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JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:31 am

Not as exciting as the 747-8I order from LH, but still interesting to those in the northeast maybe. from this morning's Boston Globe:

JetBlue Airways Corp. chief executive David Neeleman opened the door to the possibility yesterday, saying the discount airline would be eager to buy gates at LaGuardia Airport in New York and Reagan National Airport in Washington, if US Airways succeeds in its $8 billion hostile takeover bid for bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc. and is ordered by federal antitrust regulators to divest the gates. US Airways has said it would probably sell the Delta operation, which flies from Boston to New York, and New York to Washington, and keep its own shuttle.

"Those are things we would jump on and be in the mix," Neeleman said during an investor presentation. "If we could justify it, we could get the money to do it."

In a follow-up interview, Neeleman spokeswoman Jenny Dervin said it's not certain the airline would use gates at LaGuardia for a Boston-New York shuttle. "Operating a shuttle would be one option. We can think of quite a few other purposes as well," Dervin said in an e-mail.

Dervin said JetBlue's frequent service among Logan International Airport, John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, and Dulles International Airport outside Washington, D.C., "is doing very well, so we would think very carefully about the best use of LaGuardia and Reagan National assets."



full article at:

http://www.boston.com/business/artic...blue_hints_of_interest_in_shuttle/

jetBlue has had some amazing growth, especially at BOS, so we'll see what happens...

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:00 am

First WN now B6, who else wants those spots? FL? F9? The players keep commin....

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:07 am

The shuttle routes are very popular and no matter what kind of success we have on our own JFK-BOS-IAD route, the DCA-LGA-BOS shuttle routes will be extremely sought after.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:08 am

If the Marine Air Terminal were to become vacant, I could see B6 moving in there in a flash.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If the Marine Air Terminal were to become vacant, I could see B6 moving in there in a flash.

If B6 doesn't get the slots, who does? WN?
I doubt B6 wants that....
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:14 am

Quoting Richierich (Reply 4):
If B6 doesn't get the slots, who does? WN?
I doubt B6 wants that....

That will be one hell of a battle, thats for sure...US...er DL will get way more for those slots/gates then they are worth.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:17 am

I don't think B6 could out bid Southwest here. WN has been waiting for a chance like this and is probably going to fight like mad for the slots/gates. I just don't think B6 can afford to keep WN out.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 5):
That will be one hell of a battle, thats for sure...US...er DL will get way more for those slots/gates then they are worth

Personally, I don't think any of this conjecture is going to amount to anything. DL does not want to rid itself of LGA slots or real estate, that I am sure about.

But, hypothetically, if they were to divest their LGA slots, you are correct Gift4tbone that they would be worth a mint to the highest bidder (WN/B6/Other)....
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:33 am

I highly doubt we'll see WN in BOS only because they all ready fly out of PVD and MHT, and jetBlue would outbid them anyway to gain a monopoly on the JFK/LGA market.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:41 am

In the all unlikely hood of Delta selling off the Shuttle Routes, I could see several airlines bidding on the slots and gates.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:52 am

I could see a few airlines going for the slots but WN, I don't know. They would be starting 3 new stations to run the routes, the kinds of airports their business plan has them staying away from, I just don't think WN would go after it. Most likely B6 AA and FL will want them and I don't know who would get it, assuming DL gives them up!

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:05 pm

If the shuttle were to come on the market (so to speak) I would expect to see a biddng war between B6 and AA. Both have the customer base in BOS, NYC, WAS and could be strong in the corridor. Ineresting, if it ever were to happen.
 
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If the Marine Air Terminal were to become vacant, I could see B6 moving in there in a flash.

Doesnt CO own the Marine terminal? They'll leave that fucker empty before they let B6 have it
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Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:12 pm

Wouldn't this be a great way for Virgin America to enter the market with a bang?  Wink
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
Doesnt CO own the Marine terminal? They'll leave that fucker empty before they let B6 have it

CO actually owns the US terminal.


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JetBlue will do whatever it has to in order to pick up a Shuttle operation in the event of a US/DL merger.....flying a BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle is just what JetBLue needs to establish itself with business travellers. BOS-JFK-IAD is one thing, but the real money is to be made with the Shuttle routes.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:09 pm

WN will pay top dollar and get the LGA and DCA gates and landing slots. Then they'll immediately turn around and sue the FAA so they can fly nonstop to LAS and PHX, perimeter rule be damned.
 
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:17 pm

I really don't see WN making a move for LGA - they'd have fits with the delays that the airport has.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:24 pm

I think any shuttle operation takeover will go to American Airlines. They have deeper pockets than jetBlue, and it is no secret, they want it badly.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
flying a BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle is just what JetBLue needs to establish itself with business travellers

From what i hear jetBlue has made quite a splash already with the BOS-JFK service.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
WN will pay top dollar and get the LGA and DCA gates and landing slots.

I highly doubt WN would spend all the money it would take to secure a few slots a LGA, an already crowded market. Maybe DCA but WN seems more concentrated on new unestblished markets. then again, LGA would be wise move.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 10):
I could see a few airlines going for the slots but WN, I don't know. They would be starting 3 new stations to run the routes, the kinds of airports their business plan has them staying away from, I just don't think WN would go after it. Most likely B6 AA and FL will want them and I don't know who would get it, assuming DL gives them up!

Are the slots dictated for LGA-BOS shuttle service? I'm sure WN could find other places to use them!
I know that publically WN has little interest in LGA but I wonder if privately they would love to seize the opportunity. They really desire (need?) a foothold into the New York City market and this would provide those means.

Quoting Mir (Reply 16):
I really don't see WN making a move for LGA - they'd have fits with the delays that the airport has.

Agree with the idea as far as operations but the desire to be in NYC might outweigh this. After all, PHL is/was also rife with delays and WN has quickly become the #2 carrier there.

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 18):
From what i hear jetBlue has made quite a splash already with the BOS-JFK service.

They have?
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If the Marine Air Terminal were to become vacant, I could see B6 moving in there in a flash.

Doubt it...Even if US and Delta did merge, they would probably keep the Delta Shuttle operation rather than the "US Shuttle" which is basically part of mainline these days.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
I think any shuttle operation takeover will go to American Airlines.

Agreed. What would be interested to note is what aircraft they would operate on it...
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Thread starter):
JetBlue Airways Corp. chief executive David Neeleman opened the door to the possibility yesterday, saying the discount airline would be eager to buy gates at LaGuardia Airport in New York and Reagan National Airport in Washington, if US Airways succeeds in its $8 billion hostile takeover bid for bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc. and is ordered by federal antitrust regulators to divest the gates.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
It must be nice to want.

Well, clearly if the opportunity presents itself, then it is a valid "want". He's sticking the JetBlue stake in the ground.
Now "if" this should happen, well that is a different question. I don't think it will either.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:21 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
Doubt it...Even if US and Delta did merge, they would probably keep the Delta Shuttle operation rather than the "US Shuttle" which is basically part of mainline these days.

Well, except for the quote from the article cited in the thread starter:

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Thread starter):
US Airways has said it would probably sell the Delta operation, which flies from Boston to New York, and New York to Washington, and keep its own shuttle.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 23):
Well, except for the quote from the article cited in the thread starter:

Perhaps but it would make no sense for them to sell the more profitable Shuttle operation with its own terminal rather than the US Shuttle operation...
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:34 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 24):
Perhaps but it would make no sense for them to sell the more profitable Shuttle operation with its own terminal rather than the US Shuttle operation...

I don't disagree, but the article says that USAirways sees it differently.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 24):
Perhaps but it would make no sense for them to sell the more profitable Shuttle operation with its own terminal rather than the US Shuttle operation...

Yes, but the US Airways terminal at LGA is much larger than Delta's portion of the DL/NW terminal. And it would be far easier to sell off the Marine Air Terminal operation (or just sublease the facility) than it would be to sublease gates in their own terminal. It just makes more sense operationally if they can consolidate as much as they can into one terminal. And I don't think they'd be allowed to keep the Delta facilities as part of any antitrust settlement to facilitate the merger.

Quoting HighFlyer9790 (Reply 8):
I highly doubt we'll see WN in BOS only because they all ready fly out of PVD and MHT, and jetBlue would outbid them anyway to gain a monopoly on the JFK/LGA market.

Just as we have seen Southwest avoid IAD because of BWI, PBI because of FLL, and SJC because of OAK?

A bidding war over Shuttle assets could prove to be very interesting. JetBlue and AirTran would obviously be interested, but Southwest and American have the deepest pockets.
 
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
WN will pay top dollar and get the LGA and DCA gates and landing slots. Then they'll immediately turn around and sue the FAA so they can fly nonstop to LAS and PHX, perimeter rule be damned.

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:40 am

B6 wont get anything. They may sell off the US operation, but they'll keep the DL terminal. Everyone can beg and beg for slots but CO will not let them park at the empty Marine terminal.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 15):
Then they'll immediately turn around and sue the FAA so they can fly nonstop to LAS and PHX, perimeter rule be damned.

The perimeter rule is a law. A federal law. You can't sue the federal government anyway.

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Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:45 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 28):
Everyone can beg and beg for slots but CO will not let them park at the empty Marine terminal.

We have already determined that CO owns the US Terminal, not the Marine Air Terminal.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:42 am

This hostile takeover bid is DOA. For weeks now there have been rumors for one way or the other, but the fact of the matter is investors would rather keep ailing Delta Airlines just the way it is... in the hopes of gaining future returns. I think most Delta creditors find the US Airways bid insulting. Someone else on A.net described it as pennies to the dollar. Additionally, the US Airways bid hasn't started a bidding war at all... I think the whole point of a hostile takeover is to force a sell... without better competing bids US Airways certainly can't up the anty to buy.

Delta Airlines selling to US Airways is a blasted pipe dream. I suspect within 10 years, when the American airline industry goes through another couple of rollercoaster bankruptcy cycles, it will be interesting to see who is still left standing.
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:07 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 29):
The perimeter rule is a law. A federal law.

Isn't the Wright Amendment a federal law as well?

And look how that turned out...

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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting Richierich (Reply 19):
They have?

well, as far as i know they have done nothing but increase flights....
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 29):
The perimeter rule is a law. A federal law. You can't sue the federal government anyway.

WN didn't care much about the law in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex. Why would they care anywhere else?
 
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RE: JetBlue Hints Of Interest In Shuttle

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 24):
Perhaps but it would make no sense for them to sell the more profitable Shuttle operation with its own terminal rather than the US Shuttle operation...

Sorry to break it to you, but the US Shuttle is more profitable than the DL Shuttle, even if you just consider the two LGA routes. Throw in BOS-DCA, and the US Shuttle is *way* more profitable.
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