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A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:31 pm

Hi all!

A close friend of mine who works at Qantas was chatting to me today about the A380 performing its testing at SYD the other day. He told me that there were massive problems with it being at the terminal because the air bridges weren't lining up properly, and that due to its size (or position on the apron) other jets were delayed for over 4 hours because they couldn't taxi past.

Was anyone else at the airport (working or spotting) who can confirm this for me? If its true, SYD has some major rethinking of its terminals me thinks!

Cheers!!!

[Edited 2006-12-01 09:32:12]
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:43 pm

I would have thought airport-planners have known the size of the aircraft for some time and could have modified taxi-ways accordingly...
It seems uncomprehensive that Sydney would be the only A380 -ready airport with this problem..
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
I would have thought airport-planners have known the size of the aircraft for some time and could have modified taxi-ways accordingly...
It seems uncomprehensive that Sydney would be the only A380 -ready airport with this problem..

I believe the gates that will be A380 ready are still under construction. At least they were about 3 weeks ago when I passed through the Qantas end of the international terminal.
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:43 pm

As far as I know it the aircraft operated into Sydney smoothly causing minimal delays...At this stage Sydney have 2 A380 bays (Bays 57 and Bay 24 I believe)...

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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:34 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 3):
As far as I know it the aircraft operated into Sydney smoothly causing minimal delays...At this stage Sydney have 2 A380 bays (Bays 57 and Bay 24 I believe)...

I concur, I also spoke with someone I know at SYD (not Qantas, not that it matters really) and they reported no such delays at all

[Edited 2006-12-01 12:48:19]
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:56 pm

I would hope if the A380 was on a testing flight and was delaying other aircraft up to 4 hours. The delayed airlines would kindly tell Airbus to sod off out of the way, and Airbus would duly oblige.
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:02 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 5):
I would hope if the A380 was on a testing flight and was delaying other aircraft up to 4 hours. The delayed airlines would kindly tell Airbus to sod off out of the way, and Airbus would duly oblige.

I think that was the point of the current responses to this thread, there simply were no delays to speak of. As you have pointed out had there been so much as an hour's delay to other operational traffic both Airbus and the operators of SYD airport would have moved it out of everyone else's way for no other reason than it would be potentially embarrassing for all concerned.
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm

It would of been very public if some sort of chaos had occourred - anyone remember Bill Clinton's hair cut at LAX?
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:23 pm

I was at SYD for a considerable time Tuesday(missed the arrival by about 15 min) and Wednesday and listening to ATC, Tower & Ground there were no appreciable delays that I could tell.
The A380 spent more time at the Alpha1 hold than normal but the departures sched for that time seemed happy, even appreciated the intersection take offs they were offered.

Didn't seem to hold up things more than any other "special" flight, I am sure(and am no A380 fan) that once in RPT it will just be part of the "scenery"
As an uncertified aircraft I believe there were additional runway inspection requirements but these will also go away soon.

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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:24 pm

Quoting Lumus (Thread starter):
A close friend of mine who works at Qantas was chatting to me today about the A380 performing its testing at SYD the other day. He told me that there were massive problems with it being at the terminal because the air bridges weren't lining up properly, and that due to its size (or position on the apron) other jets were delayed for over 4 hours because they couldn't taxi past.

Perhaps your friend was speaking more of what he thought happened (or would happen with the A380) than actually knowing as a fact.... As already said by various a.netters, there wasn't any major delays at SYD due to the A380... could it be that your friend doesn't really like the A380???
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:51 pm

G'day A'netters,

There were no delays caused by A380 as far as I could see. The A380 stopped about 15 metres short on bay 57 and was towed to the correct position. There was about a 4 or 5 minute wait for the tow to commence. During this time, a CX A330 was being towed up the alleyway to the disconnect point. Although the A380 was not in the correct position, there was still more than enough clearance for the A330 to pass.

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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):
- anyone remember Bill Clinton's hair cut at LAX?

Have you a link for the thread on that???  laughing   laughing   mischievous   mischievous   stirthepot   stirthepot 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:41 am

I thought it wasnt the A380 causing delays for others but rather the A380 itself that is delayed  duck 

Im just joking for the record I know maybe in poor tasts.

I could clearly see that such a large aircraft amy need to be handled or posisitioned just right, but as already posted I think most people have known the size of the A380 for some time now and I think that maybe an A380 and a 747 might have to share some space that might get a little tight to taxi around and not be a very easy feeling for the Captain taxiing around it. Wouldnt want to be that guy!!!
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting Flyguy595 (Reply 12):
I think that maybe an A380 and a 747 might have to share some space that might get a little tight to taxi around and not be a very easy feeling for the Captain taxiing around it. Wouldnt want to be that guy!!!

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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting Lumus (Thread starter):
weren't lining up properly, and that due to its size (or position on the apron) other jets were delayed for over 4 hours because they couldn't taxi past.

Well that's a nice urban legend I haven't heard before:

"A380 causes ground congestion when parked"

It (just) fits within the 80x80m box, which is the standard. The A346 is 75.30m vs. 72.74m for the A380 so no big deal there.
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 14):
Well that's a nice urban legend I haven't heard before:

"A380 causes ground congestion when parked"

It (just) fits within the 80x80m box, which is the standard. The A346 is 75.30m vs. 72.74m for the A380 so no big deal there.

Exactly.
The A380 is big in the name of "height" and "not" in length.

Quoting Flyguy595 (Reply 12):
I thought it wasnt the A380 causing delays for others but rather the A380 itself that is delayed

Atleast that would be a thread with some thruth  Wink!!
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:34 am

The A380 arrival and processing at SYD was flawless. Your friend at Qantas clearly has no idea what he is talking about. The aircraft as planned and requested stopped short of the bay and was towed on. Only one door as planned was connected. All other remaining doors were connected later in the day as part of aerobridge training. Everything lined up perfectly. No delays were experienced by anyone. The holding of the aircraft prior to departure was to ensure wake turbulence standards were met and the A380 was slotted into the sequence.
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:16 am

Dear Lumus,

does your friend at Qantas work in Seattle?

Seriously, whenever something decent happens with the A380 there is always such "news" to pop up! Why? It must be the most "disliked" aircraft among a certain "social group". The A380 should already be in the Guiness book, it colected the most malicious rumours of any aircraft type!
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:14 am

If the A380 did cause 4 hours delay on other flights, I'm sure it would be all over the papers.
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:01 am

When the A380 visited YVR this week, she parked away from the terminal, as the two gates that will handle her weren't ready, so ground delays weren't an issue. However, on her approach, I heard a Westjet flight get told "You'll be following the big ol' A380, caution turbulence". Now, from the clearances that were being issued (speed, altitude, heading, etc.) it seemed that the WS flight was immediately next in the approach sequence, so it was surprising when it touched down about five minutes later. I stopped listening to ATC to shoot photos but I wonder if this was an intentional gap, to allow the A380s massive wake to dissapate...? Might this cause delays, were it to become the norm?

Quoting Morvious (Reply 15):
The A380 is big in the name of "height" and "not" in length.

Don't forget the "width", it's 14 metres wider than a 744!
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:47 pm

380 causes more controversy everywhere it goes even on the message board. what happened with bill clintons haircut at lax? sounds like a funny anecdote
 
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RE: A380 Causes Delays At SYD

Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:14 pm

When the 380 was in YVR, they parked the whale in W1 which is one of 3 de-icing pads we use for all widebodies and most narrowbodies. Timing couldn't have been worse since aiport authorities didnt want anyone going out to the pads because of this, it was hard to explain to them that we had to go out to de-ice these planes. It was a mess! finally they let us through to do our jobs but it was a slow process having only to pads open when you got the "heavy rush" (CX SQ KE AC MU PR WJ etc...) ready to go at the same time.

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