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Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:47 pm

AK is following HK based Oasis to start long haul no-frills flights...

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KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 7 (Reuters) - The founders of Malaysia-based low-cost carrier AirAsia plan to set up a new budget airline that will operate long-haul flights, a business weekly reported.
The Edge, citing unnamed sources, said the new airline, which would be privately owned, might begin service as early as next year.
AirAsia directors Tony Fernandes and Kamarudin Meranun and their associates are believed to be working on the business plan, which would be presented to the government, the weekly said.
Fernandes and Kamarudin could not be immediately reached for comment.
AirAsia currently flies to destinations within the region.
One of the routes under consideration is Kuala Lumpur to London, the Edge said.
National carrier Malaysia Airlines flies 18 times a week to London from Kuala Lumpur, and it is one of the few profitable routes on its international network.

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:45 pm

Mr. Leahy did say last week that he is in talks with a lowcost carrier to sell A330s, when asked if lowcost carriers showed interest for the A380. AK might well be that airline. Imagine how good AK's paintsheme would look on an A330...
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 1):
Mr. Leahy did say last week that he is in talks with a lowcost carrier to sell A330s, when asked if lowcost carriers showed interest for the A380. AK might well be that airline. Imagine how good AK's paintsheme would look on an A330...

Whoa... A380 for a low cost carrier, hope they don't turn out to be refugees-boat alike that cramps as many passengers as they can in that aircraft!  Smile Kidding...

AK indeed is very ambitious in expanding their fleet size.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:25 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 2):
Whoa... A380 for a low cost carrier,

That's what one of the reporters suggested. Mr. Leahy replied (joking) that he'll put the A380 in the brochure for the lowcost airlines. He then added that he is currently in talks (IIRC he said I'll be meeting the customer this afternoon) with a lowcost carrier for A330s.
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
He then added that he is currently in talks (IIRC he said I'll be meeting the customer this afternoon) with a lowcost carrier for A330s.

Wonder if Boeing is serious about venturing into the low cost segment since they lost the AK's 100 aircraft bidding war to Airbus. Never heard that they are as agressive as Airbus in this area.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:34 pm

As long as they don't paint anymore planes in that hideous Man Utd scheme it's all good
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:45 pm

Quoting Foxy (Reply 5):
As long as they don't paint anymore planes in that hideous Man Utd scheme it's all good

Well, what do you expect from a low cost airlines? Actually I don't really think that paint scheme is hideous.  

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:53 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 2):

AK indeed is very ambitious in expanding their fleet size.

As ambitious as AK is, no one knew they would succeed to this extent. All they nay-sayers have since been silenced as AK time and time again reap profits from routes within the country itself that the flag carrier has problems with.

On top of that, they have been tremendously successful in the region too. As if that is not enough, they have a Thai and Indonesian affiliate to boot.

Now the next logical step would be to expand and spread their wings further afield. The viability of a long-haul LCC remains to be seen with the fore-runner Oasis Hongkong. But if AK's business decisions are anything to go by, anything they touch now seems to turn to gold.

In fact, I am so curious about AK that I have booked myself a flight on their Thai subsidiary Thai Air Asia (FD) from SIN-BKK. I want to see what the fuss is all about (or no fuss at all).

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 4):
Never heard that they are as agressive as Airbus in this area.

Dont doubt that they are as agressive, FR's mouth has put it very nicely (well quiet the opposite really) when they placed their 738 order a couple years back.

IMO it comes down to who's able to deliver the desired amount of frames at the right time, as far as the competition between the A32S and 73S is concerned.
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:43 pm

This is a bad news for MH, since their domestic routes was attacked by AK, now AK starts to play on long haul route.

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
That's what one of the reporters suggested. Mr. Leahy replied (joking) that he'll put the A380 in the brochure for the lowcost airlines.

Earlier, there was an executive from Airbus visited India targeting its yet to be fully explored domestic market and trying to sell the idea of using A380 as low cost carriers, talks with Air Deccan and Kingfishers were held but no deal sealed.

India is a huge market, A380 might be able to used in the domestic sector, to replace its infamous overly packed old trains...
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:02 pm

When I was flying BKK-HKG the other week, ALL AK flights were delayed by at least 1 hour up to 3-4 hours!!!
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 11):
When I was flying BKK-HKG the other week, ALL AK flights were delayed by at least 1 hour up to 3-4 hours!!!

Think you actually mean BKK to Macau, AK does not fly to HK.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:52 pm

I flew several AK and FD flights earlier this year, and all were fine. Very popular with the locals.
A 12 hours LCC flight to London would need a bit more legroom mind you, and a bit of IFE wouldn't go amiss either! The A333 wouldn't reach Europe, does the A332 have the legs to get that far?
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:43 pm

Folks, re-read the article. AirAsia isn't attributed to be doing anything...its founders are. The article says it would be a new carrier.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 12):
Think you actually mean BKK to Macau, AK does not fly to HK.

I think TurkishWings flew EK and just noticed the FD delays based on his trip report..

I'd say the delays are a FD (Thai Air Asia) problem completely, I've never been seriously delayed on AK. AK only has a couple of KUL flights at BKK, so these delays must have been FD delays as expected.

The FD operation is a complete joke, usually it looks like their delays are caused by one 737 going mechanical.

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Drgmobile (Reply 14):
Folks, re-read the article. AirAsia isn't attributed to be doing anything...its founders are. The article says it would be a new carrier.

You are right... it will probably be a subsdiary of AK.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15):
I think TurkishWings flew EK and just noticed the FD delays based on his trip report..

Yes, this is what I mean... Air Asia flights out of BKK.. I know they don't fly to HKG.
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:27 pm

wonder what aircrafts will they be using for the no frill long haul? Oasis is using the B747, still too early to tell if it's cost effective and profitable using such big aircraft...
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:54 pm

If Air Asia is to start long-haul flights they´ll probebly get som second hand 744 or soon-to-be AC 343´s

Just my opinion n guess.

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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:20 pm

I thought AirMadrid was a LCC long-haul carrier.... (at least that's how and why they started).... however, if they are anything to go by, it's a HUGE no-no! I do wish them the best, but I would not do that or fly on such a carrier...
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
If Air Asia is to start long-haul flights they´ll probebly get som second hand 744 or soon-to-be AC 343´s

Just my opinion n guess.

B747 will be cool.. B737-800 can be used for long range too...
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:15 am

MH will be in trouble if they operate KUL/LON.

Wonder if they'll do a Jetstar Int & offer 2 classes.

Maybe they'll do an Air Transat & put 363 seats in an A330-200 (2 classes) with 3-3-3 seating in Y ???
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 22):
Wonder if they'll do a Jetstar Int & offer 2 classes.

Maybe they'll do an Air Transat & put 363 seats in an A330-200 (2 classes) with 3-3-3 seating in Y ???

Oasis does offer 2 cass configuration as well for HKG-LHR.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Thread starter):
One of the routes under consideration is Kuala Lumpur to London, the Edge said.
National carrier Malaysia Airlines flies 18 times a week to London from Kuala Lumpur, and it is one of the few profitable routes on its international network.

knowing how well my government (Malaysia) would work to protect MH, that would NEVER gonna happen
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting Kulatict (Reply 24):
knowing how well my government (Malaysia) would work to protect MH, that would NEVER gonna happen

True... but if AK is aggressively pushing to open the KUL-SIN route, soon it will do the same for KUL-LHR...
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting W3ndytj4n (Reply 9):
This is a bad news for MH, since their domestic routes was attacked by AK, now AK starts to play on long haul route.

Actually, from what I remember, MH was allowed by the government to drop money losing domestic routes, but then the government backtracked and forced them to keep those money losing flights. If MH was a private company, giving up those money losing domestic routes to AK might just be a blessing for them.

Quoting Atnight (Reply 20):
I thought AirMadrid was a LCC long-haul carrier....

Indeed they are, although IMO they're something you'd like to avoid. I'd rather fly with FR to LBC than be stuck in MAD for 50+ hours thanks to NM.

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 23):
Oasis does offer 2 cass configuration as well for HKG-LHR.

Oasis flies HKG-LGW, not LHR.

Quoting Kulatict (Reply 24):
knowing how well my government (Malaysia) would work to protect MH, that would NEVER gonna happen

My impression is that the government actually does more harm than good to MH, especially with domestic routes which do nothing but lose money for them and which would be better off with AK.

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 25):
True... but if AK is aggressively pushing to open the KUL-SIN route, soon it will do the same for KUL-LHR...

What's keeping them from flying KUL-SIN? And wouldn't it be better for a budget airline like AK to fly to LGW than to LHR?
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
And wouldn't it be better for a budget airline like AK to fly to LGW than to LHR?

It doesn't matter which airport near London they fly to. From what we know, STN is cheapest London area airport, although there must be other suitable low cost airports within 100kms of London ???
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 27):
It doesn't matter which airport near London they fly to.

IMO it does, especially given the fact that it's difficult as hell to get any of those highly coveted slots for flights into LHR.

Bottom line: LHR could be far too expensive for AK, which leaves LGW as the more viable solution, especially for budget longhaul travel and even connections.
 
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Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
It doesn't matter which airport near London they fly to.

IMO it does, especially given the fact that it's difficult as hell to get any of those highly coveted slots for flights into LHR.

It does matter from customers point of view which airport in London area. If saving heaps over legacy fares then transferring from an airport other than LHR is no big deal.
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:47 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
What's keeping them from flying KUL-SIN? And wouldn't it be better for a budget airline like AK to fly to LGW than to LHR?

The government is protecting MH...
yeah... I mean LGW...
 
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:29 pm

Way to go Air Asia!!! I think they're a great airline. I've had like 7 very cheap flights with them and all I can say is..flawless!! The flight attendants were very attentive and snacks/drinks were reasonably priced.

However, in regards to starting up a long-haul service, I would suggest using BKK as a hub as demand for seats into BKK would be a lot higher than for seats into KUL. Perhaps this would also allow for use of A330 equipment as BKK is closer to Europe than KUL.
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 26):
What's keeping them from flying KUL-SIN?

Singapore airport has so far prevented them from flying there - nothing to do with protecting SQ of course  Wink

Instead, AK have a big hub at Johor Bharu, just the other side of the causeway (there's cheap buses into Singapore)
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RE: Air Asia Plans To Fly Long Haul!

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 32):
Singapore airport has so far prevented them from flying there - nothing to do with protecting SQ of course

Why is Singapore Airport stopping them from flying in? Don't they always want to be the hub of everything?