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United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:07 am

I'm wondering if anyone knows if United has plans to begin operating the 737-800, and the 767-400?
Thanks a lot
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:12 am

UA is apparently looking at 767-400 and A330-200 (the 764 seems the most likely choice for them), but I think hell will freeze over before we'll see any 737NG's in UA colors. OK, maybe I'm overstating it a little, but seriously, I think the chances for the 737NG at UA are low.

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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:14 am

The 737-800 will NEVER be ordered by United!

The 767-400 could have a chance, but with UA having the world's largest fleet of 777's (to grow even larger in a few weeks), I find it almost an 80% chance that UA will not order it. The 777 can perform the 767-400's routes with better economics, and with much better cargo and passenger capabilities.

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FLY777UAL

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:19 am

hmm... are you insinuating that an order is coming up or merely that another one is being delivered?
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:22 am

"Farnborough should be interesting"

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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:27 am

I say it's extremely doubtful, United seems to be quite pleased with their A320s and A319's, but United does have a few B737-500's (if these can be classified as NG's I don't know)

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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:40 am

If the merger goes through with US Airways, they will inherit their P&W 4000 powered A330-300s and maybe could order some of the shorter longer range A330-200s powered by the same engine.
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:45 am

Yea, TEDSKI! That would be a great idea! Then United could have not one, but THREE competing sets of aircraft in their fleet! Eventhough training and maintainence would be a whore, it's okay because the A330's are powered by Pratt and Whitney!  

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FLY777UAL

Wed Jul 12, 2000 7:53 am

I have always liked United for sticking with one reliable engine manufacturer like P&W for their entire fleet except their GE CF6 powered DC-10s and CFM56 powered 737-300/500s.
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 9:37 am

I did hear from a friend,that United was interested in the 737-700. I'm wondering if it's true?
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 9:44 am

No way, they love their current IAE V2500 powered A319s & A320s with more of them being delivered to replace their 727-200s & 737-200s. Plus, they will inherit the CFM56 powered A319s & A320s from US Airways if the merger goes through.
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 9:46 am

But what about the 2nd generation 737s?

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US Airways Outsources A330 Engine Maintenance

Wed Jul 12, 2000 11:01 am

The A330's inherited from US Airways would not be that big of a deal as US already outsources the maintenance for their PW4168 engines. If anything it would help UAL by giving their repair and service company another engine to service, thus expanding their potential customer base. UAL services doesn't have certification for this engine yet.
 
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RE: US Outsources A330 Engine Maintenance

Wed Jul 12, 2000 11:27 am

Well if it isn't my old chum FLY. As a former Pratt employee, we both can find mittance in USAirways' outsourcing of maintenance. There would be little feasibility in taking the maintenance in house, not to mention the gangrenous affect it would have on their P/L to funnel such funds for maintenance of a fleet that may never mature beyond 10 airframes.

UAL, however has no use for the -330s. ALPA regs. prohibit pilots from 320s using seniority to jump to widebody aircraft; (OTR, this has thrown a cog in NW's entire fleet modernization plan...717? 330/340? 777?). The -330s would only be in addition to a large Boeing twinjet family tree. It would undermine any progress in standardization.

About the 73Gs, yes...right next to the People Express A3XX. United has focues their efforts on Airbus single-aisle short/medium haul aircraft.
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RE: US Outsources A330 Engine Maintenance

Wed Jul 12, 2000 11:42 am

Everyone hear is talking like the merger is going to go through. I have serious doubts about it, if UAL is allowed to suck up UsAirways all the other majors will feel they have the right to do the same. I think the Dept of Justice knows this and will not allow the merger to got through. These kinds of mergers do nothing for the consumer.
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:36 pm

An aside question:

If, as a pervious post asserts, "The 777 can perform the 767-400's routes with better economics, and with much better cargo and passenger capabilities," why then is an airline such as DELTA, which already operates the 777, ordering 764s instead of additional 777s? Is it only because the capacity of the 764 is less than the 777?

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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:51 pm

Are you sure that US outsources PW4000 maintenance? I have heard the contrary. Before the first 330 was delivered, US acquired a PW4000 so that their maintenance people could get used to working them. That doesn't sound consistent with a move to outsource them.

Also, C172sb, not EVERYONE thinks this deal will go through. I'm confident it will not.
 
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 1:52 pm

Ezra... I will take a gander at your question,

I'd say that Delta feels the need for the added capacity that the 767-400 offers on domestic routes so it frees up 777s on international routes. See the other thread on 767-400 routes.

UA choose to use several aircraft to indirectly replace the DC-10... which were -10's and used exclusively on domestic and Hawaii flights. Routes that used to see DC-10s now see increased frequencies w/ 757s and 767-300s in 2-class set up. Plus a few dedicated 777s in 2-class on Hawaii flights. Where Delta seems to be using the 767-400 as a direct replacement for L-1011's.

As for international routes I would assume the mix of 767-300ERs and 777-200A/B's is just better suited to UA's overseas flights. Where the 767-400ER would be limited to east coast to Europe flights and the shorter South American flights.

So hopefully this makes some sense.
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RE: United And Boeings

Wed Jul 12, 2000 2:13 pm

In my opinion, the only Boeing planes the United will buy from now on is the 772ER's for their international routes and possibly more 752's for their domestic routes. UA already has a substantial fleet of 762 and 763 models, so they don't need more of them.

But UA has a substantial fleet of 732's and 722's that will have to be phased out from both fuel consumption and noise regulation considerations. That is why I expect UA to continue to place additional orders for A319/A320 planes as the older narrow-body Boeings are phased out.

And don't forget that UA may end up being a customer of the A3XX for use on heavily-travelled long routes such as JFK-NRT, SFO/LAX-NRT, SFO/LAX-HKG, and SFO/LAX-SYD.

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