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Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:40 am

I got to thinking, after the 797, there are no more 7-7's to be used. What will Boeing do, maybe the 878, or 888. They do seem to be using the 8 alot (787 747-8).
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:18 am

I remember reading somewhere that they are using 8 on the 747-8 to show that it has technological advancements like the 787 in terms of fuel efficiency and stuff but as to the question at hand I have no idea but as you point out they are using 8 alot and the only other option that is obvious and gives the idea of newer (rather than going backiwards and having 1-1 or something) is going to 8 or 9.
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:47 am

I think that this has been discussed before. I think they covered for a little while though. 797 will go to the 737 replacement and it is kinda fitting. The 777 is only down to 300 so there is room. IMHO if they come out with a supersonic jet or the BWB they should start the 808 with that.
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:50 am

I belive the SST was designated as 2707 -- so there is a precedent for x7x7 as a model number.
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:59 am

Isnt the 8 also symbolic? As far as I am aware, it is seen as lucky in Asia.
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:03 am

Boeing's next, expected, projects are tentively called the Y-1, Y-2, and Y-3. Y-1 will be the narrow body replacement (that is not to say it is a narrow body), while the Y-3 will replace Boeing's biggest jets, the B-777 and B-747.

Now, the number 8 seems to be a "lucky" number in some Asian cultures, which is one reason why the A-380, next B-747, B-787, and A-350 are starting their submodel numbers with "8", or "800". Since the Chinese market is expected to be very big over the next 25-30 years, this is probibly just a marketing scheme by both manufactures.

But, for Boeing, they may skip the B-797 designation and go right into the B-800 series, beginning with the Y-1.

Quoting NoWorries (Reply 3):
I belive the SST was designated as 2707 -- so there is a precedent for x7x7 as a model number.

That is correct, but I doubt Boeing will now go to a four number designation. I might add Lockheed had gotten to four number designations (L-1049, L-1011, etc.).
 
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:06 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 4):
Isnt the 8 also symbolic? As far as I am aware, it is seen as lucky in Asia.

While in the west 7 is seen as a lucky number, I believe you are correct that in the east 8 or 9 is seen as being lucky. Now the number 4............thats another story
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:09 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 4):
Isnt the 8 also symbolic? As far as I am aware, it is seen as lucky in Asia.

You're correct, the number 8 is revered in most asian countries as a lucky number. I believe boeing and airbus, knowing the importance of the asian aviation market, will use the number 8 quite often. I won't speculate as to what a/c replacement gets what number but wouldn't be suprised if y1 ends up being the 838. I guess time will tell.
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:01 am

All of you are thinking WAY inside the box.... they're not out of 7x7 designations at all....
The Arabic numeral system we use is brilliant in that it has no limitations...

7-10-7, 7-11-7, etc...

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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 4):
Isnt the 8 also symbolic? As far as I am aware, it is seen as lucky in Asia.

The number 8 has the almost same pronunciation as "getting rich" or "richness" (if there's such a word). The Chinese character for it is 發 (fa) 8 is pronounced (ba).

I wonder if they'll start using alphabets (ex. 7A7, 7B7...etc). 7X7 sounds so SciFi!  silly 


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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 4):
Isnt the 8 also symbolic? As far as I am aware, it is seen as lucky in Asia.


When Boeing was pursuing Chinese orders for the 7E7, I wondered if they'd rename it the 808. As we all know, it instead became the 787.
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:07 am

Or we could see the advent of the Boeing 807. I doubt Boeing will ever go to model numbers not ending with "7", since all of their commercial aircraft with the excpetion of the 720 (which was itself a variant of the 707) have had their model numbers end in "7".
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:27 am

I think they will start using letter between the 7-7's Like 7E7, and such.
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:28 am

I like the sound of putting letters in between the 7-7.
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:50 am

Quoting T773ER (Reply 13):
I like the sound of putting letters in between the 7-7.

Well, 7E7, 7J7, and 7N7 are already in use.
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Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:01 pm

I think they are using the 747-8 designator because isnt it using 787 technology (engines)?
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:10 am

I hope the planes continue to end with 7, other wise it just wouldn't be the same.
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 14):
Well, 7E7, 7J7, and 7N7 are already in use.

They are not in use per say, but they have been used as temporary designations in the past.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
Now, the number 8 seems to be a "lucky" number in some Asian cultures, which is one reason why the A-380, next B-747, B-787, and A-350 are starting their submodel numbers with "8", or "800".

There were several reasons:

- Airbus claims to have named the A3XX the A380 because the numeral 8 also represented a double fuselage.

- Naming the 7E7 the 787 was simply the most conservative and logical choice given the Boeing legacy since the 707. If the OEM had such a boner for the number 8, you would have seen the 808, which was a serious contender at one point.

- Boeing claims to have named the base 787 variant the -8 because 8,000 nm became the baseline range target for new generation aircraft. Note that the 3,500 nm 787 (initially 7E7-SR) became the -3.

- Boeing likely followed this trend for the 8,000 nm 747-Advanced

- Airbus likely had no intention of being upstaged in marketing, and named the new A350 variants the -800 and -900 respectively. There is a precedent for this: the JT9D version of the DC-10 was suppose to be named the DC-10-20, but Pratt didn't want to seem inferior to the Ge DC-10-30. Thus, Pratt was given the title DC-10-40.

- And of course, the cultural significance to the Asian culture probably helped seal the deal. I think people over-rate this aspect, however. The 787-9 and A350-900 will likely be more popular variants in Asia anyway, and neither the A380-800 or 747-8I are high volume sellers.
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:38 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 14):
Well, 7E7, 7J7, and 7N7 are already in use.

The 7X7 became the Boeing 767.

I think that Boeing should go through the sequence 797, 1707, 1717, 1727, ... and when they get back to doing a supersonic in about 100 years they can call it the 2707. They already have a design for the 2707 so with a little updating, they will be set.
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:24 am

Perhaps Y1 will become 797 and start with 808 for Y3. 8 is lucky is in Asia so it would be good!!
 
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:24 pm

I think 7107 would also be a nice option.
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RE: Whats After The 7-7's For Boeings Planes

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 8):
7-11-7, etc...

Hmm, might make people think they can buy them from their local store with their slurpy...  Cool
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