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First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:16 pm

SEATTLE, Dec. 7 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- The Boeing Company (NYSE:BA) today confirmed that UK-based carrier and integrated-tour operator First Choice Airways has ordered an additional two Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners with deliveries beginning in 2011. This order previously was listed on Boeing's Orders and Deliveries webpage attributed to an unidentified customer.

First Choice, the European launch customer for the 787, placed its first order for six 787s in July 2004. With today's announcement, First Choice now has eight 787s on order. Boeing will deliver First Choice's first 787 in the first quarter of 2009.


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Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:23 pm

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:28 pm

Here is an easier link;

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061207/sfw095.html?.v=74

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:11 am

Any First Choice insiders on a.net? (either First Choice Holidays or First Choice Airways)

Questions:
1) I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

2) With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:18 am

UK Charter companies regularly send their aircraft over to Canada for the winter season because it's the high season over there and the low season over here!

Rumours have been circulating a lot recently that FCA are going to go exclusively long-haul! So let's just wait and see what the future brings...
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 5):
Rumours have been circulating a lot recently that FCA are going to go exclusively long-haul! So let's just wait and see what the future brings...

Thats probably come about with the possible sale of First Choice mainstream package holiday business to MyTravel or Thomas Cook. However the big question is would First Choice retain the long haul package holiday business or get rid of the whole lot?
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:15 pm

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
1) I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

The 787's will be used MAINLY on LH. This may change depending on whether
First Choice SELLS it's SH operations OR it BUYS MyTravels (which is looking VERY likely at the moment, wink wink)

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.
 
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:52 am

FCAFLYBOY: Thanks for the info!
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.

The 757s were not that bad, I liked them although the A320 was a dream to work on  Smile (Although AU had its moments...)

I wish all my former FCA colleagues the best of luck with the 787 ops & I might come back some other time  Smile

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
I hear they'll have up to six 763's in the new config (33" pitch in economy with AVOD for all seats) by 2007. And those 763s are for long haul use exclusively? Will the 787s replace the 763s on a one-for-one basis once they begin arriving in 2009?

That's correct. The original 787 order for 6 aircraft matched the planned 767 fleet of 6 aircraft at the time. The order did not go beyond that as the concept of the low-density layout with wider seats, extra legroom and AVOD had not been tried and proven.

As of now with the current 767 fleet standing at 5 (G-OOAN/G-OOBK/G-OOBL/G-OOBM/G-DBLA) with the 6th aircraft (G-PJLO) due in a few weeks, the concept has been proven and the airline can go ahead with further expansion - bearing in mind that the current fleet is already a significant expansion over the 2 767s in service at the time of the original 7E7 order.

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The only regular 767 (and 787) flying is long-haul with only occasional short-haul usage to cover operational problems or to provide very occasional extra capacity, with only 258 seats the new 767 layout is uneconomical for short-haul routes when compared to the old 312 seat layout which was regularly scheduled for short-haul flying. Most short-haul flying in the summers were midweek but during the winter the aircraft also flew short-haul at weekends on ski flights to GVA/SZG/GNB.

The 787 (and 767) will not be scheduled for short-haul flying as long as they remain in their current low-density layouts.

Quoting CXH (Reply 4):
With the decline in short haul (i.e Spain) from the UK by FCA, will some of the older 752s start going away? In Canada, Skyservice is flying lots of older FCA (and MyTravel?) 752s during the winter.

The 757 fleet is stable at the moment, with no disposals planned for the next couple of years - I believe 2009 is the next end-of-lease in the 757 fleet. The slight reduction in short-haul capacity is being achieved by the reduction in the A321 fleet (and soon the A320 as well)

Most of the 757 fleet were acquired fairly recently, either as some of the last Boeing new built aircraft or on the second-hand market (after refurbishment with flat screen IFE monitors etc)

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
FCA (and staff) can't WAIT to get rid of the 752s. Shorthaul will be a320/321 only then and much better suited.

That's not true at all...

Whatever your personal opinions that isn't what the airline thinks!

Most of the future fleet plans include the 757 in some form or another - either alongside the 787/738/739 or 787 plus new 320/321 aircraft. The only fleet plans not including the 757 is 787 plus 737/320 replacement aircraft yet to be launched by Boeing/Airbus. Personally I think the latter will be the route the company goes down and the 757 fleet will be retained until Boeing/Airbus can provide a replacement for the whole narrowbody fleet.

For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities - vital for destinations such as The Gambia and Egypt as well as ETOPS capabilities for missions such as the TCS Expeditions contract and long-haul backup duties. Also the cross-scheduling of pilots with the long-haul 767 is an economic benefit to both fleets in terms of crew utilization and flexibility.

The 757/767 fleet is the backbone of the airline, with no plans to dispose of the 767 until the 787 fleet arrives - and no definite plans to dispose of the 757 fleet at all save for a couple of lease returns on the oldest aircraft in 2009.

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:40 am

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 7):
The 787's will be used MAINLY on LH. This may change depending on whether
First Choice SELLS it's SH operations OR it BUYS MyTravels (which is looking VERY likely at the moment, wink wink)

Surely you mean how MYT will probably buy FCA's SH ops? I think it would be highly contradictory if FCA suddenly bought MYT's SH ops, as it would go against their plan of focussing on the LH.
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 6):
Thats probably come about with the possible sale of First Choice mainstream package holiday business to MyTravel or Thomas Cook. However the big question is would First Choice retain the long haul package holiday business or get rid of the whole lot?

MyTravel will serve short haul holidays and First Choice will serve long haul holidays. This has been confirmed in resort at the weekend by one of my friends who works for First Choice.
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 10):
For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities

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Good overview as always Crosswind, I hear simlar comments often from a friend who works in FLA op's, the 757 is irreplaceable with the current fleet setup, from a route planning and economic view point. It dose the job.
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 12):

That may yet turn out to be the situation... but a resort worker for a tour operator is not going to be privy to confidential information like that.
so it is most definitely not confirmed.
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 14):
That may yet turn out to be the situation... but a resort worker for a tour operator is not going to be privy to confidential information like that.
so it is most definitely not confirmed

It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 15):
It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.

Not at all true. I work for the airline and no-one apart from senior management has any clue as to what our future holds. Uncertain times we live in.
 
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:01 am

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Two more frames for GE...

Lol..sometimes you crack me up PM.... Smile
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 10):
For FCA the 757 is irreplaceable, due to it's payload/range capabilities - vital for destinations such as The Gambia and Egypt as well as ETOPS capabilities for missions such as the TCS Expeditions contract

What does the TCS Expeditions contract involve?
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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:35 am

Humberside,

The TCS Expeditions contract basically requires that one of our aircraft, every winter, is reconfigured from the 233 seat (economy class) layout to a 90 seat, business class style layout. This incorporates large leather double seats instead of the usual economy triple seats.

The aircraft (This season it is G-OOBA) is then sent on a tour, which normally lasts around 2-3 weeks, which will have a specific theme...something like 'The 7 Wonders of the World'.

FCA supply the aircraft and its Flight Crew, Cabin Crew and Engineers.....and there is also a travelling TCS representative who gives on board presentations regarding the next destination.

All in all it seems a rather expensive venture for the lucky passengers who get to go on the trip........I heard a rumour that the cost for the trip was over $20,000!!!....but how true that is i have no idea...so feel free to correct me if this is incorrect.

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 17):
Lol..sometimes you crack me up PM....  Smile

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RE: First Choice Order More Boeing 787s

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:55 pm

Quoting Sunshine79 (Reply 15):
It is common knowledge to everyone that I know who works in the travel indstry here, and both companies aren´t trying to keep it quiet.

There is no common knowledge, only rumours and ideas on what might occur. I believe something along those lines will happen, but it's too early to tell. Anything could happen at this point, and one cannot post on the subject with any certainty.
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