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Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:47 am

Nothing new.

NM is a complete disaster.

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours. The arrival information provided by the airline is a 12 hours delay. The passengers were transferred to a hotel in Madrid.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:05 am

How much longer can Air Madrid afford to pay for all these delays? (i.e. passenger compensation, hotel stays, etc.)
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:08 am

Today, Air Madrid is once again in the news (in Spanish):

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/178132/0/air/madrid/retrasos/
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:21 am

I was in EZE several times in the last few weeks. Each time, I saw an Air Madrid flight delayed by several hours.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:35 am

Well, at MAD the Air Madrid tickets/information desk is the only one, I think (well, maybe one of the few) equipped with a dick glass to separate employees and (usually angry) passengers. And the queues at the check-in desks are the longest in the whole airport (even longest than those of the US carriers, with their security-paranoia). The Spanish Civil Aviation Authority opened an investigation about Air Madrid but I am afraid they only concluded with a bunch of recommendations and no financial penalties. Air Madrid: a shame.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:06 am

Just a question, how much cash can you save by flying these airlines, instead of Iberia or any other legacy carrier, having in mind that time itself is more valuable than money ???

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 1):
How much longer can Air Madrid afford to pay for all these delays? (i.e. passenger compensation, hotel stays, etc.)

Good question. It's only a matter of time until they declare bankruptcy and if they do, it's because the people in charge of NM don't have the slightest idea of how to run a business.

While I'd feel for the employees who'd lose their jobs, I certainly won't miss NM if they go out of business because they had it coming.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):
Nothing new.

NM is a complete disaster.

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours. The arrival information provided by the airline is a 12 hours delay. The passengers were transferred to a hotel in Madrid.

Well, for another airline, a delay of 12 hours is a BIG delay.

For Air Madrid, a delay of 12 hours is to be in time... Big grin; last week a flight from EZE to BCN with stop in TFN was 47 hours late... and the plane, just arrived to BCN was parked due to several technical problems...

The solution of the many problems of Air Madrid is to seek more aircrafts, more pilots and crews and a partner who make the checks and council the airline what to do...
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:01 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
The solution of the many problems of Air Madrid is to seek more aircrafts, more pilots and crews and a partner who make the checks and council the airline what to do...

Can the public and the Civil Aviation authority of Spain just relax and wait for it to happen in the uncertain future ???

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):

Well, for another airline, a delay of 12 hours is a BIG delay.



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):

For Air Madrid, a delay of 12 hours is to be in time...

The aircraft is still at MAD. The estimated delay now is about 15 hours [but who knows for sure].
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:49 am

May I suggest to put a thread, once they run 10 flights in series on time..... Big grin

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:56 am

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 10):
May I suggest to put a thread, once they run 10 flights in series on time.....

Sounds like a fairy tale.  Wink
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:58 am

The sad thing is some of those pasengers have paid more than if they had chosen a legacy carrier.  banghead 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 12):
The sad thing is some of those pasengers have paid more than if they had chosen a legacy carrier.

And they advertise themselves as an LCC? If what you say is true, then NM is ripping passengers off, when they could have gotten a better deal and more reliable service from UX or IB.

Anyone know NM's slogan? It's "Elige bien, elige mejor" (Choose right, choose better). Maybe this should be a suggestion to all potential NM passengers and employees: If you want to choose right, choose to better NOT to fly or work for NM.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:37 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Thread starter):

I'm waiting for its arrival today[11/30] at 1500 hours.

And still waiting ...

Expected at 0230 hours December 1st..
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 2:46 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 14):
Expected at 0230 hours December 1st..

Are you talking about NM flight 841? Because it's now listed as confirmed with an ETA of 0325 hours LT.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:57 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Are you talking about NM flight 841? Because it's now listed as confirmed with an ETA of 0325 hours LT.

And they will really begin more services next year ???

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:09 pm

In today's paper here in Spain they say they want to go public in 2007. Who can be so dumb as to actually invest their money with them?  dopey 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:19 pm

I'm sorry if this may sound stupid but, I think that no one has actually explained what is causing the delays at Air Madrid.

Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:54 pm

BIG NEWS

Grupo Marsans is said to buy Air Madrid for the 'symbolic' amount of €1 (1 Euro).

EDIT: Air Madrid just denied this - announced intentions to come out as a public company, issue stock.

Air Madrid desmiente su venta a Marsans y anuncia su intención de salir a Bolsa - Spanish only

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):

Are you talking about NM flight 841?

Yes sir. My sister went to the airport to pick up my niece and the flight arrived around 0330 hours [not sure].

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):


Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

I think is the lack of equipment [among some other factors]. One of their seven aircrafts is out of service.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:52 am

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 7):
and the plane, just arrived to BCN was parked due to several technical problems...

It sounds scary.

I hope that their passengers don't know about that.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
And they will really begin more services next year ???

So it seems, but I suggest that everything related to NM starting service is taken with a very big grain of salt. The only reliable information on NM is about their delays.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 17):
In today's paper here in Spain they say they want to go public in 2007.

Question is: will they still be around in 2007?

Quoting WINGS (Reply 18):
Would someone be kind enough to point out all the recent delays and what was the primary cause?

It's simple: too few aircraft for far too many destinations. They got an overbloated network which goes into chaos as soon as one aircraft is AOG for one reason or the other.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 20):
Yes sir. My sister went to the airport to pick up my niece and the flight arrived around 0330 hours [not sure].

Ah OK, I see. Good to see that your niece made it back.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:31 am

Thanks a lot LTU !!!!!
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Anyone know NM's slogan? It's "Elige bien, elige mejor" (Choose right, choose better).

They also have another one that says "volve a volar por poco" which means "go back to flying for little (money)" but it could also mean "go back to barely flying"  Wink

Funny that one of the points they present on their webpage as "criterio operativo" (operational criteria) is "Mantener un producto altamente competitivo" (Keep a highly competitive product) ... now who exactly are they competing against? Airlines that actually fly?
http://www.airmadrid.com/compania04.jsp

It is unbelievable how NM is still around and why people still book flights with them. I pefer to pay a bit more and know that I will be taken from A to B normally, and most of all knowing that if there is a problem I will get a hotel, or be placed on another airline, or any other solution. NM's solutions are ... well, wait for 15 hours!

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
So it seems, but I suggest that everything related to NM starting service is taken with a very big grain of salt. The only reliable information on NM is about their delays.

Agree 100%. Seems that they need to start new services because sales on current markets drops as pax heard real histories about huge delays and problems. IMO it's not a reliable carrier.

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting XA744 (Reply 5):
Just a question, how much cash can you save by flying these airlines, instead of Iberia or any other legacy carrier, having in mind that time itself is more valuable than money ???

Was curious as well. Looked at a sample fare from Madrid to Peru on the same dates, and Iberia charge 1,344.47 EUR, whilst Air Madrid charge 798,47 EUR. Quite a price difference. I can now see why people would be inclined to fly NM.
However, it is worth noting that flying within spain, Iberia works out a lot cheaper.

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:56 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 24):

It is unbelievable how NM is still around and why people still book flights with them.

Unbelievable but true. NM is already booked until May 2007 according information released here [at SJO] by one of their services agent [a friend of mine] [a person that I trust but nothing official].

By the way, my niece told me, that most of the Spanish people flying Nov. 30, were complaining against IB, and in some way supporting NM. Sounds crazy to me.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 27):
NM is already booked until May 2007 according information released here [at SJO] by one of their services agent [a friend of mine] [a person that I trust but nothing official].

I don't want to dispute what your source says, but I find it hard to believe that NM at SJO is fully booked until May. But then again, I have not heard anything about NM here in the Costa Rican media, so the flying public may not be aware of what a horrible and unreliable airline NM is. Or maybe people here don't want to know and just book NM only because of the price.

I wonder if UX has ever been considering Central America as a destination. They also seem to be leisure oriented and given their many years in service, they could serve as formidable competition for NM and IB on flights to Spain, especially once more of their new A330s come online.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:09 pm

Quoting Spantax (Reply 4):
Well, at MAD the Air Madrid tickets/information desk is the only one, I think (well, maybe one of the few) equipped with a dick glass to separate employees and (usually angry) passengers.

Yes, that glass was not there before. Yesterday, Air Madrid had over 1000 passengers stranded in Barajas due to heavy delays, and some angry passengers were hitting this thick glass of the information desk with three employees inside. A flight to Quito with a delay of more than 2 days, according to the Spanish media.

News from today in Spanish newspaper El Pais:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/1000/...elpepunac/20061203elpepinac_19/Tes
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:36 am

My father had booked to fly Air Madrid frm TLS to Madrid and back a few weeks ago. Nobody from the airline had contacted him or any of the other passengers to inform them that the airline had cancelled this route altogether, so around 40 of them turned up to the airport with no flight to board. Apparently it was chaotic while most pax were shuffled onto the Iberia services, though it too kall day to get them sorted.

Surely Spain has some kind of watchdog that can shut this joke of an airline down.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:44 am

Air Madrid is starting to sound like Amtrak. At least on the train, if you're delayed for several hours, you still have a decent view, space to walk around, and food.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:52 am

Flight NM 1261 should have arrived to EZE at 10:40 this morning. It is now almost 8:00 pm and there is still no news as to when it will be arriving (has the flight even left MAD yet?)

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 32):
Flight NM 1261 should have arrived to EZE at 10:40 this morning. It is now almost 8:00 pm and there is still no news as to when it will be arriving (has the flight even left MAD yet?)

No, the flight has not even left MAD. Departure is now scheduled for Monday 4th at 12.50 am. Scheduled arrival at EZE is now Monday at 9.20 am, almost with a delay of 24 hours, and along with passengers of Sunday's flight NM1271 (??).
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:35 am

The sad thing is that the people really suffering are all the NM employees as in ground handling agents, customer care employees, cabin crew etc. as it is them who take the grieve from the passengers and not the people who are actually responsible for all the mess, the management.

I suggest a job change for a couple of weeks, put all these employees into NM's management and the management members as customer care employees.

I'd think those employees might even do a better management job Big grin
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:08 am

Interesting link abount NM's success in Perú [sorry but it's in Spanish].

http://www.tnewsperu.com/eventos18.asp
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:49 pm

Someone I know works for NM as a cabin crew. You can't believe the things they are forced to do.
Yesterday she was scheduled to fly to EZE, but got a call to tell her that the flight was delayed and she was on hold. After nearly 17 hours she gets a call to be ready in five hours, not giving her time to sleep at all. She had to be at the airport at 23.00 to fly MAD-FOR-EZE with a 24 hour delay.
And it is like that everyday. Everybody is fed up. Civil Aviation Limits mean nothing to these people and if you don't do a flight because you are over limits you get fired.
Once I had one nonrev pilot in my flight from MAD to somewhere in Germany. He used to work for Aerolloyd. He had just done MAD-SJO-MAD. I heard a rumour that they do this by signing in with different names, don't know if it is true or not though.
And they are still allowed to keep on flying....
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:17 am

In keeping with their apparent tradition of delays, NM have decided to delay their entry into MIA until further notice. They were expected for December/January inaugural but that has been deferred until further notice.
 
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Mdaddy (Reply 37):
In keeping with their apparent tradition of delays, NM have decided to delay their entry into MIA until further notice. They were expected for December/January inaugural but that has been deferred until further notice.

That was to be expected. Until they can get their act together...I dont think they can afford to open new routes. ESPECIALLY in the U.S. The FAA would eat them alive!
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:13 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 38):
ESPECIALLY in the U.S. The FAA would eat them alive!

This would be good, as the Spanish CAA obviously doesn't do it. Somebody needs to take care, this situation is unbearable!

An airline going on scheduled services also does commit to certain rules. This means, complying to the transport contracts they have, which are in those cases the tickets. If Passengers do show up 24 hours late, they won't be transported. But they did comply their part of the contract, they paid the price of the ticket. Now it's the airlines part to provide their half, somewhat AirMadrid very obviously is not doing. It looks as they just fly if they are in the mood for! They feel free to fly quite frequently 24 hours late or even worse.

The crews have to respect duty times. It's the crew-members and the airlines duty to record those and plan the trips by respecting the rules. If AirMadrid is trying to violate crew-members to do illegal acts, as signing in under different names, then it is criminal. Such manners have to be stopped immediately.

It is sad to see how an unscrupulous company is making advantage of crew-members not having the opportunity of another job. It is also sad to see, how this management wants to take the money out of the pocket of Latin American people working in Europe and trying to save some money for their families. It is very obvious that exactly those people try to find an economical way to travel, if visiting their loved ones. Those are also the people who normally don't know how to defend themselves and how to obtain their legal rights. I feel very sorry for all of them.

What is going on here is a scandal. Spanish authorities could do a favour to their country and saving it's reputation and credibility for a good part, now taking care about AirMadrid.

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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 11):

Sounds like a fairy tale. Wink

Why did you chose Air Madrid to begin with ???????

I don't see a big future for Air Madrid !

Then again what a big shame what Spain doesn't have a taste for a godd airline. The only thing they are interested in is price and not service....
It pisses me off how airlines like Iberia say on their website they want to constantly offer the best service ever but can't even be bothered to put PTV's on their A346 and not be ashamed of having you pay your food on board!

[Edited 2006-12-04 22:38:43]
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 35):
Interesting link abount NM's success in Per� [sorry but it's in Spanish].

http://www.tnewsperu.com/eventos18.asp

What bunch of bullshit!

The best equippied fleet ? Then get PTV's !

Y class with biggest seat pitch! I have to see to believe !

Aircraft with lastes technology...not enough argument against competitors like IB who bring the A346 vs NM who brings A343

The only airline with restaurant service on board....yeah that's why you have to pay for food on board!

Come on NM. get serious !!
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 40):
It pisses me off how airlines like Iberia say on their website they want to constantly offer the best service ever but can't even be bothered to put PTV's on their A346 and not be ashamed of having you pay your food on board!

First off...this thread is about NM...stick to the topic at hand.

Second...having PTV's in coach is a personal thing YOU may require for your trip...but it is not something the majority of the flying public would consider a point to fly or not fly with a particular airline.

Third...paying for food on IB is on the domestic and intra-european network only. All transatlantic flights have free food(and liquor for that matter with your meal). Have you flown in the U.S. lately? Try getting free food on board on flights....if they even offer you to buy a meal.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming!  Smile
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 40):
Why did you chose Air Madrid to begin with ???????

Which other do you recommend me to begin with ?????????
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 43):

Which other do you recommend me to begin with ?????????

What a question ? Of course Iberia ! Whilst they perhaps don't have the best service out there they are

1) Far more serious than Air Madrid

2) Apart from IB service there's nothing else I can complain about them

3) You don't need to go through the hell of US transit with Martinair

4) As long as we don't have a bettet choice than IB for flights to europe(like KLM for example) I guess I'll continue flying IB

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 42):

Second...having PTV's in coach is a personal thing YOU may require for your trip...but it is not something the majority of the flying public would consider a point to fly or not fly with a particular airline.

You'd be amazed to how many people that makes a difference !

[Edited 2006-12-05 09:28:58]
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 44):
You'd be amazed to how many people that makes a difference !

The #1 reason the general public chooses an airline(and I am not talking about a.netters) is price followed by routing. PTV's are in general not something discussed when booking a flight. I assure you that 90% of the flying public will not be concerned whether or not an airline has PTV's in coach. Why do you think people continue to fly Air Madrid...its pure pricing...plain and simple.
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 45):
The #1 reason the general public chooses an airline(and I am not talking about a.netters) is price followed by routing. PTV's are in general not something discussed when booking a flight. I assure you that 90% of the flying public will not be concerned whether or not an airline has PTV's in coach. Why do you think people continue to fly Air Madrid...its pure pricing...plain and simple.

Well when you continuously fly Spanish airlines you'll never experience a PTV. Take a better ailine that charges just around the same and you'll get a PTV. Then you won't want to change anymore! trust me. Apart from Central America I'll chose the alternative to IB or any other spanish airline(e.g AF for EZE, BOG), (KL for UIO,GYE) or TAM for Brazil
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:00 am

RootsAir....again....people do not base their choice of airline based on if they have PTV's or not. Its understandable if that is your choice or the choice of many a.netters...but realistically speaking, the general flying public could care less if there are PTV's or not....they want to get from point A to point B as cheap as possible and as quickly as possible. There are many studies that prove this.

If PTV's were such a priority...airlines like Ryanair would not exist and everyone in Argentina would be flying Air France to Spain via Madrid. Be realistic.

Can we please get back to the topic at hand now?

[Edited 2006-12-05 20:01:10]
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:31 am

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 47):
RootsAir....again....people do not base their choice of airline based on if they have PTV's or not.

I'm really sorry. I didn't meant to say people are based only on PTV's. you are right saying people chose based on price. But I just think its very cheap of Iberia not to put PTV's on their aircraft. Worst I don't know why IB is as expensive as AF or KL on some routes in Latin America .

For example look at this trip report
http://www1.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/88350/

KL definitely had a better service than IB on all aspects though its price was only like 15 Euros more. Ok there were no PTV's on those MD 11's but they are putting them on their MD 11. Plus LIM will be served with 777's soon . So since one pays almost the same for IB as another competitor might as well chose the competitor if I will get a better in flight entertainement
IB has no intention whatsoever to introduce PTVs. So the price with IB (not alking about shitty is a bit overrated IMHO

Another thread where I complained how IB seems a bit overpriced
http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/3067320

Quoting Iberia340600 (Reply 47):
A to point B as cheap as possible and as quickly as possible.

then I don't think NM is really the choice !

[Edited 2006-12-05 20:32:20]
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RE: Air Madrid: Another Big Delay

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:50 am

Rootsair....generally speaking....most legacy carriers have the same prices throughout....they do that to remain competitive. On may occasions....other carriers may actually offer a lower fare via a connection...because it would be a passenger that they, in essence, would not get given it is not their natural market. Lets say for example... KLM charging 650 for a rountrip to Spain from LIM while IB charges 675(not real prices..just making an example). KLM can afford to do that because any passenger that they get to Spain is incremental traffic for them since it is not a natural market.

Obviously....if flights start to fill up....fares start to go up because the lower classes close. So cases may be where on certain dates...IB's rates are a lot higher than KLM becuase the flight may be full and KLM is not...or vice versa. Its all about yield management.

Now...why people continue to risk flying Air Madrid...is beyond me. Given their track record....you could not pay me to take aflight with them. A delay of 1 or 2 hours...even 4 hours is understandable every now and then...but to constantly hear of delays of 12-24 hours on a regular basis....I would not risk it.
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