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Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:34 pm

I don't know much about the 757-300 or the number CO have in their fleet...

I was reading that the 757-300 hs a range of 3700nm, would this not make it possible to cover routes to Western Europe from their EWR hub?

Surely if CO were to take 777's and 767's off their major routes to destinations like LGW, MAD, CDG, AMS and wherever else the widebodies operate it would open these aircraft up for longer leg routes without much of a capacity drop.

I know ATA operate their 757-300's to SNN, BUD and a few other destinations?

[Edited 2006-11-29 14:39:59]
 
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RE: Continentals 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I was reading that the 757-300 hs a range of 3700nm, would this not make it possible to cover routes to Western Europe from their EWR hub?

Possible? yes. Likely, no. CO only has 17 753s, and they mainly like to use them to Florida, California, and other vacation destinations with a lot of traffic.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:48 pm

The range with RB211-535E4Bs is 3395nms.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:23 pm

Also I believe with a full load of passengers and a bunch of fuel there wouldn't be a lot of room for cargo weight. Cargo is extremely important on alot of these European or international flights as a whole.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I don't know much about the 757-300 or the number CO have in their fleet...

All of CO's 757-300s are in a domestic configuration with 24 domestic first class seats and 192 economy seats. All of CO's 757-200s are now in an International config with 16 BusinessFirst seats. All of the International 757-200s are in the process of being upgraded with an AVOD system.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:32 am

A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul. Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding. I´ve once flown to the US in a 757, I´ll never again do that.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:36 am

CO makes big money on the 752s trans-atlantic, even if they are uncomfortable, bad, etc. etc.
I think cargo and using them for leisure markets are the two reasons 753s are not going across the pond. Maybe in the future, they will fly EWR-LGW or DUB. I imagine CASM would be fairly good
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul. Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding. I´ve once flown to the US in a 757, I´ll never again do that.

I think airline management will disagree with you. LH may agree with you, but the wingletted '75 is a hugely impressive performer over the pond. CO, AY, US, AA, TCX, and soon NW all think so.

I dont think the '75 is any more or less cramped or uncomfortable than anything else on a six hour run, whether its transatlantic or not. Ive been on the CO 752 across the pond - very nice.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:43 am

Actually we have 2 configurations on the 757-300. 12 first and 210 coach as well as 24/192 like AKelly said.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 3):
Also I believe with a full load of passengers and a bunch of fuel there wouldn't be a lot of room for cargo weight. Cargo is extremely important on alot of these European or international flights as a whole.

Does the 752 have that much cargo capacity on transatlantics anyway?

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 4):
All of CO's 757-200s are now in an International config with 16 BusinessFirst seats.

I was on two CO 752s (both with winglets) very recently, and it didn't look like they had BusinessFirst.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul. Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding. I´ve once flown to the US in a 757, I´ll never again do that.

You've been spoiled. How would you have survived the 707s and DC-8s that were doing long haul in the 60s and 70s?

Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 8):
Actually we have 2 configurations on the 757-300. 12 first and 210 coach as well as 24/192 like AKelley said.

I thought all of the 757-300s had been converted to 24/192?
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 3):
Also I believe with a full load of passengers and a bunch of fuel there wouldn't be a lot of room for cargo weight. Cargo is extremely important on alot of these European or international flights as a whole.

I can't imagine that the -200s are carrying much cargo. The -300 would only be useful for a couple of routes (due to range restrictions) and it woulnd't make much sense to configure a couple of -300s for that purpose, and lose their ability to swap them on domestic runs. In addition, they can swap 739s for many domestic routes that used 752s before, but they don't have anything that can match the 753.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
LH may agree with you, but the wingletted '75 is a hugely impressive performer over the pond. CO, AY, US, AA, TCX, and soon NW all think so.

US and TCX to get retro fitted winglets?

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:03 am

On reason may be that while CO's 757-300's may have that range under ideal conditions, you often don't have 'ideal' conditions. It isn't uncommon for example for 757's, including -200's designed for longer range, to have to make an intermediate fuel stop in Eastern Canada on westbound flights due to high fuel burn from stronger than usual jet stream headwinds on westbound flights. At other times, bad weather at destination airports (especially EWR) will cause landing delays and one needs enough reserve range and fuel for such delays. Such fuel stops can also screw up a landing slot as well as connecting flight schedules for the a/c or the pax as well as the additional costs of such stops.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:05 am

yes, we have moved our 757-300s back to the 24/192 configuration. Our 753's that we took from Boeing are also not ETOPS equipped. Only the ATA 753s are. As for cargo on our atlantic 757-200s, we pack them deep. LIS actually sometimes sees 8000lb of mail stacked on board.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:42 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul. Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding. I´ve once flown to the US in a 757, I´ll never again do that.

Thats your opinion and the opinion of probably a lot of people on airliners.net. (Including mine, but I just trying to put this in the perspective of the airline!) The average Joe public they probably don't care as seat pitch/width is the same.

I have several friends who live close to BRS and BHX in the UK who have taken CO across and they have had nothing but praise for service. They were so thankful they could get a scheduled flight across the pond from their local airport and could avoid the hell hole what is known as LHR!

Why would it be more of a nightmare at boarding than it currently is on domestic flights?

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 6):
I imagine CASM would be fairly good

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 15):
Mr X - What does CASM mean to us mere mortals?

CASM - "Cost per Available Seat Mile"
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul.

Yes. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, nobody flies them anymore; they're too crowded.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:21 am

All our 753s (17) have capacity of 24/192. Ships 851-859, 861, 863-869. They are used on non-Business/First markets. They won't be used on trans-Atlantic runs for scheduled service.

Also, as of this December, all of our 752s (41) will be wingleted and capacity of 16/159 with the new video system in place.

Now we wait for AVOD IFE in coach starting sometime next year. They are here to stay.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:56 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul.



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 17):
Yes. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, nobody flies them anymore; they're too crowded.

Well... good thing for Boeing the 757 was never intended for long haul eh? Long Medium at best... Even the 752 doesn't break the 5000nm range.

"Nobody flies them anymore" huh? Is that why they can't get enough of them now? Why so many are getting ETOPS added and winglets and doing many many international routes? I hardly think that nobody wants them anymore...

They are no more crowded than a 747 in coach or any other 17.2" seat...
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 19):
"Nobody flies them anymore" huh? Is that why they can't get enough of them now?

The Yogi Berra attribution didn't tip you off? Not even a hint?  worried 
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:33 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 20):
The Yogi Berra attribution didn't tip you off? Not even a hint?

Oops... yeah i feel like an idiot right now. LOL

I was thinking "crowded" as in small... sorry my mind was on work...
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:42 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 10):
You've been spoiled. How would you have survived the 707s and DC-8s that were doing long haul in the 60s and 70s?

I was to young back then and my parents didn´t take me on intercontinental flights. I would have preferred to cross the pond in the Queen Mary back then anyway!

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 19):
They are no more crowded than a 747 in coach or any other 17.2" seat...

But widebodies give a more spacious feeling as they are actually that, more spacious, the sides less bend, harming your feet, the baggage compartments less tightening head space, you can walk a bit what is almost impossible in a narrowbody.
And a widebody is more stable in flight. Nothing, absolutely nothing would make me choose a narrowbody on long-haul anymore.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting NA (Reply 22):
And a widebody is more stable in flight.

That's debatable.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:50 am

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Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding. I´ve once flown to the US in a 757, I´ll never again do that.

I am a huge Boeing 757 fan and enjoy my flights on them. However, I agree that they would get uncomfortable on longer flights (4+ hours). A widebody is more spacious and gives you the feel of not being in a cramped in a narrow tube.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting NA (Reply 22):
But widebodies give a more spacious feeling as they are actually that, more spacious, the sides less bend, harming your feet, the baggage compartments less tightening head space, you can walk a bit what is almost impossible in a narrowbody.
And a widebody is more stable in flight. Nothing, absolutely nothing would make me choose a narrowbody on long-haul anymore.

A more spacious feeling doesn't change the fact that you still have a 17.2" x 31" box for yourself while sitting in a Y seat. If that slight bend in the wall is causing you issues, don't sit at the windows, and baggage compartments (i'm assuming you mean over head bins?) are still at the same basic height over your head irrelevant of the aircraft.

Show me some information... anywhere that backs up your claim that a widebody is actually more stable in flight than a narrowbody?

Aside from all that... show me a narrow body actually doing long haul and i'll agree with you... but 4000nm isn't long haul.

I think what you have actually described is a personal problem with claustrophobia... not that WB's are better than NB's for (for accuracy sake) medium haul flights.

After all that has been said... i personally prefer WB's because they are less common and breaks up the monotony of NB flights all the time, they aren't any more comfortable in Y than any other plane. But if i'm going to save a few hundred bucks taking a NB across the pond instead of a WB, screw it... im going.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 23):
That's debatable.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:10 am

I know NW will start 757 service to Europe so it is definetely possible. They might be going from Connecticut though.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 23):
That's debatable.

Very true... I always thought it was true as I have flown on 763´s and A300´s and they were a bit more stable then my normal A320´s and 737´s. I recently flew MIA-LAX on a 772 and this thing rocked thw whole damn way down. I guess it just really depends on the weather...

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:38 am

but why must our butts start feeling numb? bottoms make for a difficult time........

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 2):
The range with RB211-535E4Bs is 3395nms.

With that range, it may, only may, be able to go nonstop on an eastbound flight, however it will require a fuelstop on the westbound.

Remember that DE has a seasonal HAJ-YYZ flight, which is flown with a 753. On the HAJ-YYZ route, the plane makes a fuelstop in YHZ, but when leaving YYZ, the flight goes nonstop.

Bottom line: I seriously doubt that flying a 757-300 across the Atlantic is economically and technically viable for CO, unless it's flights to Iceland, like FI may do. DE probably does it with HAJ-YYZ because first, they don't have any 752s available for it (don't know if the now completely phased out 752s flown by DE have the PW2037 or PW2040, this could have also been a factor) and cannot spare any 763s for the route because of demand and because their widebodes are needed for higher demand and/or longrage ops.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
A 757, even worse a 757-300, isn´t competitive on long haul. Too narrow, too cramped, and a nightmare on boarding

I just returned from my honeymoon cruise on November 11th, we flew EWR-Barcelona-EWR on a CO 757-200 in coach.

The EWR-BCN segment was 7 hours, the BCN-EWR segment was 8.5 hours (strong head wind?). Both segments were full, no open seats. Almost all retired people from Florida, Arizona etc catching a cruise from Barcelona.

Everyone seemed to be comfortable and enjoying themselves, my wife who is is very claustrophobic and has some nervousness during flying thought both flights were probably her best.

The 757 is perfectly suited for many Trans-Atlantic markets, 8.5 hours on the return leg definately felt longer than the flight to Barcelona but I think that had more to do with the fact that the whole flight was during the day time. However whether it was a 747-400 or 757-200 it would have felt no different imo, comfort in coach was fine (im 5.11 tall).

To quote the catch phrase of my favorite tv show, "Mythbusted" with regards to trans-Atlantic 757s being uncomfortable.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Beech19 (Reply 25):
Aside from all that... show me a narrow body actually doing long haul and i'll agree with you... but 4000nm isn't long haul.

That's your one point I don't agree with. 4,000 miles can be a 10+ hour flight if you hit the jetstream the wrong way.

Simple fact of the matter is perception. Int'l narrowbodies and widebodies have the same seats, the same amount of room for the individual, the same bins, amenities, etc. And, if you're stuck in a middle seat of a middle row in coach on a widebody, wouldn't you be more irked than being in an aisle or middle on a narrowbody?
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
LH may agree with you, but the wingletted '75 is a hugely impressive performer over the pond

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlant

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 14):
Only the ATA 753s

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
It isn't uncommon for example for 757's, including -200's designed for longer range, to have to make an intermediate fuel stop in Eastern Canada on westbound flights due to high fuel burn from stronger than usual jet stream headwinds on westbound flights.

Yes, this does sometimes happen. But you should provide the data regarding exactly how often this ACTUALLY happens so the reader can determine what you mean by "not uncommon." Do you say "not uncommon" only because this happened to you personally?

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
At other times, bad weather at destination airports (especially EWR) will cause landing delays and one needs enough reserve range and fuel for such delays. Such fuel stops can also screw up a landing slot as well as connecting flight schedules for the a/c or the pax as well as the additional costs of such stops.

This is true, but again, the benefits must outweigh the costs of irregular operations. Furthermore, widebodies have also had to divert as well.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:41 am

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And, if you're stuck in a middle seat of a middle row in coach on a widebody, wouldn't you be more irked than being in an aisle or middle on a narrowbody?

Thats why I like the 767. The 2X3X2 seating on Y-Class makes it where your never more than 1 seat from an aisle. I can imagine being stuck in the middle seat of a MD-11. That would suck.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am

Better 5 hours on a 757 than 2 on CRJ.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 2):
The range with RB211-535E4Bs is 3395nms.



Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 10):

You've been spoiled. How would you have survived the 707s and DC-8s that were doing long haul in the 60s and 70s?



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 17):

Yes. To paraphrase Yogi Berra, nobody flies them anymore; they're too crowded.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:56 am

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 34):
Yes, this does sometimes happen. But you should provide the data regarding exactly how often this ACTUALLY happens so the reader can determine what you mean by "not uncommon." Do you say "not uncommon" only because this happened to you personally?

I don't know if this makes it common or uncommon but I usually see 2 or 3 CO 752's stopping at BGR on there way back to the USA on the weekends. Not every weekend but probably 2 to 3 weekends a month. Hope this helps.

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 10):
You've been spoiled. How would you have survived the 707s and DC-8s that were doing long haul in the 60s and 70s?

The Boeing website lists the cabin width of the 707 series as 11' 6" and the 757 cabin width as 11' 7" so I don't think there would be any difference at all between those 60's and 70's flights and a flight in a 757!!
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:04 pm

I love 757 flights too. They're very fun except when you get a seat that minimises body room (the seats that have closed sides and you pull your tray from the sides).

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:08 pm

Quoting DC10extender (Reply 26):
I know NW will start 757 service to Europe so it is definetely possible. They might be going from Connecticut though.

NW will be using a special sub-fleet of 757-200's that will have winglets and a modified World Business Class from DTW, EWR, BOS, and BDL to Europe. They will not be using the 757-300, which is used for high-demand domestic routes and West Coast-Hawaii.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 40):
NW will be using a special sub-fleet of 757-200's that will have winglets and a modified World Business Class from DTW, EWR, BOS, and BDL to Europe.

That sub fleet also has two things which increases the range of the 752 so they can make Europe-DTW nonstop a possiblity.

1) Reduced number of Y seats...lessening the load. I believe the Y class has 34" pitch; normal NW Y pitch is 31"-32".

2) The entire subfleet has winglets.

If you take out one of these two things, a fuel stop would be required before reaching DTW.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:35 pm

Will any 757-300's get winglets (or are there any already outfitted)
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 30):
To quote the catch phrase of my favorite tv show, "Mythbusted" with regards to trans-Atlantic 757s being uncomfortable.

Don´t get me wrong, I enjoy the 757 on flights of up to 3 or 4 hours, above that its inferior to any widebody. I´ve done that, and therefore I call it experience, not myth.
 
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 12):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 7):
LH may agree with you, but the wingletted '75 is a hugely impressive performer over the pond. CO, AY, US, AA, TCX, and soon NW all think so.

US and TCX to get retro fitted winglets?

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting NA (Reply 43):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 30):
To quote the catch phrase of my favorite tv show, "Mythbusted" with regards to trans-Atlantic 757s being uncomfortable.

Don�t get me wrong, I enjoy the 757 on flights of up to 3 or 4 hours, above that its inferior to any widebody. I�ve done that, and therefore I call it experience, not myth.

I fully agree with you! Had to fly earlier this year MUC - TFS, it was a 4-5 hours flight and a horrible experience in Condor's 757-300.
I will give you just a number that makes clear the huge difference btw single and double aisle planes.
Pleople sharing an aisle: (Y class)
B767: 3.5
A330/340: 4
B777: 4.5
320/737/757: 6

You see now? I personally would never take a narrow body across the Atlantic in cattle class...
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:24 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
4,000 miles can be a 10+ hour flight if you hit the jetstream the wrong way.

True... as you said i guess its just perception. With 6000-8000nm+ long flights being common place i look at the "status quo" for long haul moving on the scale a little. 4000nm to me seems pretty short in comparison... but i guess flying eastbound it wouldn't be too bad. Westbound could suck with bad winds...

Quoting N766UA (Reply 31):
And, if you're stuck in a middle seat of a middle row in coach on a widebody, wouldn't you be more irked than being in an aisle or middle on a narrowbody?

That is my biggest complaint about widebodies, being stuck in the middle section. I don't mind being in the middle seat of a 3-3 but i used to get stuck in the middle of NW DC-10's and i hated them, but they were one of my favorites when i would get a 2 seat side window to myself.  Wink

I think part of the problem with being stuck in the middle of a WB is the size of the windows on a/c right now and how they are not viewable from anywhere except basically the two window seats.

Without saying too much...I can tell you first hand i've seen and worked around the new 787 test barrels and they are HUGE. We have a 767 "barrel" (wing stub section) next to it for comparison. Its just amazing... the 787 windows will extend above the seat backs so all will be able to see out also. Its gonna be nice...
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 10):
thought all of the 757-300s had been converted to 24/192?

Guess you are right. I fly them often and haven't noticed the 12/210 in a while but still have that configuration on my id card backer for 757/767 differences. Need to update my card I guess.

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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:59 am

Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 47):
Guess you are right. I fly them often and haven't noticed the 12/210 in a while but still have that configuration on my id card backer for 757/767 differences. Need to update my card I guess.



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 18):
All our 753s (17) have capacity of 24/192. Ships 851-859, 861, 863-869. They are used on non-Business/First markets. They won't be used on trans-Atlantic runs for scheduled service.

Also, as of this December, all of our 752s (41) will be wingleted and capacity of 16/159 with the new video system in place.

Now we wait for AVOD IFE in coach starting sometime next year. They are here to stay.
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RE: Why No Continental 757-300's Across The Atlantic?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 48):
Now we wait for AVOD IFE in coach starting sometime next year. They are here to stay

We will be doing those mods in MCO on coach in the spring I bekieve. We have been doing the First class Mods for awhile. We are also going to be doing the C checks on then come march. MCO will be the maintenance base for the 757.
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