B707Stu
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Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:33 am

I'm wondering if one clears security again when transferrig terminal at the new T4 - T4S? I just had a nightmare at LHR transferring from T3 to T1 and lost my duty free liquor and would like to avoid that at Madrid toward the end of this month if possible.
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IBERIA747
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:00 pm

If you're arriving at T4S and your connecting flight departs from T4, you will have to clear security again before getting to the gate area.

First, you take the APM (automatic train) from T4S to T4. Once you're there you have to go upstairs and you'll see the signs to either "Baggage Claim-Arrivals Hall", "Transfer Bus to T1, T2, T3" or "Gates H,J,K" (those are the gate areas at T4). The security filter is located right before going upstairs once again to reach the departures level.

I don't know how "strict" the carry-on regulations are at this point for 2 reasons.

1. MAD is always my final destination so I don't go through that filter unless I have gone to T4S by mistake and I have to go back to T4 and get to the right gate (It happened a couple months ago when IB changed my boarding gate after our 757 went tech before boarding and we had to switch gate and aircraft).

2. Every passenger going through that security filter has already cleared security somewhere else, so I guess that if they're carrying any liquids (liquors, perfumes, etc) they have been acquired at some duty free shop (inside or outside Spain) after clearing security at their point of origin (where any other liquid exceeding limitations should have been removed).

I hope this helps.

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B707Stu
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 1):
2. Every passenger going through that security filter has already cleared security somewhere else, so I guess that if they're carrying any liquids (liquors, perfumes, etc) they have been acquired at some duty free shop (inside or outside Spain) after clearing security at their point of origin (where any other liquid exceeding limitations should have been removed).

Gracias. That helps me realize not to purchase duty free alcohol at JFK where you receive it on the jet bridge while boarding, certainly more than the 100ml allowed. Arriving on IB6252 from JFK connecting to IB358 to ALC looks like it is a T4S to T4 connection so I'll make sure to keep my 'liquids' below the 100ml limit.

I really don't understand why there's a second security clearance when you're coming from T4S because you've obviously been cleared already but so it is.

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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:53 pm

I've made a terrible experience in GVA, was transferring there from PRG to BCN. I bought a duty free liquor at PRG, packed properly with the bill, but the GVA security didnt care about it and just threw it away. I reckon that every apt/security authority has its own rules what to allow on board, so I wouldnt recommend to buy anything liquidish at any but the last transfer point.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:02 pm

In General, the experience I made the past month, since this liquid stuff is in force, is to buy Duty Free only at the point you last board the aircraft. So in your case this would probably mean to buy it in MAD as otherwise it's very likely that they take you that away.

Cheers
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting Zruda (Reply 3):
I've made a terrible experience in GVA, was transferring there from PRG to BCN. I bought a duty free liquor at PRG, packed properly with the bill, but the GVA security didnt care about it and just threw it away. I reckon that every apt/security authority has its own rules what to allow on board, so I wouldnt recommend to buy anything liquidish at any but the last transfer point.

If you buy Duty Free in the EU/Swizerland/Norway or Iceland and get the bag sealed at the shop the sealing with the receipt is valid for 24hrs inside these countries so the GVA security did a bad mistake.
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:16 pm

Quoting Zruda (Reply 3):
I wouldnt recommend to buy anything liquidish at any but the last transfer point.



Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 4):
to buy Duty Free only at the point you last board the aircraft. So in your case this would probably mean to buy it in MAD as otherwise it's very likely that they take you that away.

I agree.

I guess that's the most appropriate thing to do in order to avoid unnecessary risks.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:00 pm

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 4):
In General, the experience I made the past month, since this liquid stuff is in force, is to buy Duty Free only at the point you last board the aircraft. So in your case this would probably mean to buy it in MAD as otherwise it's very likely that they take you that away.

Cheers
Legacy135

But you can't buy duty free liquor on a domestic Spanish flight from Madrid to Alicante, right?
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 5):

oh I know, I work at the airport. I tried arguing but it was hell, long wait on friday evening, they showed the bottle (sealed from PRG with the bill) among the other security guys and all said "its not thermo sealed" or some other BS. I know the law and its really different, speaking about some 24 hrs for a valid bill, but apparently it all depends on local authorities.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 7):

But you can't buy duty free liquor on a domestic Spanish flight from Madrid to Alicante, right?

Correct, or any intra EU flight for that matter. However, the duty rates on booze in Spain are very low, so unless you have a particular favourite that you can't buy in Spain, you won't be saving a fortune anyway. It isn't like your going to Finland for example where their duty rates on alcohol are just nuts.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:36 am

I have had horrible luck at MAD. Security was a nightmare, especially getting from the international to the domestic areas for IB. I'd rather shoot myself.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:25 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
I have had horrible luck at MAD. Security was a nightmare, especially getting from the international to the domestic areas for IB. I'd rather shoot myself.

Not a good sign. I'm curious, what was it about security that was so bad?
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:49 pm

Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 5):
If you buy Duty Free in the EU/Swizerland/Norway or Iceland and get the bag sealed at the shop the sealing with the receipt is valid for 24hrs inside these countries

Make sure that when they seal the bag its done properly. Someone nearly lost their DFs because there was a small section that hadn't sealed.
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 11):
Not a good sign. I'm curious, what was it about security that was so bad?

I had to go through it at least three times. This was the case with everyone else. It wasn't even a different flight number (but it was different metal.) And the security wasn't civilian—it was Army.

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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:58 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 7):
But you can't buy duty free liquor on a domestic Spanish flight from Madrid to Alicante, right?

Airports in the EU usually have two prices or same price or a special area for passengers travelling inside the EU in MAD the domestic flight is mixed with the international flights at T4 and you clear the costums in ALC so just present your boardingpass at the Duty Free shop and buy what you want. If you buy your "Duty Free" at T4s ask the staff to seal your bag for the secuirity control.
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:33 pm

Thanks Sukoi, very helpful. Got it.
 
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sat Dec 09, 2006 11:55 pm

"Army"  Confused I think your a confused as the Army doesn't do security at any spanish civillian airport. They would have been Civil Guards which although integrated in the armed forces, are a police corps.

In Mad going from national to Inter is no great problem so I wonder what happened to you.
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 16):
"Army" Confused I think your a confused as the Army doesn't do security at any spanish civillian airport. They would have been Civil Guards which although integrated in the armed forces, are a police corps.

They were in camo and full battle gear. Is that still not regular army?
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RE: Madrid Barajas Duty Free Security

Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:49 pm

Hi N328KF

Sorry but it seems weird I've never seen this in MAD so I wonder did you land in Torrejon by any chance? When did this happend as I said the army has no duties in civilian airports and I have never seen them there and I've been working here for the past 7 years.
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