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Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:48 pm

I found the following quote by Mr Leahy to be interesting. As some on this site are aware Airbus usually book the majority of their orders in the second half of the year. On November 22, Mr Leahy said the following;

According to sales data up to mid-November, he said, Airbus had won orders for 619 aircraft, the second-best sales year in its history, against 829 new orders won by Boeing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15856670/

As of the end of October Airbus had 467 total orders year to date yet by the 22nd of November they've added 152 which is quite a lot of frames.

Looking at pending and announced orders I can find a few that would contribute to the number such as;

52 x A32X for EasyJet announced Nov 14th

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7070

37 x A319/A320/A321 & A332 for TAM announced Nov 16th

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a9ye1.mNEO_4

6 x A320 for ALAFCO announced Oct 31 and re-affirmed Nov 14th

2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7059

That gives us 97 frames that I can see affirmed until that date thus leaving 55 frames of which we don't know whom they could for. Mr Leahy gave no indication as to the breakdown between widebodies and narrowbodies but with these 4 orders accounted for officially and prior to the 22nd I assume they will be included on their O&D website when it is updated.

Leaves me to ask the following;

1: Have Airbus "firmed up" previous commitments such as
Grupo Marsans for 12 x A332, announced July 19 at Farnborough
GoAir India for 10 x A32X, announced February 22nd, affirmed at Farnborough
Afriqiyah Airways for 9 x A32X & 3 x A332, announced July 18 at Farnborough
Adam Air Indonesia LoI for 30 x A32X announced February, 23rd 2006

2: That's just a few outstanding LoI's that I could come up with and it doesn't include SQ or QF A380s. More importantly there are still outstanding RFPs and this maybe an indication that they have won an rder campaign which is yet to be announced, one such example would be Vueling Airlines;

On expanding the fleet. Vueling currently operates about 28 daily routes with 14 Airbus SAS A320 jets:

''We're going to expand the fleet. Now we have 14 planes, and we've already ordered 16 more aircraft. This means that we're going to run 30 jets on a regime of operating leasing.''

''We want to review our options to buy new aircraft either from Airbus or from Boeing. We're going to make our first big order.''


Which was quoted on November 21st.

Are there any other RFPs or campaigns out there which could be included or add on orders from existing customers such as AZ whom may consider replacing MD-80s, finance permitting. As you can see Airbus have many pending orders though, to me, it appears they may have won an order in the range of 30 to 40 frames which we don't know about yet.

I would appreciate any clarification and please note that whilst this thread is posted in relation to Airbus orders, in no way, do I wish to see any A v B heated discussion ensue, as I seek information. A look at most of my previous posts would show I mainly enquire or post about orders in a fair and equitable manner, I ask that the responses are of the same nature.

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:02 pm

Hi PanAm_DC10,

Well you have brought up an interesting topic. From what I can remember from the top of my head, Airbus also has the following pending orders:

Transaero 8x A332 + A32X
Jagson A32X?
Kingfisher A345 + A32x?


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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Transaero 8x A332 + A32X

Hi Wings That'll be 4 x A32X announced on September 22nd

Quoting WINGS (Reply 1):
Kingfisher A345 + A32x?

Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24, I am not aware of any oustanding A32X series for them. Would be happy to stand corrected though.

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:12 pm

The 8 extra QF A388s should be in that figure, and maybe the MEA orders are included?
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:13 pm

Hi PanAm_DC10,

The 619 aircraft might exclude cancellations.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th

Unless it is a different order, these were already included in the total until the end of october.


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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:20 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24

These were announced but don't appear on the O&D spreadsheet yet.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:29 pm

Easy Jet ordered 52 x A319. That is probably included in the list.
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:30 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
The 619 aircraft might exclude cancellations.

Do you mean exclude or include?

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2 x A320 for Airblue of Pakistan announced Nov 14th


Unless it is a different order, these were already included in the total until the end of october.

True though if IIRC they ordered 2 and optioned 4, I was of the impression 2 options had been exercised.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 5):
These were announced but don't appear on the O&D spreadsheet yet

That's right Scouseflyer, as are some of the LoIs I have already listed. Airbus seem to have a larger amount of announced, pending, orders which take sometime to be firmed. That is why they usually book the majority of their orders firm in the decond half. These 5 x A345 for Kingfisher are one such case

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 7):
Do you mean exclude or include?

The 619 sold aircraft without deducting any cancelled orders (Brutt).

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 7):
I was of the impression 2 options had been exercised.

I didn't know that. Thanks for the update.
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:16 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 6):
Easy Jet ordered 52 x A319. That is probably included in the list.

Thanks Glareskin but I included that in my original post.

Quoting Manni (Reply 10):
I didn't know that. Thanks for the update.

I could be wrong but we'll have this months update next week so I'll correct if need.

As an aside, below is a link to the Airbus O&D spreadsheet so you can see what is firmed and what is not;

http://www.airbus.com/en/corporate/orders_and_deliveries/

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):

Kingfisher is 5 x A345, announced April 24, I am not aware of any oustanding A32X series for them. Would be happy to stand corrected though.

You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending, although I would not be surprised to see Kingfisher placing more orders for the A32X series.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
The 8 extra QF A388s should be in that figure, and maybe the MEA orders are included?

QF yes although I would expect an eventual order from MEA booked in December or early 2007.

How about Tap Portugal? Mr Fernando Pinto Tap's CEO, has recently mentioned, that they are negotiating with Airbus acquiring more A330's, due to the latter arrival of the A350X. I would also expect that Tap Portugal will look into the fleet replacement of Portugalia (PGA). Even though I would believe that Portugalia will opt for the E170/190 combo.

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Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:22 pm

Oh and there's the LCC in negotiations to but A330s
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:23 pm

Well here is the topic about Tap acquiring additional A330's, posted by PanAm_DC10.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...d=3072776&s=tap+portugal#ID3072776

It's strange that I have recently forgotten about Tap's intention in acquiring some more A330's to offset the late arrival of the A350X.

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
As of the end of October Airbus had 467 total orders year to date

May be just me, PanAm_DC10, but I'm sure I recall Airbus having collected 508 orders in the year to October, according to their spreadsheet.

For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the orders page just now, but I printed one off at the beginning of the month, and it shows 508.

That would leave you looking for 111 new orders.

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the orders page just now, but I printed one off at the beginning of the month, and it shows 508.

Yup, the O&D spreadsheet does show 508 orders to end October 2006.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:52 am

What about the further 75 options that easyJet agreed for an additional A32X? They got 52 firm orders plus a further 75 extra options totalling 127 now

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):
What about the further 75 options that easyJet agreed for an additional A32X? They got 52 firm orders plus a further 75 extra options totalling 127 now

Options dont get included in the order count (no matter how much some people here like to think Airbus fiddles the order counts...)
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
2: That's just a few outstanding LoI's that I could come up with and it doesn't include SQ or QF A380s

I think those are included, all the media is reporting 166 A380 firm orders ( 159 - 10 + 18) since mid November.
I don't know it they "copied" each other or if they have an not yet public figure.
A few examples:
Delivery on Track
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:55 am

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 8):
Well, China "ordered" 150 A32x planes in November and, if last year was an indicator, Airbus is going to count the purchase agreement as firm even though the full contractuals are not completed.

Sorry to disappoint, but they're already counted.  rotfl 

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
May be just me, PanAm_DC10, but I'm sure I recall Airbus having collected 508 orders in the year to October, according to their spreadsheet.

You know what? Now I know why you're called Astuteman my apologies for the error, so indeed I'm looking for....

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
That would leave you looking for 111 new orders.

....from the end of October, thank you and Richard for pointing it out  Embarrassment

If that was to the 23rd of November it's still going to be another good month for Airbus and Easyjet and TAM seem to cover 89 of those frames and still looking for another 22 frames to that date.

To try and spare me further embarrassment let's see whether they do get close to booking 152 frames this month  Smile

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending, although I would not be surprised to see Kingfisher placing more orders for the A32X series.

Doesn't Kingfisher also have 5 A332s on order as well??
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 12):
You are correct PanAm_DC10, they currently have 5x A345 pending

I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ. My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:32 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ.

Kingfisher wouldn't get the A345HGW if they bought SQ's A345s. Though, I'm not sure if that would matter on the routes Kingfisher wants to fly...

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):
My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.

That was at least what SQ said earlier this year when they turned the 77L down.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 21):
You know what? Now I know why you're called Astuteman my apologies for the error, so indeed I'm looking for....

FWIW the second boat of class is called HMS "Ambush".......  Wink

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 22):
Doesn't Kingfisher also have 5 A332s on order as well??

That order was firmed up last year.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 23):

I'm surprised that they don't buy them from SQ. My understanding is that resale value was the obstacle to SQ replacing their A340-500s with B777-200LRs.

Well Brendows explained it rather well. I'm sure that the new A345HGW will have all the early bugs soughted out, that SQ experienced.

I'm not also sure if the HGW version of the A345 is actually more economical then the previous non HGW.

So know one thinks that Tap is a candidate to some orders this year?


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Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 26):
So know one thinks that Tap is a candidate to some orders this year?

Well Wings that all comes down to the new deal to replace the original A350 order. If they don't order 5 this year, then Q1 2007 it shall be.

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 27):

Well Wings that all comes down to the new deal to replace the original A350 order. If they don't order 5 this year, then Q1 2007 it shall be.

Well fingers crossed PanAm_DC10. I'm sure that TAP's management must feel like a bunch of idiots after they cancelled two A332's on order early this year. Mind you that it was cancelled because they were able to obtain 3x PW A332's (ex Bluewings).

I'm even more curious to see both Tap's and Portugalias short/medium haul fleet options in the near future. Now that Tap Portugal has bought Portugalia, It will be interesting to see if Tap will opt to equip Portugalia with some A32X. This way they would be able to obtain some fleet commodity.

I know that Portugalia were looking into replacing it's Fokker's and E145 with the 170/190 series, but now that Tap has taken control I would assume that the A32X will also have chance. Who know we might even see a future A318 operator (I wish).  Smile

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 28):
Who know we might even see a future A318 operator (I wish).

I hope so the "Micro-bus" looks so cool!
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:30 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 26):
I'm not also sure if the HGW version of the A345 is actually more economical then the previous non HGW.

In terms of fuel burn, no, since the HGW has a higher OEW and thus a higher fuel burn. But it can take a higher payload and/or carry it a bit further (depending on what weight option of the HGW they have chosen,) perhaps making some routes a bit more viable.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:57 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 30):

In terms of fuel burn, no, since the HGW has a higher OEW and thus a higher fuel burn. But it can take a higher payload and/or carry it a bit further (depending on what weight option of the HGW they have chosen,) perhaps making some routes a bit more viable.

The engines on the HGW have been improved to reduce fuel burn vs non HGW. Even though it may not be apparent with the increased weight of the A340HGW.


A340-600 HGW

Benefiting from A380 technology, reduced maintenance costs, and the latest development of Rolls-Royce Trent 500 engines, the new 380 tonne A340-600, with typical seating of 380 passengers in three-class comfort, provides up to 18% higher compared to earlier variants and travels 250 nm (463 km) further, up to 7,900 nm (14,600 km).


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s/06_04_14_certifies_a3400600.html

The new HGW variant will also features some additional improvements such as laser beam welding, which should help reduce maintenance costs.

From what I can conclude Kingfisher will be getting a more capable and mature airplane to what Singapore Airlines received. The A345 HGW will have an increased range of 600 km compared to non HGW.

Airbus A340-500 16.100km/ 16.700km (HGW) Increase of 280km
Airbus A340-600 14.360km/ 14.600km (HGW) Increase of 600km

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
The engines on the HGW have been improved to reduce fuel burn vs non HGW. Even though it may not be apparent with the increased weight of the A340HGW.

The non-HGW of the A340NG should also benefit from any improvements/modifications that the engines receive, since both versions use the same engines, but with a different thrust rating.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
provides up to 18% higher compared to earlier variants

Higher what? ill  Hm, wonder what word Airbus dropped out in that sentence...?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 31):
From what I can conclude Kingfisher will be getting a more capable and mature airplane to what Singapore Airlines received.

Yes, that is definitively true WINGS  Smile
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:33 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 21):
If that was to the 23rd of November it's still going to be another good month for Airbus and Easyjet and TAM seem to cover 89 of those frames and still looking for another 22 frames to that date.

Didn't Petters and Jet Alliance both order a A318, while Boutsen ordered 2 A319? The latter might be included as Private customer in the September update. That leaves 2 that might be included in the 22, and after subtracting 6 for Alafco, we are looking for 14 new orders.
SQ 9 and QF 8 A380 would be too much. There are a couple of pending orders consisting of 12 aircraft each: Grupo Marsans 330, Afriqiyah 330/320, Transaero 330/320, QF 380/330. One of these and 2 A320 of Israir http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...neral_aviation/read.main/3103237/, would make 14. Or Jazeera's 6 A320 and MEA's 8 330/319. or some combination with a new unknown customer..... We will know next week. And hopefully it will be a total of 152 firm orders!  Wink
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:45 pm

I just spotted on the A350 page on Airbus's website that Singapore is listed as a launch customer for the A350XWB with a commitment for up to 40 frames. Is this old news, or could it be in these 'missing' orders somewhere?
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting Bobski (Reply 32):
I just spotted on the A350 page on Airbus's website that Singapore is listed as a launch customer for the A350XWB with a commitment for up to 40 frames. Is this old news, or could it be in these 'missing' orders somewhere?

These were announced at Farnborough but only as commitments not firm orders - but with the possible/probabble announcement today they could be announcing 20 A350 + 9 A380s for SQ?
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:14 pm

Quoting Brendows (Reply 30):

The non-HGW of the A340NG should also benefit from any improvements/modifications that the engines receive, since both versions use the same engines, but with a different thrust rating.

I would love to get my hands on info, that was specific to the gains one would get in equipping the non HGW engines with the improvements applied to the A345/6 HGW.

Quoting Brendows (Reply 30):
Higher what? ill Hm, wonder what word Airbus dropped out in that sentence...?

I asked myself the very same question. I would imagine it would be operating efficiency vs the A342/3. But that's just a guess.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 33):

These were announced at Farnborough but only as commitments not firm orders - but with the possible/probabble announcement today they could be announcing 20 A350 + 9 A380s for SQ?

Correct Scouseflyer. Both of these orders still remain an LOI.

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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 29):
The engines on the HGW have been improved to reduce fuel burn vs non HGW.

Wings d o you know how the A2 variant of the Trent 500s differ from the non A2??
 
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Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:49 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 35):

Wings d o you know how the A2 variant of the Trent 500s differ from the non A2??

Sorry mate, but it's not my area of expertise.  Sad But I'm confident that someone on this board will be more then kind enough to explain it.

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Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 35):
Wings d o you know how the A2 variant of the Trent 500s differ from the non A2??

I found out now. The A2 variant is a newer version of the Trent 500-series, which were certified a little under five years after the original variant. It has exactly the same thrust characteristics as the earlier versions, but the fuel burn is lower.
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Jdevora (Reply 17):
I think those are included, all the media is reporting 166 A380 firm orders ( 159 - 10 + 18) since mid November.
I don't know it they "copied" each other or if they have an not yet public figure.

Airbus themselves are reporting 166 firm orders and commitments:
http://www.airbus.com/store/mm_repos...a_object_file_A380_commitments.pdf
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:10 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 18):
Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 8):
Well, China "ordered" 150 A32x planes in November and, if last year was an indicator, Airbus is going to count the purchase agreement as firm even though the full contractuals are not completed.

Sorry to disappoint, but they're already counted.

Well not quite so, according to Airbus at least.
As everybody remembers, they had logged 150 ac ordered by CASC (20 A319s, 100 A320s and 30 A321s) in December 2005.
In their tally for October 2006, CASGC is credited for ordering on Oct.26, another 150 ac (40 A319s, 60 A320s and 50 A321s).
 
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Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 39):
Well not quite so, according to Airbus at least.
As everybody remembers, they had logged 150 ac ordered by CASC (20 A319s, 100 A320s and 30 A321s) in December 2005.
In their tally for October 2006, CASGC is credited for ordering on Oct.26, another 150 ac (40 A319s, 60 A320s and 50 A321s).

What do you mean? Its two seperate orders, both for 150 A320 family aircraft - its not the same order counted twice, its two orders counted seperately.
 
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 23):
FWIW the second boat of class is called HMS "Ambush".......

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Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 31):
We will know next week.

Indeed we will AMSSFO

Instead of looking for 111 orders for November we are now looking for 127 orders for that month because Airbus have 635 as of Thursday. That leaves us looking for 25 to get to....

Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 31):
a total of 152 firm orders!

......or more for the month of November  

Of those 127 it appears that 113 are for the A320 series and the other 12 are for A330/A340 series.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

[EDIT - To add breakdown of what is known to be booked so far in November]

[Edited 2006-12-01 23:13:42]
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breiz
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 40):
What do you mean? Its two seperate orders, both for 150 A320 family aircraft - its not the same order counted twice, its two orders counted seperately.

Right or wrong, according to Airbus' records, there are two orders of 150 ac, one in Dec. 2005 and one in Oct. 2006.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Breiz (Reply 42):
Right or wrong, according to Airbus' records, there are two orders of 150 ac, one in Dec. 2005 and one in Oct. 2006.

Yes, thats correct. There are 300 aircraft on order. Nothing wrong with the figures presented, so I fail to see your point here -

Quoting Breiz (Reply 39):
Well not quite so, according to Airbus at least.

- which was made in reply to -

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 18):
Sorry to disappoint, but they're already counted.

which in turn was made in reference to the October 2006 150 plane order.
 
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RE: Who Has Ordered 152 Airbus This Month

Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:07 pm

When does kingfisher get their A332s and A345s?
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