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Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:28 am

Could someone please explain the details of this merger. I am a little confused.

For instance, I saw a trip report that said they booked their flight PHX-ATL on US Airways but they flew on an AWA aircraft. Does US Airways now own all of AWA? Are some of their flights operated by AWA? Do they own all of the AWA aircraft? Will we ever see all of the AWA aircraft repainted in US colors? I know that US took over the AWA headquarters building in Tempe.

[Edited 2006-12-02 22:28:54]
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Mer

Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:38 am

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Does US Airways now own all of AWA?

HP owns US. They kept the US name because i was more well known.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Are some of their flights operated by AWA?

No flight will be designated as HP flights once the certificates merge this month.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Do they own all of the AWA aircraft?

Some are leased some are owned.

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Will we ever see all of the AWA aircraft repainted in US colors?

Yes unless they merge with DL

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
I know that US took over the AWA headquarters building in Tempe.

Actually HP took over US they kept the US name because it is more well known than HP.


does this help?

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:14 am

Thanks that does help a lot
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 1):
No flight will be designated as HP flights once the certificates merge this month.

This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date? I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:49 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date? I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

-Tony@PVD

www.usairways.com

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:55 am

Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 4):
www.usairways.com

Can you provide a more of a direct link than just the company's website itself, if you will please?
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Mer

Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:32 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

Yes, PVD rocks!

-Tony@PVD

i usually use wikipedia. sorry

Quoting source:
All of the currently operating airlines will retain their current names and continue operating until 2007. Details on how the various operations will be merged will be resolved at a future date and will need to be approved by the FAA where they affect operating procedures.

america west holdings company

it says they will be merged in 2007 sorry
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Mer

Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:33 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
Ok, so i did some searching on usairways.com, couldn't find anything, in fact nothing on the ORIGINAL merger at all! Last week I read on 'the hub'..our employee site, that April was the combined cert. date, please post the link the where you specifically saw this month, becuase that is exciting news.

Yes, PVD rocks!

-Tony@PVD

i usually use wikipedia. sorry

Quoting source:
All of the currently operating airlines will retain their current names and continue operating until 2007. Details on how the various operations will be merged will be resolved at a future date and will need to be approved by the FAA where they affect operating procedures.

america west holdings company

it says in 2007 not sure though

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
I'm curious when east flights will stop being US Air flt 1823, and become Cactus flt 1823!

They are keeping the cactus name for the skies?
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 9):
They are keeping the cactus name for the skies?

Yes, they are.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 3):
This month?!?! Wow, thats news to me, Last I heard was april...where did you hear that? And do you have an exact date?

I haven't heard April as being a definite time period. April might be the goal, but they certainly won't merge the certificates until all unions have agreed on a combined contract. That process is moving along painfully slow, I think it's been at least 3 months since I've heard of any of our unions making progress towards unification.

Otherwise, everything else seems to be progressing on schedule or even a little ahead of schedule. It'll be a sad day when the last HP plane is painted in the new colors - there's not very many of them left, and most of those are the 733s.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 11):
Otherwise, everything else seems to be progressing on schedule or even a little ahead of schedule. It'll be a sad day when the last HP plane is painted in the new colors - there's not very many of them left, and most of those are the 733s.

actually there are quite a few.

not even half of the combined fleet is painted

http://usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/partnersfleet/default.aspx

click under express
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:59 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
Yes, they are.

Why? US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
Why? US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?

Just a little reminder of who is really running the show.
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 13):
US Air makes a whole lot more sense to me?

It does make sense, but HP is the purchaser and 'Cactus' belongs to HP (now called US).

[Edited 2006-12-03 06:10:48]
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:36 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 12):
not even half of the combined fleet is painted

As you said it is the combined flight, it is really becoming rare to see America West planes now. As for US Airways those blue/black planes are still all over.
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 15):

It does make sense, but HP is the purchaser and 'Cactus' belongs to HP (now called US).

Only the name if the company is US. All the stocks are under America West Holding Company.

They are keeping th cactus call sign because it was part of HP.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:17 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
They are keeping th cactus call sign because it was part of HP.

Yea, but don't forget Tempe is HQ, so it does still make sense to have cactus as the call sign, as everything about the company comes from the desert.

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:23 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 12):
not even half of the combined fleet is painted

But I was referring to HP's planes, of which there is about 130. All of the 319's are done, most of the 320s are done, about a third of the 752s and about 1/4 of the 733s. The whole HP fleet should be done by about March of next year.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:17 am

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 17):
All the stocks are under America West Holding Company.

That is not correct. America West Holdings is a subsidiary of the US Airways Group.

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:22 am

OK, I have some information here.

The certificate will merge in May of 07. And, no the unions do not have to have a merged contract by than, in fact it is assumed that at least the flight attendants will not have a merged contract by than. The company will merge and the FAs will fly as two seperate work groups until they have a merged contract.

Because this is a MERGER, no one bought anyone. The US name was used because it is better known. Cactus was used, because we went with the US name and using Cactus kept balance.

Both airlines are flying as each seperate airline (with merged schedules etc) until May of 07, than my paycheck will say US Airways, because all of the carrier will be US (than and only than). So until May of 07, you can book flights on the US airways site, but you might be on a US or HP aircraft.
 
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:56 am

Quoting Jetdude (Reply 21):
So until May of 07, you can book flights on the US airways site, but you might be on a US or HP aircraft.

May? Where did u hear this? Please share, thx!

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:49 am

Does anyone know when we can expect to see ex-HP aircraft flying the old US routs in the east and vice versa? Will this happen in May when the OC's are merged?

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:12 pm

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 23):
Does anyone know when we can expect to see ex-HP aircraft flying the old US routs in the east and vice versa? Will this happen in May when the OC's are merged?

Peace box

last april after the merger i saw an HP crj-700 at PVD.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:19 pm

Express planes don't count.

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting Walter747 (Reply 24):
last april after the merger i saw an HP crj-700 at PVD

Actually it's a crj900, and they are operated by Mesa the do the CLT routes, on weekends, and the 11A during the week. Most have been repainted already, as seeing the HP colors ar PVD is now rare. Although, premerger it was even more rare.

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 23):
Does anyone know when we can expect to see ex-HP aircraft flying the old US routs in the east and vice versa? Will this happen in May when the OC's are merged?

Don't quote me on this, but i believe we will never see at least the airbus switch routes, except for interhub routes, like some phx-bos/phl/clt routes, etc, becuase of the type of engines on the west Vs. east. For MX reasons it makes sense to keep the planes close to where MX has the parts for its particular engine type.

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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting Chi-town (Thread starter):
Does US Airways now own all of AWA?

No. America West now owns all of USAirways. They are all USAir flight numbers but the planes haven't been repainted, the work groups haven't been integrated and they are still operating on seperate certificates.

For all practical purposes, it's really a gigantic code-share agreement/network at this time. It's technically one company holding two operating certificates operating as two cooperating systems.
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RE: Explanation Of US Airways And America West Merger?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:53 pm

America West does not own US Airways, the company merged into one company. We now operate under two certificates but in May of 007 we will operate under one certificate that has always been the plan and as of right now we are on schedule.

In order to operate our a/c at maximum use, US does fly some flights that HP used to operate; and HP operates some flights that US used to operate. Every month it is slightly different but this has been occuring, on a small scale, for a while now.