manu
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Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:50 am

Recently experienced the Q300 on the AKL-NPL route in New Zealand. Given I came from Toronto, I know how long of a flight it would be. How did the Q300 come to New Zealand? Is there actually a flyable delivery route, or do they "ship" the plane by sea/air transport?
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:08 am

to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand). Rarely they will route them via Alaska-Siberia-China instead during the summer, but i believe all the ANZ ones went via Europe.
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:23 am

No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.


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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:26 am

Manu,

I also believe that in the summer of this year one flew through BHD for fuel.

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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
No they put additional gas tanks in the cabin. This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range. Here's one for a Hawaiian 717 for a flight from the mainland.

No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 2):
This is a standard practice for all types of planes when they don't have the range.

For the smaller stuff, they do often go the long-way round, even if they do need extra tanks for the Iqualit-Greenland-Iceland legs.
You can go across the Bering Straits, through Russia, etc. with extra tanks if required, or via Hawaii, Guam.

For the Hawaiian B717's, there was no option except extra tanks.

Yes, the Q300s went via Europe...etc. etc. etc.

Hawaii is by no means the ONLY time aircraft are fitted with tanks for delivery. For the smaller aircraft (especially singles!), it's the only way, whichever way round you go!


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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:39 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 1):
to Oceania, they normally fly them around the "wrong way": Canada-(Greenland)-Iceland-Europe-Middle East-India-SE Asia-Indonesia-Australia-(New Zealand).

Not all the time, some NZ Q300 went to this summer via the Pacific stopping at overnighting at Grand Rapids, MI, Concord, CA and HNL along the way.
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 4):
No they do not do this to anywhere EXCEPT Hawaii. Hawaii being out of reach of any other ferry route they have no choice. It is far safer and cheaper to fly the planes the longer distance than to take days fitting, certifying and paying the extra insurance costs with adding the extra tanks.

Really? Because an Air New Zealand Link Q300 with the reg C-FGAI (now ZK-NEH) passed through HNL on its way to New Zealand back in June.
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:47 am

It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!  Wow!
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!

Or a Cessna  Wink
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
It must really suck to be a T-prop delivery pilot. Especially the smaller planes like the Dash. Or how about the Beech1900s that have no autopilot!

I disagree, what an experience to fly a Q300 (fairly advanced prop) so far across the world.
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:01 am

Quoting Manu (Reply 10):
what an experience to fly a Q300

Yea if I was going to deliver something that goes 300kts half way around the world it should have at least an auto pilot.
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:04 am

Here's a Q400 that went the other way about a month ago. Note the duration; 6 hours 43 minutes, not bad.

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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:05 am

I've seen a handful of Dash-8's stopping in FAI on their way to Asia and the Pacific. The first one I saw was in full Qantas livery and confused the heck out of me. So they aren't always sent the long way around through Europe, sometimes they go via Alaska, Russia, and so on.
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:00 pm

IIRC all Sunstate's (Qantaslink) Q300's went to Australia via Honolulu and Majuro with ferry tanks although their Q400's went via Alaska, Siberia and Japan.



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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Fri Dec 01, 2006 11:55 pm

Quite many Dehavilland/Bombardier aircrafts make a fuelstop at BGGH/GOH i Greenland on their to the rest of the globe. I remember many Dash 8's, PC-12's, Piaggio's and so on. Nice change from the Daily Dash 7's, S-61's, King Air B200 and Twin Otter at GOH.  Smile
 
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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting Manu (Reply 10):
I disagree, what an experience to fly a Q300 (fairly advanced prop) so far across the world.

Absolutely right, I'd much rather do this type of flying than hand fly for 5 minutes and then switch the computers on!

Delivering a Small to Medium T-Prop across vast distances would be a fantastic challenge and great flying!

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RE: Q300 Delivery Over Pacific?

Sat Dec 02, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Spruit (Reply 16):
Delivering a Small to Medium T-Prop across vast distances would be a fantastic challenge and great flying!


This would a great way for you to get some hours on the clock too!
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