344 DXB-CGK-SIN-DXB?

With Regards,
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:47 am

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 7):

If a new bilateral does takes effect next year they are probably going to want to grab as much market share as possible before EK jumps in.

Cheers,
Kaz

One would be well-advised to read the new policy out today. I call it "open skies if" or "open skies but if"

The playing field has to be level, opportunities have to be level, a particular country with an undeveloped or nonexistant market can't put in too much capacity or it's not a candidate country for such an agreement. Both sides have to agree to unlimited fifth freedoms, etc. There can be no airport access constraints. I can see SQ getting in on the basis of offering unlimited fifths and having no practical constraints. Not so certain about UAe with two carriers. That would appear to trigger the caveats in the new policy.

Look for a Canada-Australia deal to be among the first.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:54 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
BEY goes double-daily end of Mar 07

I though it already was a double....one with an A330 and the other with 777, no?
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:58 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
One would be well-advised to read the new policy out today. I call it "open skies if" or "open skies but if"

I couldn't find it on the CTA site, do you have a link? Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Kaz
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:11 am

It's a policy matter, it's not on the CTA site, it's on the Transport Canada site


www.tc.gc.ca/bluesky
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
Both sides have to agree to unlimited fifth freedoms, etc.



Quoting Sebring (Reply 15):
I can see SQ getting in on the basis of offering unlimited fifths and having no practical constraints.

Forgive me if I sound simplistic, but I interpret this scenario as : SQ can take Canadian passengers from Canada and transport them anywhere they like via SIN and conversely AC can pick up Singaporean passengers at SIN and transport them anywhere they serve via a Canadian airport.
I believe if the domestic airport rents/fuel excise tax/security charges issues are addressed then that would serve as a 'reasonably level playing field' for AC or another Canadian carrier. What would you suggest are 'practical constraints' that may hamper SQ or another airline from gaining open skies status?

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:08 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 19):
Forgive me if I sound simplistic, but I interpret this scenario as : SQ can take Canadian passengers from Canada and transport them anywhere they like via SIN and conversely AC can pick up Singaporean passengers at SIN and transport them anywhere they serve via a Canadian airport.
I believe if the domestic airport rents/fuel excise tax/security charges issues are addressed then that would serve as a 'reasonably level playing field' for AC or another Canadian carrier. What would you suggest are 'practical constraints' that may hamper SQ or another airline from gaining open skies status?

As I noted, I don't see practical restraints with SIN. Fifths can also be intermediate fifths. I doubt SQ is interesting in flying SIN-YVR or SIN-YYZ nonstop. Vancouver and Toronto are not Los Angeles or New York in terms of sheer volume of customers or the willingness of the markets to pay premium fares. SQ flies to YVR via SEL and is a player on SIN-SEL and SEL-YVR. That makes the route work. It could be argued that if one country has intermediate fifths and Canada can't negotiate those with relevant countries, then there isn't parity. Slot times could also be an issue if an airport were to grant Canadian carriers access at unfavorable times, particularly for fifth freedom follow-on flights. Let's say, strictly theoretically, Air Canada wants to fly Toronto-Dubai-Lahore (which would require fifths and access to Lahore from Pakistan). If Dubai was to say, sure, we'll give you slots at 8 p.m. (meaning AC would have to leave Toronto during the overnight curfew - impossible, and arrive in Lahore after midnight). The Canadian government would likely interpret that as a non-tariff barrier and refuse to do an open skies agreement.

As the policy reads, the government will consult the industry and airports before entering into any negotiations, and then will apply its other tests. it will then prioritize negotiations, chosing those that are in the best interests of Canada. As the policy states, that will include business travel and tourism potential. Its not just about generating activity for the airlines or airports. That's why I say that a deal with Australia (and New Zealand, for that matter) are the type that will go to the very top of the list. You then have to figure out that Canada does not negotiate a lot of air bilaterals in the year and doesn't have the infrastructure to spool up to a much higher rate. That, too, will tend to favor a particular type of deal, where there is broad support from all stakeholders. That's where the UAE may get frustrated. I suspect it will take 2-3 years before there are open skies agreements for all countries that want them and can offer the necessary reciprocity.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:26 am

I have to agree with the skeptics. EK has been dangling this carrot at IAH for close to 10 years now and we are no closer to seeing EK than we were in 1998. I seem to recall all sorts of rumours from "inside sources" of MS starting IAH services sometime in 05/06, only to find out they were unfounded. Frankly, I feel that AI is jerking us around as well.

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 21):
I have to agree with the skeptics. EK has been dangling this carrot at IAH for close to 10 years now and we are no closer to seeing EK than we were in 1998. I seem to recall all sorts of rumours from "inside sources" of MS starting IAH services sometime in 05/06, only to find out they were unfounded. Frankly, I feel that AI is jerking us around as well.

My motto is, "I'll believe it when I see those tails lining up at D"

I have to agree 100%. EK has been doing the exactly same thing to us here at LAX for a long time as well. I happen to think that LAX and IAH are both worthy of service from EK. I have to admit that I would find it hard to believe that EK's next destination wouldnt be on the west coast, but I could be wrong.
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:43 am

When will EK, EY or even QR decide to fly to IAD...please don't say never.  banghead 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:20 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 20):
That's why I say that a deal with Australia (and New Zealand, for that matter) are the type that will go to the very top of the list.

Agreed. Both countries fit into the 'why haven't we negotiated these agreements already?' category. With the imminent arrival of AC planes that can fly to these countries non-stop, I foresee huge response from the flying public and tourism stakeholders. And it also meshes with your stated non-stop YVR/YYZ-SYD service near the top of AC's prioritiy list for new routes, although AKL remains absent.

Quoting Sebring (Reply 20):
You then have to figure out that Canada does not negotiate a lot of air bilaterals in the year and doesn't have the infrastructure to spool up to a much higher rate.

To which infrastructure do you refer? Are you thinking physical structure (airport capacity/gate space/service facilities) or more along the lines of capability of TC and other stakeholder staff to negotiate and implement these agreements?
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 24):
To which infrastructure do you refer? Are you thinking physical structure (airport capacity/gate space/service facilities) or more along the lines of capability of TC and other stakeholder staff to negotiate and implement these agreements?

The latter.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:58 pm

What about CPH or BRU guys ??

Any plans for EK in those two cities ?


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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:39 am

IAH-Dubai....talk about premium traffic...then again Gulf Air did fail in a similar route (albeit through IAD)

IAH-KWI would definitely work though. Halliburton alone could fill this flight....Hello CO...are u awake?
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 27):
IAH-Dubai....talk about premium traffic...then again Gulf Air did fail in a similar route (albeit through IAD)

Actually GF was routed through JFK and if memory serves via Nicosia (or perhaps Larnaca), I know there was a stop in Cyprus. Let's also not forget that ALIA hoped to capitalize on the so called 'oil market' and it too failed in the early 80s. That said, these 2 flights involved 2 stops and from a smallish market like Houston that was a killer. If EK does show up, it had better be a non-stop or history may repeat itself.

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 28):
If EK does show up, it had better be a non-stop or history may repeat itself.

IAH-DXB is possible with an A345 of 772LR. I think it will be a huge success. Houston has very stong business ties to the Persian Gulf which will help fill the premium seats and plenty of VFR traffic that EK can route through its hub. This route could work even with a stopover.

EK will not repeat GF's failure. EK can offer far more connections than GF did. Nonstop or one stop is better than GF's two. Oil prices are much higher, Houston and Dubai are bigger and more successful. This route is a winner.

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting NateDAL (Reply 29):
Oil prices are much higher

So, this service success is solely predicated on high oil prices......wow! Prices are high now but what happens when (not if) prices drop or even collapse? Will EK tough it out or go bye-bye (as well as the recent build up by AF, BA and LH)? Look, I am not trying to be a buzz kill, I want EK here, seriously I do, but reading these posts implying that Houston will be a cash cow for EK is misguided.

But that is one man's opinion and frankly I hoped that I am proved wrong.

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:42 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 30):
Look, I am not trying to be a buzz kill

I don’t know. This is a trend of yours, kill any good IAH buzz.
But lets assume that the energy traffic will be lackluster, you still have to acknowledge the market for one stop service to south and southeast Asia from IAH.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:35 am

Just to add some fuel to the rumor, new cabin crew recruits at the training college have been told of upcoming 20 routes which include IAH, GRU, YYZ, NCL, and VCE. (Kind of odd that new recruits are being informed of new routes, I think) I believe VCE is already loaded into OAG timetable. It would be a good year for IAH if KE and EK show up at Terminal D in 2007. I wouldn't count on AI coming for a long time though.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:44 am

Just a few comments regarding some of the new routes/frequencies, having looked at EKs intranet on the flight status page I put in the random date of 17th Oct and indeed the A345 is scheduled on EK7 to LHR, however this may change as the seating capacity is listed as 183 as opposed to 204 (183 being A332 3 class Y capacity) - suggesting it could well go back to that aircraft.

This system I find to be very accurate, many times A/C are changed particularly on middle eastern flights yet are not updated into amadeus.

The new low density (3 class) 77W with lie flat J class is designated by a 304 Y configuration as opposed to 310 on the system, for example this shows up on various routes as well as JFK 203/204 LGW,KHI,CAI to name a few.

The second route after JFK to be dedicated to the 77W lie flat J (A6-EBQ onwards) on a regular basis was their flagship route the EK001/002 to LHR.

What is VERY INTERESTING is that later in the year the F class capacity on EK001/002 DROPS to 8 - does this mean a new cabin is on the way????

Lastly it appears that JFK 201/202 is going to 77W lie flat J later in the year with the A345 being deployed on LHR and HAM/JFK it seems they have some spare now, if only they were scheduled on longer routes (crew rest) such as PER (block 10.45/11.15hrs) we have to make do with 4 blocked economy seats though I suppose crew rest is a luxury these days with EK deploying a 77W with NO CREW REST on the JFK EK203 last week departing 2 am with 1 hour delay and a block time of 13.50hrs.

Thanks to everyone for the info, airliners.net is the best source for info by far and especially regarding VCE with no mention at all on the company intranet.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 31):
I don't know. This is a trend of yours, kill any good IAH buzz.

You could look at it that way but I don't. Actually I am cautiously optimistic in terms of new int'l service. Keep in mind that EK's management has not publicly committed to any service to IAH period! Rather, all that EK has stated in the past is an 'interest' in IAH or similar comments. The same for KE, DT, QR and others.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 31):


you still have to acknowledge the market for one stop service to south and southeast Asia from IAH.

PK was so successful at IAH that they dropped us so fast when their 747s were banned by the EU, if you blinked you would have missed it, all the while keeping ORD and JFK going. CI is doing so well they cut their IAH service from 4 to 3 days a week earlier this year and their future in H-Town, uncertain.

Sorry, for being a realist

Thomas

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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:17 am

[quote=102IAHexpress,reply=31]I don?t know. This is a trend of yours, kill any good IAH buzz. [quote]

I dont think he is, hes being realistic. IAH is a tough market for the smaller carriers to make it in. I personally would think its crazy to serve IAH before ORD or LAX (or at least somewhere on the west coast).
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 34):

PK was so successful at IAH that they dropped us so fast when their 747s were banned by the EU, if you blinked you would have missed it, all the while keeping ORD and JFK going. CI is doing so well they cut their IAH service from 4 to 3 days a week earlier this year and their future in H-Town, uncertain.

PK was terrible in advertising..I know so many Pakistani's who had no clue that PK even flew there..in fact, I even knew PK employees who's families lived in Houston who had no clue PK served their cities..

That being said, it was wise of PK to drop a route where its not needed...they can utilise their planes to other locations...

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 30):

So, this service success is solely predicated on high oil prices

Actually, even if oil was lower than it now, there is still a lot of business ties.......so the upper-class seats will be filled regardless...
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 34):
Actually I am cautiously optimistic in terms of new int'l service.

But that goes without saying. All of us who care about IAH or any airport for that matter are cautiously optimistic. I don’t take stock in every rumor I hear about IAH. But this rumor does have merits. Last time I checked EK has an impressive backlog of aircraft on order, and EK is bent on making DXB a super hub.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 34):
PK was so successful at IAH that they dropped us so fast when their 747s were banned by the EU, if you blinked you would have missed it, all the while keeping ORD and JFK going. CI is doing so well they cut their IAH service from 4 to 3 days a week earlier this year and their future in H-Town, uncertain.

But for all the IAH nay saying and ill predictions from realists, PK and CI are still around. In fact CI management has publicly commented on the success of their new cargo operation at IAH. And to be fair to IAH maybe someone could check how many of PK long haul routes are daily ones? I doubt they have that many.

I get it. It’s a rumor. I read the thread title like everyone else. But why kill the buzz?
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 37):
PK and CI are still around.

PK is indeed still around, but not in H-Town.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 37):
In fact CI management has publicly commented on the success of their new cargo operation at IAH

That is wonderful news but in what way does this effect their lackluster pax operation?

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 37):
And to be fair to IAH maybe someone could check how many of PK long haul routes are daily ones? I doubt they have that many.

I agree, but it is moot as they are no longer flying to IAH. Indeed while their operations to IAH are officially "temporary" curtailed (which would explain why they are still listed on the terminal signs on JFK and Will Clayton) sadly, I suspect they will not be back. Again, I would love to be wrong on this and I sincerely hope that I am but my gut says otherwise.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 37):
But why kill the buzz?

My apologies if that is how you see it.

Thomas
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:37 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 34):

PK was so successful at IAH that they dropped us so fast when their 747s were banned by the EU, if you blinked you would have missed it, all the while keeping ORD and JFK going. CI is doing so well they cut their IAH service from 4 to 3 days a week earlier this year and their future in H-Town, uncertain.

Hi Thomas,

With regards to your above mentioned quote, I would like to give my opinion on the matter.

PIA never had a realistic of making IAH succeed let alone breakeven. They didnt have a SPA in place with any USA airline from IAH to feed their flight with pax originating from DFW, California and Arizona. Their 2 weekly operation was a 2 stop routing i.e. LHE-KHI-MAN-IAH with no traffic rights permitted between LHE-KHI and MAN-IAH which contributed to extra operating costs and no revenue to help cover it. PIA's 2 weekly flights didnt connect to their flights bound for DXB, BOM, DEL, CMB and DAC and solely catered to the Pakistani community residing in the IAH locality i.e. O&D market.

Bascially, PIA's lack of foresight and planning has contributed to its IAH route losing nearly US$ 1 million+ since its inauguration in June 2004.

However, I strongly feel that Emirates has the right tools and capital to make IAH a success. Why you may ask?

1. EKs flights to IAH will be timed to connect with their flights bound for East Africa, CAI, JNB, Pakistan, India, IKA, JED, NBO, CMB and DAC in both directions. Thus the flight will be catering to a diverse market which makes it flight load not dependant on one particular market segment. By making seamless connections possible both ways via its DXB hub, EK will ensure that its IAH flight is well fed by many online markets it serves within a 6-8 hour flying radius from DXB.

2. EK has the brand name recognition amongst the local IAH population of Whites, Africans, Pakistanis, Indians, Iranians, Arabs etc to attract the high yielding F and J class clientele to their flights and away from the likes of BA, LH, AF and KLM from IAH. They will advertise their new IAH service as aggressively like they did with JFK to ensure the ppl of IAH know that EK is coming to town!

To begin with, EK's B 772LR product in all 3 classes will be superior to KL's and LH's as their seat pitch will be bigger + tvs in every economy class seat which LH and KL dont have on their B 747s and A 340s. So if the price is right and the final destination is somewhere in the Middle East, East/South Africa or Indian subcontinent, then one will not be surprised to see EK taking away market share from LH and KLM to these destinations due to their superior inflight product.

3. Many South Asians, Iranians and Arabs are attracted to stop in DXB for 1-2 days enroute to their final destination due to the lure of shopping and relaxing in DXB. With EK's ability to offer DXB stopover package for as little as USD 49 a night with hotel-transport etc + visa on arrival for many country's pspt holders, this will be an attractive feature to their product.

4. Lastly, EKs B 772LRs to IAH will see a guaranteed load factor of 80% in the cargo belly year round. That anyone can forsee and can give you in writing. The high yield generated from the cargo can easily subsidize a low density flight load during the off season.

5. Also EK is very close to CO, so they will for sure coordinate their flight timings to ensure that their flights connect with CO's flights from & to IAH bound for PHX, DFW, LAX, SFO, SEA, DEN and LAS as these will be the other target markets for EK to help feed the IAH flight.
 
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 38):
That is wonderful news but in what way does this effect their lackluster pax operation?

You are far too pessimistic.

CI has been in Houston for more than two years now. Currently, they are at 3x weekly pax flights. That is pretty good, especially considering the limited business ties between Houston and Taipei and the stopover. As for PK, no one knows if they will return. I blame their failure on their own incompetence.

I recall an article posted here that quoted EK's president as saying they intended to start IAH soon. It was from a Gulf paper on the start of service to Osaka. Every serious newspaper that discusses EK's expansion to North America mentions IAH as a likely route. The rumors amongst staff and on the internet are extensive. I believe that IAH-DXB will happen no later than 2008 and it will be a huge success. When anylizing a route, airlines look to the type of pax that is likely to fly it. The most important type of pax is O&D business. IAH and DXB have good business ties and there are many Arab/Pakistani/Indian Houstonians who would love a shorter route to visit their families. Plus, EK is must more compenent than PK. It will happen and it will be a success.

Edit: well said, Behramjee.

[Edited 2006-11-30 05:44:45]
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:47 pm

I have wonder: Is IAH really the next logical step for EK? But I guess it depends on the market targeted really. There has to be good business ties, but I would think that they might get better results from LAX or ORD? Maybe im being narrow minded.
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RE: Rumor: EK To IAH And YYZ In 2007?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:40 pm

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 38):
That is wonderful news but in what way does this effect their lackluster pax operation?

Their biggest problem is that IAH-TP is not non-stop......stopping is SEA is a real pain.

Most Tiawanese comign up from Central America will go IAH-LAX-TPE before taking CI.
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