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SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:19 pm

Link below talks abot SkyValue moving into Gary Airport in Indiana. The writer talkes about Hooters Air not making it there and nor did Southeast or Pan Am. So hardships for SkyValue? They are offering free parking and cheaper fares to Las Vegas. SkyValue at $89 vs Southwest at $109. Who will win this battle of LCC's?

http://nwitimes.com/articles/2006/11...a754ac397629378625723300117f87.txt
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:28 pm

Southwest of course...Skyvalue is nothing more than Xtra Airlines leasing their birds and service out--ultimately 'Skyvalue' will disappear with Xtra still doing what they do. Its not even a battle between LCCs so to speak. Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:44 pm

Welp, I wish GYY well, so I guess that means I wish SkyValue well. FWIW, here's their schedule:
http://www.flyskyvalue.com/schedule.html
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:50 am

I'm sorry but I get a chuckle out of this idea. Lets see how long this lasts before they pull out or go under. Who is going to use GYY when you have ORD and MDW down the highway? With WN, FL and TZ having the low fare market very well covered in the area I don't see how this will work.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:59 am

In order to get real traction, GYY is going to have to get a "real" LCC or major to offer service, possibly at the expense of SBN. SBN is close enough to GYY or IND to give them alternatives.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):
Why can't airlines make Gary work...or is it the wrong airlines try and make it work?

I think you answered your own question!

It is only academic that one day an airline will find a niche in Gary and be successful...the size of the metro demands it, so what if the surrounding area isn't the greatest, if the facility is a secure, and modern place for airlines and passengers to conduct business it should not matter.

The airlines that have landed in Gary up to this point could not make ANY of their services work, not just those alighting in Gary.
What will be the litmus test is the arrival of an airline with a gameplan that goes beyond staying solvent for just another day.....
As for this Skyvalue, I've never put much stock in these airlines using another airlines equipment, or being nothing more than public charters....by their very nature they are short-term business plans that add nothing to the longevity of sustained commercial airline service to places like Gary.

When SkyBus of CMH gets going, and if they chose GYY (along with RFD) like I've heard rumored, that will be the real test. From this the hope that a major will notice and start service of their own....small at first.
Airline service unfortunately is not something that grows overnight, the future is inevitable for Gary, someday......when? Maybe it is only just beginning.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:16 am

Part of the problem is before they even get their first flight off the ground....

SkyValue....

not a good idea when the name "VALUjet" is still in everyone's memory.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:22 am

The next time someone has the brilliant idea to start an airline, why don't they just take $100 million and flush it down the toilet up front? It would save a heck of a lot of time and create less stress for the people they hire and inevitably put out of work. Anyone who wants to startup an airline these days must have a death wish. And please, no comparisons to B6! That was 6 years ago in a different business climate. It's unlikely many/any new startups are going to make it today, with the possible exception of Virgin, assuming they get to fly.
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:23 am

What type of A/C are they using ?
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:44 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
Part of the problem is before they even get their first flight off the ground....

SkyValue....

not a good idea when the name "VALUjet" is still in everyone's memory.

I don't know. I think ValuJet is fading in peoples minds pretty fast, and honestly, the name SkyValue doesn't even link in my mind to ValuJet.

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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:13 am

Apparently Skyvalue bookings to IWA have been strong, already talking about an additional flight each week. Personally can't consider Skyvalue an airline unless its have its own planes.

Looks like Xrta will be busy this winter with providing lift for both Skyvalue and Western.
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting KingAirMan (Reply 8):
What type of A/C are they using ?

737-800
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
Looks like Xrta will be busy this winter with providing lift for both Skyvalue and Western.

At least they can use IWA as a place to switch out a/c between the two operations, perhaps.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
I think ValuJet is fading in peoples minds pretty fast, and honestly, the name SkyValue doesn't even link in my mind to ValuJet.

It was a few years I was involved in a research project testing words and their impression on the public.
StlGph is on the right track tho', but it isn't so much the (perceived) link to valuJet as it how people view the word "Value". Interesting to say the least.

The word has become associated with generic products and brands.
If my memory serves me correctly, WalMart has a line of food products named "Value-*something*", and they being the mother of all retailers, stuff like that has a tendency of sticking.....so where this leads in the mind of consumers is: There is the recognized name brand, and then there is the "value" brand; The product they purchase when money is tight.

Now how this will translate into Aviation is anyone's guess, as the aforementioned research was in conjunction with durable goods and not a service.
Many businesses the last decade or so have built customer bases on offering "Value", but not the best, or most desirable product.
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 1):



Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):

I think you guys hit it right on the head.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

I agree--If I flew on SkyValue or any carrier with the name Value in it you all probably would never know "What airline did you fly Drerx7?" "Oh I flew SkyVa---err uhm American"
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
To make a long story short, The word "Value": is on the border-line of being a negative! (Something like 51 to 49)

I agree 100%.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
Personally, the name "SkyValue" does nothing for me, research notwithstanding. These people obviously didn't do their own research, which is very affordable nowadays....could have done their own project for around $5000.....and picked a name that resonates with consumers, rather than one stolen from a can of generic creamed corn.

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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:42 am

Hey, it's not any worse than the name Skybus.
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):
Who will win this battle of LCC's?

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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 16):
I vote for JetAmerica. Someday it will fly again

Does Alaska still have rights to the Jet America brand name?
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
Does Alaska still have rights to the Jet America brand name?

Good question. With the name "Western" now in play again, maybe AS has/will let the rights to "JetAmerica" slip away. Honestly, though, if they do have the rights I'm guessing they'd hold onto them, or else require a cash payment of some sort. When anyone can make up an airline name for free, I don't know if it would be worth it.

All I know is that it would fit a national low-cost carrier well.

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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:50 pm

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 12):
At least they can use IWA as a place to switch out a/c between the two operations, perhaps.

Possible, but Western says they're using 737-400 while SkyValue says 737-800.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 13):
WalMart has a line of food products named "Value-*something*"

Their brand name you're thinking of is "Great Value".
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 21):
Their brand name you're thinking of is "Great Value".

They also use "Equate" (as in referencing "equal", or "as good as") for many of their products.
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 3):
Who is going to use GYY

People who live closer to GYY than to MDW, IND, or SBN, if prices and flight selection are equal. And that's easily more people than in, say, PIA, which supports an airport just fine.
But I'm guessing prices will be cheaper and flight selection will be less, so...I dunno.
 
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RE: SkyValue Takes On Southwest In The Chicago Area

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:28 am

This is a followup article with other info.

Looks like they plan to stay totally a "virtual" airline, outsourcing everything.

Quote:
Elko, Nev.-based Xtra Airways is first among the contractors SkyValue is relying on to deliver first-rate service. In addition to planes, it will supply mechanics and flight crews. Other contractors are the Vacation Express reservations center, in Atlanta, and the Gary Jet Center, which is providing ticket agents.

http://nwitimes.com/articles/2006/11...93e6b246e0395c862572330079d09c.txt
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