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Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:05 am

After the demise of Alpha Jet Aviation (Ajet) in Cyprus, Excel Airways, is going to base a number of aircrafts in Cyprus to fill in the gap. Training of local personell is already on the way.

Anybody holds more information to share on the issue concerning operations and number / type of aircraft to be transferred ?
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:54 am

Hi there

This was discussed a few weeks ago but we could not find any more information

It seems that things are moving very slowly.

For the original post click below

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...searchid=3112881&s=excel#ID3112881
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:38 am

I only hope that the Cypriots and all other pax ex-Cyprus don't suffer the same lengthly delays as us poor old brit holidaymakers  Big grin
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:38 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 2):
I only hope that the Cypriots and all other pax ex-Cyprus don't suffer the same lengthly delays as us poor old brit holidaymakers Big grin

The 734 is now gone (thankfully  Wink ) and the 757s should also soon be going. Leaving XLA with 738s, 762/763 and 743 a/c  Wink
On order are 73Gs, 738s and 739s along with some A330s  crazy 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
On order are 73Gs, 738s and 739s along with some A330s

An A330 in XL colours, now THAT I would like to see. I think it would look great! What routes are they planning to fly, re they just picking up from where ajet left off?
And what's with that 743??? it's manky and always going tech! I had the displeasure of positining on it to TAB a few weeks ago!
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 4):
And what's with that 743??? it's manky and always going tech! I had the displeasure of positining on it to TAB a few weeks ago!

Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?

Ahhh sorry you got me there, Gkirk!
I was so peeved at not flying BA/VS that I omitted to get the reg. But whichever it was, it needed to either be scrapped/completely refurbed. The pax infront (fare paying of course) said.
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:04 am

Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL.So really they are only going back to run what would have been operating anyway.
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:22 pm

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7):
Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL

Excel became independent following a managment buy out last month I belive.

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Which one? Think they have 4/5 of them?

At the moment the only have one TF-AME

The have acquired two a/c from aJet along the way. G-OXLB (ex 5B-BDH) and recently G-OXLC (ex 5B-BCE) which the latter is awaiting livery at FZO.

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 9):
The have acquired two a/c from aJet along the way. G-OXLB (ex 5B-BDH) and recently G-OXLC (ex 5B-BCE) which the latter is awaiting livery at FZO.

So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!

of course - this is Excel or ''XL'' we're talking bout
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:41 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 11):
Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):
So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft! Brace yourselves Cyprus!

of course - this is Excel or ''XL'' we're talking bout

Why are they unreliable???? Because they were operated by Ajet? Its an aircraft for god sake! Why do Cyprus have to "brace themselves"?

G-OXLC is a brand new aircraft, built in May 2006. Look just because one of Helios had one incident doesn't mean the rest of the fleet is a threat.

Sit down  Wink Come back when you know about abit more about XL

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:58 am

True...

Does this mean XL will be operating scheduled Cypriot flights?
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:49 am

Why did Helios, and ajet fail? Because they were extremely unreliable!... Also because they had major safety issues!

I'm not saying XLA aren't going to be able to rectify these problems, I wish them the very best of luck, all I'm saying is I predict it will be a turbulent first year for them!
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:25 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14):
Why did Helios, and ajet fail? Because they were extremely unreliable!... Also because they had major safety issues!

Listen they had ONE accident! It stattered their repetution yes, but now its under the XL brand.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14):
I'm not saying XLA aren't going to be able to rectify these problems, I wish them the very best of luck, all I'm saying is I predict it will be a turbulent first year for them!

Wait a minute! First you say its not going to work, now your saying it will? Which is it?

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:36 pm

FCAFLYBOY TAB is a 767 route, dont recall the 743 covering for the 767 in the last few weeks, could be wrong but dont remember it.
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyp

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 10):

So you say they're unreliable - back this up with some facts and figures or I may be tempted to think you're reverting to your anti XL prejudice you suffered from earlier this year....

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 7):
Of course Ajet was, so far as I understand it, actually owned by the holding company that owns XL.So really they are only going back to run what would have been operating anyway.

You're on the right track, but not quite there... I think this is a bit closer to the situation.
Excel were originally (part)?) owned by Libra Holidays group - they sold Excel to the Icelandic Avion Group.

The Libra Holidays group then took a stake in (or formed, not too sure of the timeline) Helios

Helios / Ajet was never owned by Avion.

Excel has been bought out by their management (renamed XL) and is now going to set up a base in Cyprus.
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:55 pm

Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:49 pm

Arent the 743s to be replaced by 744s?
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 18):

You raise a good point about how you should respond to claptrap when it is posted - like you said, you can ignore it, but sometimes I like to challenge.

If a poster can't come up with a few facts to back up erroneous opinions, then as far as I am concerned it just discredits any opinions they have...  Smile

Not all those who read a thread will have realised the nonsense that is propagated.
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 18):
Diesel1, do as I do mate, ingore the likes of CWLdude, people who spend their time bleating about how certain airlines should be run, when they dont have any facts or any appreciation for the damage they can cause with their armchair theories.

Spot on Steady Eddie! I hate people who just base airlines on opinions rather than facts or figures.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 19):
Arent the 743s to be replaced by 744s?

I think this idea has now been scrapped with the order of the A330's

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:00 am

Right, the facts and figures on Excel Airways for the first half of this summer season:

Reliable airline ranking : 7/8
Average delay: 40.80 minutes
On-Time Performance: 61.79%
15.32% of flights were delayed more than an hour
5.37% of flights were delayed more than three hours

Granted, they've improved a mere 3% on last year, but it's gonna take a lot more than that!

I can't seem to find where I've read about AlphaJet being under investigation for their lack of safety, I know they've only had one crash, but I definately remember reading somewhere that they had a few other serious problems that needed sorted.

I haven't got time to look into it now anyway, I'm off out, but I'll certainly look into it when I next get a chance! Not that I need to though... as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA... they don't just close an airline down because they feel like it!

Oh, and by the way... I don't dislike Excel for the fun of it, I remember the day when I thought they were the best airline in the charter industry, and they were!... look at them now!

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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyp

Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 22):

Try answering the question.

You said "So they're basically going to be operating two very unreliable aircraft"

What facts do you have to that show that the aforementioned aircraft are
unreliable?

The on-time performance of the airline that you give (no source by the way) is no indication of the reliability of otherwise of individual aircraft.

Go ahead... I have a totally open mind on this, so convince me.
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 22):
as part of the reason they have ceased to operate is due to a decision by the Cypriot CAA...

To be fair, the exact reason for Cypriot CAA deciding to stop ajet operations has nothing to do with safety.

The story goes like this:

Ajet is in huge debt due to the crash and the inability of the management to find short term solution to enhance the company cash flow.

Ajet management decide that ajet would cease operations in 3 months from the announcement in november.

On hearing of the announcement, debtors "rush" to get all they can out of the company in fear they would loose more money.

Ajet decide that the company will stop operations immediately. They hand it the appropriate paperwork to the Cypriot CAA but at the same day try to perform 3 flights. It was then when the CAA stopped them on the basis of the submitted letter that ajet was to stop operations with immediate effect.

A bit complicated story but that's what happened.
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:41 pm

CWLdude

you're at it again.

Please can you just explain how a year old next-generation B737-800 can be deemed by you as being unreliable.

I have just read your myspace profile and all my worst suspicions were confirmed.
 
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RE: Excel Airways Is Going To Base Aircraft In Cyprus

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 17):
You're on the right track, but not quite there... I think this is a bit closer to the situation.
Excel were originally (part)?) owned by Libra Holidays group - they sold Excel to the Icelandic Avion Group.

The Libra Holidays group then took a stake in (or formed, not too sure of the timeline) Helios

Helios / Ajet was never owned by Avion.

Excel has been bought out by their management (renamed XL) and is now going to set up a base in Cyprus.

Spot on Diesel as usual! You are right in saying Libra took a stake in Helios, they were already a going concern Libra just bought them, didn't form them.

Not only were Helios/AJet never part of Avion, Helios and Excel were never under the same ownership. As Diesel said, Excel and Helios have both been owned by Libra, but at different times.

The relationship really is that a lot of AJets flying was for Excel Aviation (Excel's brokering division). I think all of Libra's seats are brokered by Excel. Basically, with AJet gone, Excel are going in to do the job themselves.

Can I also add that the management buy-out is paobably the best thing that could have happened to XL. And I think a lot of people may be in for a shock this summer with regards to Excel's performance!