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BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:13 am

British Airways announced the introduction of 8th daily flight to New York JFK (since 02DEC, but announced on 04DEC)

The new flight...

BA172 JFK0800-1945LHR
BA173 LHR1855-2135JFK

This complements BA178 from JFK as the 2nd daily morning flight to LHR. This is the 8th daily to JFK and the 11th to New York Metro area (3 to EWR).

BA172/173 is the only 777 flight as the other 7 JFK round-trip are 744s for the time being. (BA176/113 show 777 from January 2007)
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:27 am

More capacity on LHR-JFK???

I must thank BA at JFK as they helped me out recently but the last thing they need is another flight to deal with. they have such a small terminal area in T7. They need alot more desks than they currently have!
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:03 pm

They are actually filling 7+ B744s per day with all the competition on the route??
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:30 pm

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):
They are actually filling 7+ B744s per day with all the competition on the route??

Not all flights are 744s.....at least 2 of the services are 777 and yes, the load factors are pretty high, particularly in the premium cabins where it matters most.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:14 pm

Very impressive. I wonder if BA is trying to start the world's first trans-Atlantic hourly shuttle.....

I remember when I was at JFK this summer meeting people I was surprised to see 2 or 3 747s parked side by side.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:31 pm

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
British Airways announced the introduction of 8th daily flight to New York JFK (since 02DEC, but announced on 04DEC)

... but announced already once earlier and extensively dicussed here:

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...general_aviation/read.main/2861973
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:08 pm

JFK is the only place where British Airways owns their terminal(Lease the land). AT LHR they lease the terminal space, JFK is the only place where BA does this. JFK is BA's most important route. Many BIZ types fly BA because they used to fly Concorde and they find their schedule and service better tehn the competitions.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:11 pm

Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo  Wink
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:38 pm

and the way Willie Walsh is going, that might just happen.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo

You would think so. This is a precise benefit of the A380 - consolidate multiple jumbos on heavy density routes and particularly at airports with capacity problems. E.g. BA, CX, QF - all oneworld partners have almost 8 B744s per day operating between HKG and LHR, many within minutes of one another.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Sounds like perfect route for A380 Superjumbo

no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flig

Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:58 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):

no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

 checkmark ..that's what I've been saying,but Danny for some reason has a different view on this...which is ok...because we know he's wrong......Danny, don't hate me for speaking the truth... Smile duck 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:03 am

BA wont decrease frequency with the A380, they will increase capacity.

It has a lower CASM than the current 744's and T7's on the route and the A380 gives BA the scope to increase capacity from slot-restricted LHR & offer more competitive fares on the route.

Every BA JFK run is almost always been full, and J/F is full every time.

With BA its not a case of IF they order the A380, its when.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:29 am

I am sure if BA got the A380 they would not reduce frequency on the New York London route. As it is a premium route business passengers probably want the flexibility that if they miss one flight there is another within an hour or so that they can get on.

If BA had more Concordes they would have probably flown that route more than twice a day!!!
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
This complements BA178 from JFK as the 2nd daily morning flight to LHR. This is the 8th daily to JFK and the 11th to New York Metro area (3 to EWR).

Wow 11 nonstops to the NYC area! That on top of the Manchester and the proposed Cardiff route.

BA must really hogging money out of JFK.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:34 am

Quoting Planetime (Reply 14):
proposed Cardiff route.

There is no proposed Cardiff route.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flig

Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:35 am

Congratulations to BA. oneworld is certainly prime on that route with all of AA's dailies, as well.

Can someone explain the type of passengers that this new flight is aimed at. The JFK-LHR leaves in the morning and arrives at night, spending a whole day traveling. Would this really attract business travelers for the premium cabin? I think most business travelers (or at least their companies) would prefer flights like the return that leaves LHR in the evening and arrives in JFK later that night, allowing maximum time to be spent on the ground in the office/meetings, etc...

That's one of the things that my manager doesn't like about us flying to China on AA and JL. It takes almost 2 full days to get to PEK with the ORD-NRT flight leaving around noon and arriving the next day mid-afternoon in NRT, finally arriving in PEK that night (but I love the NRT stop-over, Jumbo heaven  veryhappy  ).

I'm sure there're other factors in the flight schedule decisions, but just wondering about this side of the business. Would these morning BA flights to LHR be cheaper than the evening ones out of JFK?
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 2:45 am

I am sure a flight that leaves JFK in the morning and arrives at LHR in the evening will attract the business class passengers.

If people need to spend the evening in New York then this will be the first flight you can get back. Also you don't lose a nights sleep, for those that have trouble sleeping on planes!

There is obviously a market for it otherwise BA and the countless other airlines that have daytime US-UK flights from places like Boston, Chicago, washington, would not do it.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:40 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):
no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

Pah, how much of a flexibility loss is it to decrase it from 11 flights to about 7? Considering that they all happen within a ten-hour-period.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
checkmark ..that's what I've been saying,but Danny for some reason has a different view on this...which is ok...because we know he's wrong......Danny, don't hate me for speaking the truth... Smile duck

The truth is that you don't want BA to buy the A380, because it is not a Boeing plane.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

There is no proposed Cardiff route.

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...eneral_aviation/read.main/3127813/

It has been proposed. Unlikely, probably, but proposed for sure.

Apparently NYC-LON routes that leave the US in the morning are quite popular. I took one last summer and it was great. No jet-lag, and you get there at night so you have the entire next day.

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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:05 am

Exactly correct from TIS, thats one of the main attractions of the dayflights in that you handle the time difference much better (my dad did EWR-LHR with VS a few months back) which then allows you a goods night sleep to work the next day. However, you could argue its time wasted actually during the flight, but like everything it has its pros and cons!

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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 19):
It has been proposed. Unlikely, probably, but proposed for sure.

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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Jammin (Reply 16):
Can someone explain the type of passengers that this new flight is aimed at. The JFK-LHR leaves in the morning and arrives at night, spending a whole day traveling. Would this really attract business travelers for the premium cabin? I think most business travelers (or at least their companies) would prefer flights like the return that leaves LHR in the evening and arrives in JFK later that night, allowing maximum time to be spent on the ground in the office/meetings, etc...

I don't think many people will fly their employees on an overnight flight and expect them to be working the day they get into London. The NYC-LHR flights are so short, that once you're airbourne and have had food etc, there is only about 4 hours where you can sleep before breakfast/landing etc. I recently came back on BA176, an overnight return, and i can say that i would have been in no position to work that day.

The overnight flights are the best for getting over jetlag. If I've been staying in Manhattan and I'm on an 8am flight from JFK, then I'm going to be getting up at around 4:30am, which is 9:30am in the UK, which is only an hour or two after I'd normally get up, so I can get back into routine easier.

An early departure wouldn't be attractive for those who don't visit New York often, as they'd say they want to spend the whole day there before getting back, and they wouldn't want to have to drag themselves out of bed that early if they didn't have to. So I'd say the early returns from NYC are predominantly used by business travellers.

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 12):
With BA its not a case of IF they order the A380, its when.

And you have sources to back that up, i trust?

Why does every thread concerning BA have to turn into a "BA, will they order the A380 or won't they?" Unless you have any info which isn't personal preference/opinion based, you might as well wait until they announce an order.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Pah, how much of a flexibility loss is it to decrase it from 11 flights to about 7? Considering that they all happen within a ten-hour-period.

If that was the case, then they would operate 9 or 10 flights with B747-400's.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 12):
BA wont decrease frequency with the A380, they will increase capacity.

It has a lower CASM than the current 744's and T7's on the route and the A380 gives BA the scope to increase capacity from slot-restricted LHR & offer more competitive fares on the route.

Is JFK able to handle the 380? I forgot what the latest status was on this.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):
no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

You really need 8 daily on transatlantic routes? Come on this is ridiculous. 5 daily on A380 will still give flexibility while giving BA much more profit.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flig

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):

The truth is that you don't want BA to buy the A380, because it is not a Boeing plane.

While I have my preference for the 777's (bit obvious)..I have no problems with BA ordering the A380 (aside from the kool aid drinkers going bonkers) if it makes economic sense for them...

I just dont' think the A380 is going to fit with BA increasing frequency....it's really as simple as that..
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 24):
5 daily on A380 will still give flexibility while giving BA much more profit.

On a route like this, business travellers cares about the departure time. If BA consolidates to 5 daily, they definitely lose some advantages. For instace if BA and VS both fly out of JFK at 7pm and BA consolidate it with 8pm and cancel 7pm, people will switch to VS.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 11):
Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 10):

no it doesn't. Customers on this route want flexibility and the multiple frequencies that BA offers gives them this. Reducing frequency to use the A380 wouldn't be attractive to customers.

..that's what I've been saying,but Danny for some reason has a different view on this...which is ok...because we know he's wrong......Danny, don't hate me for speaking the truth...

By the time BA would get the A380 I'd presume the extra capacity could be used without dropping frequency. Remember BA have some of the lowest seating capacity's in their 744's on the JFK route due to the large number of premium seats (291 seats in total)

Quoting Planetime (Reply 14):
Wow 11 nonstops to the NYC area! That on top of the Manchester and the proposed Cardiff route.

Proposed, but won't happen! London is where the yield is and BA don't have any spare aircraft at present.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:30 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
I just dont' think the A380 is going to fit with BA increasing frequency....it's really as simple as that..

Simple is that frequency does matter much less on long-haul than on short-haul. The reason to add 8th flight is not to increase frequency but capacity. But at this time another flight is the only way they can do it, until they get A380  Wink
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:41 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
I don't think many people will fly their employees on an overnight flight and expect them to be working the day they get into London.

Are you kidding me? If you work in finance [especially i-banking], travel to London is typically a one-day affair; arrive at LHR at 6AM, meeting[s] in town, return to LHR at 4PM. And, obviously, you're expected to be alert and on-the-ball at all times. Especially for juniors, no way they would be permitted to 'spend a day relaxing' or fly an early flight and sleep in London.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
Why does every thread concerning BA have to turn into a "BA, will they order the A380 or won't they?" Unless you have any info which isn't personal preference/opinion based, you might as well wait until they announce an order.

I agree. I wish people would stop going on about it.

I do hope however that they DONT order the A380. For starters it is the ugliest aircraft I have ever seen...the nose particuarly.

IMO, the A380 is not right for BA. BA are about frequencies, and they would have to cut down on the LHR - NYC route if they did use the A380 here. Having 11 dailies gives business passengers flexibility. Perhaps BA will have an hourly shuttle....dont see why not!

VS is suited more for the A380, because generally, most of its routes are served only once daily, if not, a few times a week (apart from the LHR - NYC route obviously). Branson always wants the best of everything, so if it means putting gyms, shops, bars etc on his aircraft, then so be it.

BA are a much more modest airline. They like to offer a good international service which is respected, but not too over the top.

Although ordering the 773 and 748 might not seem too much of a change in the BA fleet, they would still be ordering brand new aircraft with more than enough space to offer comfort and flexibility on their routes.

I say forget the A380 BA, and order those Boeing aircraft!
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
You believe everything wikipedia tells you? If so, I have some prime swampland in Florida

I feel compelled to mention that the passage in question has now been removed from Wikipedia.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flig

Wed Dec 06, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 28):
Simple is that frequency does matter much less on long-haul than on short-haul. The reason to add 8th flight is not to increase frequency but capacity. But at this time another flight is the only way they can do it, until they get A380  Wink

If they wanted the extra flight for capacity, the planes would be basically departing at the same time.... Wink


In the next 5-8 years, by the time they need more seats, they can easily go to the 748I.....which is flexible enough for other routes... Smile
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
I don't think many people will fly their employees on an overnight flight and expect them to be working the day they get into...



Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 29):

Sorry, but my manager doesn't really allow for days off after an overseas trip. We're expected to be working the minute we get off the plane on both ends. That was the reasoning to my question. Some business travel is obviously more time dependent than others.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:10 am

So you state this first:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
Unless you have any info which isn't personal preference/opinion based, you might as well wait until they announce an order

And then you go on to write one of the longest post offering nothing factual and only your opinion on the A380 in this discussion. That makes complete sense.  sarcastic 

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 22):
I don't think many people will fly their employees on an overnight flight and expect them to be working the day they get into London. The NYC-LHR flights are so short, that once you're airbourne and have had food etc, there is only about 4 hours where you can sleep before breakfast/landing etc. I recently came back on BA176, an overnight return, and i can say that i would have been in no position to work that day.

And on top of that, those sleep hours aren't coming when you're body is used to sleeping. It's almost more of a power nap than sleep. Though I guess if someone travels enough, you adapt and get used to it. I've had plenty of days where I've gone on only 4 hours of sleep, going to bed at midnight or later and being up at 5 AM for ROTC related stuff, though it does mean I'm pretty much dead by the end of the night.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 26):
On a route like this, business travellers cares about the departure time. If BA consolidates to 5 daily, they definitely lose some advantages. For instace if BA and VS both fly out of JFK at 7pm and BA consolidate it with 8pm and cancel 7pm, people will switch to VS.

So let me see if I have this straight (just to check). BA currently has 7 daily JFK-LHR flights, 6 of those in the evening. If they went to 5 daily A380's, and one of those went to the morning depature, that means there would be 4 daily flights versus six. Given the short time span that these redeye flights takeoff in (looking at ba.com, all the evening JFK-LHR flights depart within 4 hours of each other), you're not affecting each departure by that much time that it would make a huge difference. Plus, while you may lose a few because it's too late, you might gain some other passengers because they now find it easier on their schedule. to make the slightly later flight.

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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 34):
And then you go on to write one of the longest post offering nothing factual and only your opinion on the A380 in this discussion. That makes complete sense.

I wasnt actually stating whether BA WILL or WILL NOT order the A380. I was just stating my opinion on why I don't think they should. Whether they will or not is a different matter!
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:22 am

I would like to see more daylight flights from the US and to Europe.
And also from Asia to Europe. That kind of flights is the best i have
used on my many many many (!) flights...
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 35):
I wasnt actually stating whether BA WILL or WILL NOT order the A380. I was just stating my opinion on why I don't think they should. Whether they will or not is a different matter!

Okay, I'll give you the point that there is some difference, as part of this discussion has revolved around whether or not the A380 is an economical option for BA on the JFK-LHR route.
But your post surely wasn't helped by your opening statement of "I do hope however that they DONT order the A380. For starters it is the ugliest aircraft I have ever seen...the nose particuarly." Now I'm a Boeing guy myself, but even I am smart enough to realize that these sort of statements are what start the flame wars around here and end up killing threads. There's a time and place for whether or not the A380 is ugly, but I don't think this thread was or is the place for that discussion.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:42 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 34):
Given the short time span that these redeye flights takeoff in (looking at ba.com, all the evening JFK-LHR flights depart within 4 hours of each other), you're not affecting each departure by that much time that it would make a huge difference. Plus, while you may lose a few because it's too late, you might gain some other passengers because they now find it easier on their schedule. to make the slightly later flight.

I'd say JFK-LHR is similar to the domestic trunk route like JFK-LAX or YYZ-YVR. The schedules are set for similar purposes. The only gain is force the people who want flight B to fly flight A and probably additional passengers, but you still ended up having people wishing for flight B to simply walk away and choose others.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:06 am

With the 19h45 arrival what connecting cities does BA pick up for an evening arrival in Europe, and beyond? This is like replacing the Concorde in some respects.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 34):
And then you go on to write one of the longest post offering nothing factual and only your opinion on the A380 in this discussion. That makes complete sense.

I haven't said anything about the A380, as that is not what the topic is about (perhaps you should re-read the thread title, and my post)  Yeah sure
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Kiramakora (Reply 23):
Is JFK able to handle the 380? I forgot what the latest status was on this.

Oh, by the time BA orders them and get them, it probably will be...

I think BA probably know what they are doing: the A380 is not yet available, when it will be there will be a LONG backlog, so why spend money NOW on an order while they can just wait (and put more pressure on A due to the 748I coming up so they can save $) and get them pretty much at the same time...

I'm quite sure that when the A380 will attract customers again, BA will jump on it to get good delivery slots...

Same is true IMO for some US airports: why spend the money now as there won't be any A380 coming in the next 1-2-3 years or so... How long does it take to have a A380-ready airport if all the project is ready to go?

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 30):
Branson always wants the best of everything, so if it means putting gyms, shops, bars etc on his aircraft, then so be it.

Yes, even BA ordering the A380 is more likely...

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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 39):
With the 19h45 arrival what connecting cities does BA pick up for an evening arrival in Europe, and beyond? This is like replacing the Concorde in some resp

Middle East destinations such as DXB, KWI....
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 40):
I haven't said anything about the A380, as that is not what the topic is about (perhaps you should re-read the thread title, and my post)

Sorry. That was a misquote. My comment was directed at 8herveg. I had to redo the post because the HTML got screwed up and I apparently didn't correctly requote and copy and paste what I was trying to get . Again, my apologies.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
With the 19h45 arrival what connecting cities does BA pick up for an evening arrival in Europe, and beyond?

Tel Aviv, Mumbai, Delhi, Dubai, Kuwait, Abuja, Beirut, Amman, Damascus, Bangkok, Moscow.
 
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:18 am

Just did the non rev thing with my son JFK-CDG via LHR. Left Thursday, returned Sunday. On the flight over First was full. Business was over by 1, premium economy was full as well. Coach had a few seats, but was hardly empty. As a matter of fact, some of the flight crew apologized that they couldn't move me up a class. On the return First/Business/premium economy were all full, and economy mat have had a spare seat, but only may have. One of the f/a's said i did well to get on, there wasn't a spare seat in the house. Anyway, this is supposed to be the more quiet time, and they (on these two flights anyway) were anyting but quiet. I don't think filling the flight there and back is going to be an issue. Just my $0.02
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:26 am

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 44):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 42):
With the 19h45 arrival what connecting cities does BA pick up for an evening arrival in Europe, and beyond?

Tel Aviv, Mumbai, Delhi, Dubai, Kuwait, Abuja, Beirut, Amman, Damascus, Bangkok, Moscow.

er..I didn't make that quote, only responded with some cities which you just mentioned.. Wink
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 2):
They are actually filling 7+ B744s per day with all the competition on the route??

What competition? Their partner, AA?  scratchchin 
Who else other than, I think Air India, flies JFK-LHR?

They sure have the frequency but I gotta wonder about the yields.
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:37 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 47):
Who else other than, I think Air India, flies JFK-LHR?

VS fly LHR-JFK...and then there is DL's JFK-LGW, CO's EWR-LGW...on top of MaxJet's JFK-STN flights
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RE: BA Launch 11th Daily LHR-NYC (8th To JFK) Flight

Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 47):
What competition? Their partner, AA?
Who else other than, I think Air India, flies JFK-LHR?

AA JFK-LHR 6X Somedays 7X
VS JFK-LHR 5X
BA JFK-LHR 8X
AI JFK-LHR 1X (Air India)
KU JFK-LHR 1X (Kuwaiti)
DL JFK-LGW 1X will go to 2X shortly
EOS JFK-STN 1X
Max Jet JFk-STN 1X

VS EWR-LHR 2X
BA EWR-LHR 3X
CO EWR-LGW 2X

If there is anymore please add them on. But this is really a LOT of flights between these two great cities.

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 38):
I'd say JFK-LHR is similar to the domestic trunk route like JFK-LAX or YYZ-YVR.

Going by the frequency you are absolutely correct.