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ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:27 am

On 02DEC06, an ANA 767 flying from Haneda to Shonai (NH895) was hit by lightning 5 times with in 50 minutes when it entered Shonai Airport airspace, as it was prepared to land.

151 pax and 8 crews on board were safe.

3 black marks were clearly seen on the fuselage.

The 767 was circling above the airport as it tried to avoid strong wind.

<全日空機>落雷5回、無事に着陸 羽田発庄内行き便 ( 毎日新聞 )
 2日午後1時から同50分にかけ、山形県酒田市の庄内空港上空で、羽田発庄内行き全日空895便(B767型機)が着陸待機中、機体に5回にわたって落雷を受けた。同機は無事に着陸、乗客151人と乗員8人にけがはなかった。

 全日空が着陸後に調べたところ、機体外側中央部に直径約1.5センチの穴が二つ開き、黒い点が3カ所見付かった。895便は強風を避けるため上空を旋回中だった。点検のため、折り返しの羽田行きは欠航となり、搭乗予定の乗客を次の便で輸送した。

 庄内空港上空では航空機への落雷がよくあるが、同一機に5回は例がないという。【粕谷昭二】

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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:57 am

The wind needs anger management. Big grin lol
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:07 am

That must have been one shocking experience, or rather five.
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:36 am

According to statistics, airplanes get hit by lightning once every year. This not only shows that they were rather unlucky on that flight, but also brings to mind a big question about the new generation CFRP airplanes. The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced. This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:39 am

But lightning never strikes twice in the same place, Kaneporta1.  Wink
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):

Nice job with the translation.
This time of the year, there are frequent lightning on the Sea of Japan side. Weird that, one typically assumes lightning with summer/spring storms.
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
But lightning never strikes twice in the same place

Quite true, but as the aircraft was not in the same place at any one time thats ok, right? Big grin
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 2:55 pm

Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:16 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.

The translation of the report says the plane was circling Shonai waiting for winds to die down so I imagine it couldn't vacate the storm area.
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:18 pm

Wow, I have been on board with one lightning strike, I can imagine that 5 together with the weather was not a fun ride for the pax.
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:20 pm

Any pics of the damage available.
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:25 pm

Sounds like a good tidbit for Ripley's Believe It Or Not cartoon. Glad to hear that all aboard were safe and sound.  Big grin
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:18 pm

I wouldnt like to have been on that plane  Wow!
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced.

That cannot be right since the metal mesh is imbeded in the cabon fiber layers. If the metal evaporates after a lightning strike, it would mean having to scrap the aircraft.
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:40 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Was the Aircraft not able to avoid Bad weather.
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Any pics of the damage available.
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Question marks can make your questions *sound* like questions and not demands.

Those people were very unlucky! After the first one or two I would have got the hell out of the area!
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 13):
That cannot be right since the metal mesh is imbeded in the cabon fiber layers. If the metal evaporates after a lightning strike, it would mean having to scrap the aircraft.

It is not "embedded" in the layers, but as a screen that is the top-most layer in the lay-up. There are film adhesives that come with the metal screen to be used during repairs/fabrication.

We had a 767 take a couple of hits coming into MIA last summer, and it was a PIA to repair the damage to the aileron. It looks like someone set off a cherry bomb on the trailing edge. Airplane left 16 hours later after several repairs.
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:02 pm

Now we know the type to fly with confidence in T-storms.!
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:07 pm

Something not mentioned in the translation is that two holes the diameter of 1.5cm were found somewhere in the middle part of the fuselage.

Scary stuff - 5 strikes!
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:17 am

I was in a 747 over the Med when we flew into a T-Storm. We got hit at least 7 times over twenty minutes. Not something I enjoyed at all.

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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting Checksixx (Reply 18):
I was in a 747 over the Med when we flew into a T-Storm. We got hit at least 7 times over twenty minutes. Not something I enjoyed at all.

So what does it feel like inside the plane?
 
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:43 am

Does it shake in the plane when you are hit?

Eitherway Jimyvr, very nice translation!!!
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting BEYauty (Reply 19):
So what does it feel like inside the plane?



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 20):
Does it shake in the plane when you are hit?

I was flying a King Air B100 a couple years ago and we got nailed by two strikes, one blew out a rivet in the bottom of the wing. Scared the hell out of us, but we were OK. As I recall, it was more of a big "pop" than anything else, it wasn't as violent as you might think.

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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

And that's why they are being designed with lightning in mind!
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:25 am

Huh... after three strikes, I'd sorta wonder what I did to piss off the big man upstairs...
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:23 am

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 23):
I'd sorta wonder what I did to piss off the big man upstairs...

Maybe the plane "invaded his privacy?"  Wink

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This not only shows that they were rather unlucky on that flight, but also brings to mind a big question about the new generation CFRP airplanes. The metallic mesh they will be carrying, is designed to take the energy of the lightning and evaporate, leaving that part of the aircraft unprotected, until replaced. This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

Yeah, in that case, that's not really much of a safety standard. Another truth to the falacious saying "lightning never strikes the same thing/place twice." Of course, the Empire State Building comes to mind here, and now airplanes should also come to mind!
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RE: ANA 767 Hit By Lighning 5 Times In 50 Minutes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 3):
This means, in a case like this 767, the people on board a new CF made jetliner could be in serious trouble.

You are referring to the 787 and the new A350XWB with composite panels? I suspect the OEM's have given this some serious thought.
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