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Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:22 pm

Toll Holdings limited have decided to retain their majority stake in Virgin Blue and may shift some of their freight operations to DJ. The CEO of Toll has been quoted as saying they will place an order this month.

Virgin Blue ''offered further value enhancement for Toll shareholders,'' the Melbourne-based company's Chief Executive Officer Paul Little said in a statement to the Australian Stock Exchange today. Toll took the A$1.4 billion ($1.1 billion) stake after getting Patrick, Australia's biggest shipping cargo handler.

Toll may move its own freight on Virgin Blue aircraft, the company said. Little cited the potential to start flying the airline on the trans-Pacific route between the U.S. and Australia and the purchase of new jets for the fleet this month as possible areas of value growth.


Source http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...conews&tkr=TOL:AU&sid=aAvI3_puEST4

This will be an interesting decision given the availability 777 slots for their desired time frame.

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RE: Virgin Blue Long Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:35 pm

Hi PanAm_DC10...thanks for the link.. Smile

Doesn't their potential fleet acquistion depend on getting the daily flights which they were looking for, or is it basically "open-skies" agreement between Australia and the United States?

That being said, I hope DJ gets the 773W or 772-LR and starts service to SFO, LAX, and possibly YVR.....

If they serve SFO, maybe they will get my business instead of QF...serves QF well for not getting the 777's.... stirthepot  Angry devil 

That being said, QF did order a monster amount of 787's..so I guess I'll give them my business afterall..

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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:45 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
Doesn't their potential fleet acquistion depend on getting the daily flights which they were looking for, or is it basically "open-skies" agreement between Australia and the United States?

Hi jacobin,

Under US-OZ open skies agreement both countries carriers can fly as much as they can.. Only restriction is they have to do minimum 3X per week.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 1):
That being said, I hope DJ gets the 773W or 772-LR and starts service to SFO, LAX,

Oh you never know they might be getting 343's and 346's from "4 engine 4 long haul"  Smile
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 2):
Hi jacobin,

Under US-OZ open skies agreement both countries carriers can fly as much as they can.. Only restriction is they have to do minimum 3X per week.

Hi Planetime.. Smile

Interesting.. scratchchin ..I didn't know about that...

Quoting Planetime (Reply 2):
Oh you never know they might be getting 343's and 346's from "4 engine 4 long haul"  Smile

True, true..but Sir Richard Branson doesn't have a controlling stake in it (nor does he run the operation), so DJ wouldn't be needing to use silly marketing gimmicks... Smile


I'm still hoping to see the 777's in DJ colours.. pray 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:54 pm

Virgin Blue said they are looking at 7 firm orders on 2008 production lines from both Airbus and Boeing, and "don't care" which a/c they take!
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From The Australian
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,20809678-23349,00.html

Virgin is still talking to both manufacturers about its plans. Mr Godfrey said the airline was fortunate in that it didn't care which it went with.
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:02 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 2):
Oh you never know they might be getting 343's and 346's from "4 engine 4 long haul" Smile

I dunno, Sir Richie seems to be putting his four holers to good use, I'm not sure he can just hand them off.... At this point, the money is on Boeing jets, but I only say that due to recent market sentiments. I think it would be nice to have someone running to OZ from North America with Airbus hardware, depending who I am traveling with, the option of flying on a 2-4-2 layout aircraft can be nice (or if UA would ever fly their 777s there, 2-5-2 is just as good).
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting QF744 (Reply 4):
Virgin is still talking to both manufacturers about its plans. Mr Godfrey said the airline was fortunate in that it didn't care which it went with.

Possibly to get better prices from both manufacturers.... Wink
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
I think it would be nice to have someone running to OZ from North America with Airbus hardware, depending who I am traveling with, the option of flying on a 2-4-2 layout aircraft can be nice (or if UA would ever fly their 777s there, 2-5-2 is just as good).

Try Air Tahiti Nui for the airbus - stop in PPT, but if you're going to New York, it's the same either way, and I can think of worse places to layover than tahiti...

On a full flight, I think that the person stuck in the center of the 5 in a 2-5-2 layout might disagree with you!
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:40 pm

My understanding was that DJ hadn't made a decision on trans-pac flights because they only had access for 4 flights a week and wanted at least daily. Read this a couple of times in different publications. Could be confused though  Confused

Out of the 777 and the A340 which holds more freight? I think this would impact the decision consider Tolls objectives.

How exciting is Australia's commercial aviation market at the moment! QF with A380s and 787s, Jetstart flying internationally and Virgin Blue with Ejets on order and now this. It's great.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:53 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
the purchase of new jets for the fleet this month as possible areas of value growth.

Isn't he talking about the Embraer's orders earlier in November?

From The Australian:
Mr Little cited Virgin’s recent decision to order 14 Embraer regional jets as showing Virgin’s ability to innovate and said its trans-Pacific long-haul service offered exciting prospects.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:01 pm

So if the planes are on the 2008 delivery schedule, what will they do in the mean-time to be able to service the AUS-USA route, should they launch, as expected, in 2007?
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting QF744 (Reply 10):
So if the planes are on the 2008 delivery schedule, what will they do in the mean-time to be able to service the AUS-USA route, should they launch, as expected, in 2007?

They have said for a while that they expect to launch in 2008. They will have to announce very soon if they are able to acquire 2008 aircraft from either Airbus/Boeing/lessor. Possibly, there has been a resolution to the daily rights to the USA.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:15 pm

The report says they have the slots reserved, but they would still need 3 a/c in the fleet at least to service one daily AUS-USA route.
From what I understand, they are looking at 777s as a likely outcome, but given that Godfrey says he "doesn't care" which a/c they choose, I wouldn't be suprised to see DJ take on a couple of 346s or 744s from VS on a short-term basis to help start the service.
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:42 pm

Quoting Planetime (Reply 2):
Under US-OZ open skies agreement both countries carriers can fly as much as they can.. Only restriction is they have to do minimum 3X per week.

I thought that new entrants on the OZ-US direct market are restricted to either 3 or 4 per week to start with

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 5):
I dunno, Sir Richie seems to be putting his four holers to good use,

Richie Rich has got nothing to do with DJs order
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Toll may move its own freight on Virgin Blue aircraft, the company said. Little cited the potential to start flying the airline on the trans-Pacific route between the U.S. and Australia and the purchase of new jets for the fleet this month as possible areas of value growth.

Are they even considering to start the Aussie-Europe flights?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:10 pm

How about 747-8I or even A380s ?
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:37 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 14):
Are they even considering to start the Aussie-Europe flights?

This is not Virgin Blue speaking but Mr Little from Toll Holdings. He has, in the past, not ruled out Freighters for Asian destinations for their Logistic operations.

I agree, I have a different report to most and to clarify, this month should read this year given there are only 2 days left and 777 demand is experiencing an upsurge. Either way we Aussies win, be great to see VH rego'd A3456 or B777 series.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 13):
Richie Rich has got nothing to do with DJs order

 thumbsup  to you sir!

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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting QF744 (Reply 12):
From what I understand, they are looking at 777s as a likely outcome, but given that Godfrey says he "doesn't care" which a/c they choose, I wouldn't be suprised to see DJ take on a couple of 346s or 744s from VS on a short-term basis to help start the service.

How about some A346s (or A332s sent down the line to replace them) that were recently "cancelled" by a middle-eastern airline..........
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 17):
Quoting QF744 (Reply 12):
From what I understand, they are looking at 777s as a likely outcome, but given that Godfrey says he "doesn't care" which a/c they choose, I wouldn't be suprised to see DJ take on a couple of 346s or 744s from VS on a short-term basis to help start the service.

How about some A346s (or A332s sent down the line to replace them) that were recently "cancelled" by a middle-eastern airline..........

That airline was EK. I'm still expecting a B773 order due to their B737NG fleet.

I'm thinking the long haul fleet will carry ZK regos because they will need to be operated by Pacblue which is based in CHC and their B738s carry ZK regos
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:38 am

Board approval to US flights.

"VIRGIN Blue plans to launch a long-haul international airline on US routes have been given a green light by the airline¿s board as Australia¿s second biggest carrier yesterday upgraded its net profit forecast by 40 per cent to more than $158 million."

Link to the story here
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 19):
Board approval to US flights.

"VIRGIN Blue plans to launch a long-haul international airline on US routes have been given a green light by the airline¿s board as Australia¿s second biggest carrier yesterday upgraded its net profit forecast by 40 per cent to more than $158 million."

Link to the story here

Thanks for the link.. checkmark ...

Looks very intersting....they want to start two years from now....I think they will get the route authority..now lets see which planes they get.....
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RE: Virgin Blue Long Haul Decision This Month

Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:19 am

A hectic morning.

The Qantas buy outers have been rejected by the board.

Virgin Blue has lifted its profit guidance by 40 %.

Its controlling owner Toll has split its operations in two, for infrastructure and services. This will make both the parent company which is a highly desirable logistics enterprise as well as the airline harder targets to raid either in total or on their own.

To follow the fun, go to breaking news services or the airline sites or pick up the announcements from the ASX.

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