Emirates777300
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Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:03 am

Hi I just like to know is Etihad going to fly to Australia. If yes were and when?

Thanks

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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:57 am

Not yet. Their main trade is UK pax to BKK and Bali (I flew them LGW-AUH-LGW a month or two ago, lovely new 777-300 with every bell and whistle imaginable). In fact Etihad applied for Australia and were turned down, it was established by the Aussie CAA that they would actually bring no new business, and only cannibalise Qantas, BA, VS and the old guard of airlines offering connections eg Singapore, Emirates, Malaysia, Thai et al. I must admit, while Emirates gouge QF and keep any other European airline off the Kangaroo Route, they have legitimately created some trade for Australia - Dubai, which wasn't an active city pair ever, before EK came along. Now it's a decent market in it's own right. So Emirates, for all the criticism they've had from some quarters, have constructively opened up a new trade region for Australia; whereas Etihad, based in barren Abu Dhabi, are merely trying to muscle in on something of others' creation and not bring new business, just lower yields. That was the thinking behind their denial of Aussie route authority. I'm sure Etihad will get there sooner or later though, they're really going for it. Their 777-300s have to be seen to be believed, especially cos there's usually only about 60 people onboard. Yum.
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Emirates777300
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:29 pm

Thanks for your reply.

Yeah the new 777s look quite good
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:49 pm

Etihad is adding KUL as its new Asian destination Jan-15 2007, perhaps in future it might use it as stopover point to Aussie...
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting CoolSkyGuy (Reply 3):
Etihad is adding KUL as its new Asian destination Jan-15 2007, perhaps in future it might use it as stopover point to Aussie...

They have to win the Australian Government over first. Gulf region carriers are having a hard time getting more access to Australia. EK wants to double it's capacity over the next 5 years. QR wants daily flights. If they all asked for access to other cities which aren't SYD or MEL they might have more luck. On the flip side, the demand out of other cities is alot less then Sydney or Melbourne.
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 4):
They have to win the Australian Government over first. Gulf region carriers are having a hard time getting more access to Australia. EK wants to double it's capacity over the next 5 years. QR wants daily flights. If they all asked for access to other cities which aren't SYD or MEL they might have more luck. On the flip side, the demand out of other cities is alot less then Sydney or Melbourne.

So, the possibility is close to nil for now....
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:09 pm

I get a weekly newsletter from a reputable Australian Travel Agency. I notice that they have started selling QR fares. These are obviously not all flown on QR but on their codeshare partners TG (and possibly SQ) from memory, as far as Doha and the QR onwards. The fare details explained this with a note saying that QR expect to be flying here in 2007.
QR has not mentioned Australia as one of its new destinations for 2007 in its recent press launch and as said above, the CAA are in no hurry to let them in.

When I first heard of QR applying for Australian routes, maybe 2 years ago, they were only applying for Melbourne and not Sydney. BA has recently stopped flying to Melbourne and OS will join the list too soon. That leaves no European airlines flying into Melbourne and as far as I am aware, no increased capacity to make up for the loss of the 2 airlines. It seems that Melbourne customers could do with some increased competition.

With Melbourne also having the largest expat Italian community outside of Italy, not to mention the Lebanese, Greek, Maltese and Turkish expat communities, the CAA tend to forget that not everyone departing Australia wants to fly to London!

Emirates might have dirt cheap fares to London but try finding a cheap ticket to one of the above destinations. I think it is a shame that QR and EY can not get frequencies to at least Melbourne, both for extra capacity on the European routes and for competition against EK on the Mediterranean/Middle Eastern routes.  Sad
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:01 pm

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):

I agree with you! In my eyes a big market is closed for others by the CAA.
And what about PER and BNE (and also DWN)? What kind of traffic and the demand are here located?
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:11 pm

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):
QR has not mentioned Australia as one of its new destinations for 2007 in its recent press launch and as said above, the CAA are in no hurry to let them in.

QR has been granted access. From memory they have 3 flights per week, however they want daily flights.
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Their 777-300s have to be seen to be believed, especially cos there's usually only about 60 people onboard. Yum.

Their 77Ws are lovely but the A345s are even nicer. Absolutely mind-blowing.
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:11 pm

Actually, CASA has nothing to do with allowing access to international carriers. That's done by the International Air Services Commission.

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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 6):
Emirates might have dirt cheap fares to London but try finding a cheap ticket to one of the above destinations. I think it is a shame that QR and EY can not get frequencies to at least Melbourne, both for extra capacity on the European routes and for competition against EK on the Mediterranean/Middle Eastern routes.

Doing a quick research, I find about the same prices for MEL-LHR than for MEL-IST, MEL-MXP, MEL-ATH, etc...about 1,400 EUR/1,800 USD. On EK, no significant difference whatever European airport you take within their network..
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 10):
Actually, CASA has nothing to do with allowing access to international carriers. That's done by the International Air Services Commission.

Not quite.

The IASC allocates capacity to Australian carriers only, but only after capacity has been negotiated by the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 12):

Argh got me  Smile Stupid DOTARS and their numerous departments.
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting AirLittoral (Reply 11):
Doing a quick research, I find about the same prices for MEL-LHR than for MEL-IST, MEL-MXP, MEL-ATH, etc...about 1,400 EUR/1,800 USD. On EK, no significant difference whatever European airport you take within their network..

That's the problem. Why should people flying on EK to Athens/Istanbul/Amman/Beirut have to pay the same price as those flying on to London? They are significantly closer to Dubai than London.
 
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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 14):
That's the problem. Why should people flying on EK to Athens/Istanbul/Amman/Beirut have to pay the same price as those flying on to London? They are significantly closer to Dubai than London.

What does distance have to do with price? It is only a small, possiabley very small part of the whole story.

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RE: Is Etihad Flying To Australia

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 12):
The IASC allocates capacity to Australian carriers only, but only after capacity has been negotiated by the Department of Transport and Regional Services (DOTARS).

IASC is a DOTARS branch.

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