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British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:55 am

I was looking at the British Airways page on the Wikipedia website, and came across this:

7th/8th line down states that BA will offer a service between Cardiff and New York JFK airport.

'BA will inaugurate a nonstop service between London Heathrow and Calgary in December 2006. It will operate 5 flights a week, using a Boeing 777-200. It will increase the frequency on its London Heathrow - São Paulo Guarulhos route from 7 to 10 flights a week. All 10 will use Boeing 747-400s.
It will increase the frequency on its London Heathrow - New York JFK route from 7 to 8 flights a day in December 2006.
It will, according to sources, serve Cardiff International Airport to New York JFK from Summer 2007 onwards to rival Continental Airlines daily service from Bristol International Airport.
As part of it's "low-cost" style operation at London Gatwick, the company will inaugurate a daily service to Dresden, and a 3 times weekly service to Sarajevo from Summer 2007. At the same time, services to Riga, Newcastle, Athens and Kiev from London Gatwick will cease
From Summer 2007 BA will inaugurate a 3 times weekly service from London Gatwick to Port of Spain using a Boeing 777, attatched on to the end of their daily Bridgetown, Barbados service.'

Now I know Wikipedia is just written by the public, but everything written above has so far been true.

So is it possible that BA will operate a Cardiff - New York JFK route?

I personally cant see it happening, and would have thought BA would have started GLA, EDI & BHX before CWL, but thats just my opinion.

Anyone know anything about it?
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:06 am

Wow! Very interesting... I'm assuming 767?
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:25 am

With no other BA flights to CWL (apart from ferry flights from LHR and LGW to their engineering base) and BA having long ago abandoned its trans-Atlantic flights from BHX and GLA I am rather sceptical about them starting a CWL-JFK service next summer. But I guess it just could be possible.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:59 am

Can't believe much you read on Wikipedia.
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:16 am

I would wait for a response from BA. Especially considering that Glasgow, Birmingham and Leeds are all bigger than Cardiff and don't get transatlantic service.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:33 am

I'll see DL flying JFK-CWL before BA ventures into flying to New York from other British airports than LHR, LGW and MAN.
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:14 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Can't believe much you read on Wikipedia.

Can't believe ANYTHING you read on Wikipedia  Wink . After all, people don't jokingly call BA London Airways for nothing. Launching a longhaul route would go against anything BA has done in recent months, including selling their non-London regional subsidiary to FlyBE.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:16 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Can't believe much you read on Wikipedia

Exactly.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:43 pm

Being that BA flies zero long haul services out of any UK airport other than LHR/LGW (except for the MAN-JFK flight) and no longer flies BHX-JFK, GLA-JFK and has shown no interest in opening up any other routes to UK regional airports although some US carriers have done quite well with this niche (think CO).....I am rather sure that BA will NOT be launching Cardiff-JFK service in the future. There is a reason that many refer to BA as ""London Airways"".

Wikipedia is a very poor souce for airline route information.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 8):
Being that BA flies zero long haul services out of any UK airport other than LHR/LGW (except for the MAN-JFK flight) and no longer flies BHX-JFK, GLA-JFK and has shown no interest in opening up any other routes to UK regional airports although some US carriers have done quite well with this niche (think CO).....I am rather sure that BA will NOT be launching Cardiff-JFK service in the future. There is a reason that many refer to BA as ""London Airways"".

Wikipedia is a very poor souce for airline route information.

Like you, I will beleive it when i see it, save for the fact that bear in mind GLA, EDI, all have large feed into Heathrow, theres no direct flight between CWL and LHR so maybe they will take a dabble, certainly CO have had succes out of Bristol. I would have though they have big enough O & D out of CWL but only for Y, not sure about F & J.
 
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Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 5):
I'll see DL flying JFK-CWL before BA ventures into flying to New York from other British airports than LHR, LGW and MAN.

BA don't fly LGW-JFK. Haven't done since the old days (mid 90s) when they had a Tristar on the route (all together now: aaaaah...). Interesting you start that sentence with DL, who have just added LGW to their portfolio of trans-Atlantic routes across the pond.
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:08 pm

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9):
Like you, I will beleive it when i see it, save for the fact that bear in mind GLA, EDI, all have large feed into Heathrow, theres no direct flight between CWL and LHR so maybe they will take a dabble, certainly CO have had succes out of Bristol. I would have though they have big enough O & D out of CWL but only for Y, not sure about F & J.

Continental have been successful flying from Bristol because they offer transfer onto their extensive US network through Newark. Any BA service from the regions would be almost entirely O&D traffic, making the flight harder to fill. Transfer onto AA flights through JFK may be a possibility, but I think we will see AA operate the flight before we see BA do so.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
BA don't fly LGW-JFK. Haven't done since the old days (mid 90s) when they had a Tristar on the route (all together now: aaaaah...). Interesting you start that sentence with DL, who have just added LGW to their portfolio of trans-Atlantic routes across the pond.

Actually, the LGW-JFK flight lasted for longer than that. As late as 1999 it was still operating with a daily 767.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:14 pm

I cant see BA operating longhaul out of any regional airports. Rumour has it that once Flybe take over BaCon then the MAN-JFK route is to stop as well with the 767 being used to further develop routes from LHR
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:24 pm

Just absolutely no way I cannot see this happening!
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:50 am

Maybe a DC-3 but not a 777.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:27 am

Interesting. I remember reading on these pages that the MAN to JFK service would be retained by BA and returned to the mainline operations when the Connect brand disappears.

As for CWL - JFK, not a chance of that happening on BA metal. The market is just not there to sustain a stand-alone link. CO offers connections from EWR hence its ability to fly from various UK regional airports.

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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 16):
I remember reading on these pages that the MAN to JFK service would be retained by BA and returned to the mainline operations when the Connect brand disappears.

It can't be returned to mainline, as it already IS a mainline service, with mainline aircraft and flight deck, and BA Connect cabin crew. When the BA Connect brand disappears, the MAN-JFK service will still be operated by BA Connect (trading as FlyBE) cabin crew, in BA uniforms. Confused? You will be.....
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Can't believe much you read on Wikipedia.



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Can't believe ANYTHING you read on Wikipedia

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but again for the millionth time, WIKIPEDIA should not be taken seriously....And I wish there was a filter to delete threads based on WIKIPEDIA information....
I could for example, go in right now and add that British Airways will also be starting nonstop NYC flights to Exeter, Doncaster, Carlisle, and Manston.....

Besides,

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
people don't jokingly call BA London Airways for nothing.

Why would BA break the mold for Cardiff? I could see maybe Bristol....
If and when BA decides to end being a London-centric airline, the activity would be shared by the #2 and #3 UK metro areas; Birmingham and Manchester.....why would they go all the way down the ladder to Cardiff?
Doesn't make any sense except for a charter/IT carrier offering seasonal flights to proven North American and Caribbean destinations.

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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:59 am

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
BA don't fly LGW-JFK. Haven't done since the old days (mid 90s) when they had a Tristar on the route (all together now: aaaaah...). Interesting you start that sentence with DL, who have just added LGW to their portfolio of trans-Atlantic routes across the pond.

BA operated LGW-JFK until after 9-11, with a variety of aircraft - from 1995 to 2001, DC10-30s, 747-200s, 767s & 777s were used. I was working the F cabin on BA 2173 on 9/11.....
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 17):
It can't be returned to mainline, as it already IS a mainline service, with mainline aircraft and flight deck, and BA Connect cabin crew. When the BA Connect brand disappears, the MAN-JFK service will still be operated by BA Connect (trading as FlyBE) cabin crew, in BA uniforms. Confused? You will be.....

So, when BA says the MAN-JFK route is not involved in the sale of BA Connect:

BA Connect also operates from London City Airport and between Manchester and New York. These services will not form part of the proposed sale


(from www.ba.com , press release 03/11/2006)

why would the route still be operated by Flybe?
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 18):
If and when BA decides to end being a London-centric airline, the activity would be shared by the #2 and #3 UK metro areas; Birmingham and Manchester.....why would they go all the way down the ladder to Cardiff?

More sheep?  Smile

The only way BA will fly CWL-JFK anytime soon is by flying a regional service into LHR and then switch to a JFK - bound plane....
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:38 am

BA record of having operated 757 from UK regionals to JFK is well known. Why Cardiff - JFK, does't make much sense ? I wouldn't bet on it.
 
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RE: British Airways To Fly Cardiff - New York JFK?

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:20 am

OK... very strange cause I've never heard anything about it. The ONLY reason BA would do this is because CWL is their maintenance base, and it's where all the JFK flights divert to in the event of bad weather etc.

Taking on CO would be a good idea, but I seriously can't see it happening, no chance in even the most heavenly of heavens!
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