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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:32 pm

A B744 of KLM with 277 pax on its way to Bangkok returned to Schiphol short after take off yesterday evening. After dropping its fuel into the North Sea (poor fishes) the Jumbo landed safely at Amsterdam Airport. Their was no panic on board. One of the doors was not well closed. It was no defect. Though as precaution the involved emergency door slide has now been replaced. This took some time and therefore the pax were brought to hotels for the night. I thought a not well closed door should have been alarmed in the cockpit.....before take off, right?
 
stylo777
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:37 pm

normally the crew make a pre-flight security check of all flights. the cabin attendants must report the check of the doors...
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:43 pm

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flyfisher1976
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Thread starter):
door should have been alarmed in the cockpit.....before take off, right?

I don't know about large aircraft, but pressurization in our planes can push the door out just enough to unmake an out-of-adjustment door switch. This would give an indication in the cockpit that the door is unsafe and a subsequent air return. This condition would not be evident until airborne as cabin pressure rises.
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Thread starter):
After dropping its fuel into the North Sea (poor fishes)

When fuel is dumped, it actually vaporizes before it could hit the water.
AY and ANA rock!
 
Asturias
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:46 pm

Now had this been BA, they'd have decided to continue to Bankok. Just fly a bit lower - it wouldn't cause too much pax inconvenience.

 Wink

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HB-IWC
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:26 pm

KL877/27NOV is now scheduled to depart AMS today, November 28 at 3pm local time or almost 19 hours behind schedule, because KLM does not have an operational spare available. It is due to return to AMS with a delay of about 34 hours because the aircraft will make an overnight stop at BKK for reasons of crew rest.
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 6):
KL877/27NOV is now scheduled to depart AMS today, November 28 at 3pm local time or almost 19 hours behind schedule, because KLM does not have an operational spare available. It is due to return to AMS with a delay of about 34 hours because the aircraft will make an overnight stop at BKK for reasons of crew rest.

I reckon they will try to book as many pax as possible on AF. Once again the whole network trips because of one (albeit major) delay.
Any thoughts on letting AF metal substituting one CDG-AMS flight and then continuing to BKK. Can this make economic sense?
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:04 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 7):
Any thoughts on letting AF metal substituting one CDG-AMS flight and then continuing to BKK

Given that most flights to and from Asia are currently packed, there is really no other solution for KLM than to operate this flight as I reckon very few alternatives are available. Let's also not forget that this is a combi operation and that the BKK-TPE-BKK sectors are usually packed with cargo, wome of which might be high priority. Canceling this flight becomes as such a no no.
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:54 pm

277 pax: is this a full flight assuming it's a 747-400 Mixed ??

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HB-IWC
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:06 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 9):
277 pax: is this a full flight assuming it's a 747-400 Mixed

KLM's B74E seats 280 passengers in a 42C/238Y configuration. There were as such at least 3 vacant seats, perhaps more if there were infants on board.
 
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KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting Asturias (Reply 5):
Now had this been BA, they'd have decided to continue to Bankok. Just fly a bit lower - it wouldn't cause too much pax inconvenience.

That made me chuckle a bit.
 
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RE: KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take O

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:28 am

DOKL877/27NOV
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * KL 877 -1 MO 27NOV
CITY INFO HOUR LOCAL)
AMS AIRCRAFT FORCED TO RETURN LANDED AT 2204
EXPECTED ON BLOCK AT 2209
ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 1515
DELAY AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
LEFT THE GATE 1514
TOOK OFF 1528
PASSENGERS ON BOARD 211/000)
PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES) 1844
AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
OTHER INFORMATION
MAP1420
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0706 BKK

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * KL 877 -1 MO 27NOV
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
AMS 2030 MO JCIZ/DB SBM/DS 74M 10:30
HQKLTV/DS
BKK 1300 TU 1410 TU JCIZ/S SBM/D 1:10 3:25
HQKLTV/D

PASSENGERS ON BOARD 211/000)
PLANE IS LATE IN HOURS MINUTES) 1844
AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
OTHER INFORMATION
MAP1420
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 0706 BKK

* 1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO * KL 877 -1 MO 27NOV
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
AMS 2030 MO JCIZ/DB SBM/DS 74M 10:30
HQKLTV/DS
BKK 1300 TU 1410 TU JCIZ/S SBM/D 1:10 3:25
HQKLTV/D
TPE 1835 TU 15:05

COMMENTS-
1.TO TPE - ARRIVES TERMINAL 2
2.AMS BKK - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
3.BKK TPE - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE

CONFIGURATION-
74M NO CONFIGURATION SET

[Edited 2006-11-28 17:32:21]
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Asturias
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RE: KLM 747 Returns To Schiphol Short After Take Off

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting MEACEDAR (Reply 11):
That made me chuckle a bit.

 Wink

All in good fun.

cheers

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