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Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:48 pm

Great article about the 787 progress to date. Check out the virtual final assembly of the 787 (link in the page), that is pretty cool.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5386_boeing07.html?syndication=rss
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:00 am

(Excerpt from the article)

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The large, bulbous converted 747s that will ferry sections of the 787 Dreamliner around the globe will be painted white with a new marketing name on the side: Dreamlifter.

Good name!  Smile
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:25 am

From the linked article (fair use):

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"We really don't have time for them not to fit," Mark Jenks, who leads the design and production of the jet's wings and tail, said in the video presentation. "When they come together the first time, they have to fit."

Sounds like a jab at EADS here.
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
Sounds like a jab at EADS here.

Just because they're stating an obvious truth, it doesn't mean it's a jab at a company who missed that same obvious truth.
 
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:46 am

Video: Boeing completes first final assembly of 787 (virtually); and everything fits

Boeing has completed its first successful full three dimensional virtual final assembly for the 787 in a test of all build processes of the new aircraft...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...(virtually)%3b+and+everything.html
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 3):
Just because they're stating an obvious truth, it doesn't mean it's a jab at a company who missed that same obvious truth.

At the same event they handed out wiring harnesses as swag?  Wink
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:45 am

For me this is the most interesting piece of story:

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• The 787 development costs remain below the commitment made to the Boeing board in 2003, despite the recent increase in spending. Boeing hasn't disclosed that amount, but analysts estimate total costs at about $10 billion.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...5386_boeing07.html?syndication=rss

Looks like 787 is going to be underbudget, or at least right on.

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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting PolymerPlane (Reply 6):
Looks like 787 is going to be underbudget, or at least right on.

So in other words..."less than what we asked for, but more than what we hoped for."
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:09 am

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Still, even this smooth digital simulation won't translate into perfection in the real world.

Kevin Fowler, vice president in charge of processes and tools, said the virtual model will not ensure an exact fit for all parts.

Traditionally, airplane assemblers have always had to insert little pieces — called shims — to fill the spaces between parts that don't fit perfectly. On the 787, Fowler said, machinists will be supplied with kits of pre-made shims, customized for each particular section they are working on.

"There will be shims, but far fewer," Fowler said.

Less shims=less weight.
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:30 am

Reading this article gives great insight into Boeing's advanced use of CAD tools and how well they have been integrated into the design process. This quote illustrates very clearly how far ahead Boeing is in this regard:

"Dassault Chief Executive Bernard Charles said that while Airbus used the company's CATIA computer-design tools on the A380 project, it did not use its global-collaboration software or the production-simulation software.

Such tools, he said, could have avoided some of the issues that have troubled the A380 program.

But Charles said Airbus is beginning to use the software Boeing displayed Wednesday, "starting now."


If Airbus is "starting now" they truly are a decade behind Boeing.  yes 
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:47 am

Yeay for DELMIA (or QUEST as it was known back when I was playing with it). Such a great package, especially combined with CATIA like Boeing is doing
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:00 am

Nice video....could have benefited from some narration...or something!

I am still amazed at the fact they will be able to assemble a complete aircraft in just 3 days! That is just mind boggling.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
"We really don't have time for them not to fit," Mark Jenks, who leads the design and production of the jet's wings and tail, said in the video presentation. "When they come together the first time, they have to fit."

I don't see that as jab at all, only a statement of fact, that is made even more incredible, by the fact that all these parts that need to fit the first time, will be coming from all four corners of the globe!
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:03 am

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The database, 16 terabytes in size, is held on computer servers in Bellevue and can be accessed by Boeing's major partners around the world.

How many gigabytes is that?
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:13 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 12):
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The database, 16 terabytes in size, is held on computer servers in Bellevue and can be accessed by Boeing's major partners around the world.

How many gigabytes is that?

16000 gigabytes, just "a tad" more hard drive-space than I have on my computer

Or to be correct when it comes to computer terms:
16 TB = 16384 GB

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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
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"We really don't have time for them not to fit," Mark Jenks, who leads the design and production of the jet's wings and tail, said in the video presentation. "When they come together the first time, they have to fit."

Sounds like a jab at EADS here.

Hmm. Sounds more like an admission of some white-knuckle engineering to me.
 
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 9):
If Airbus is "starting now" they truly are a decade behind Boeing. yes

SMARTEAM is a reasonably new addition to the Dassault PLM family, and Boeing is one of its earlier adopters.

Airbus is hardly 10 years behind. The A330/340 were designed using CATIA as well.

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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
Airbus is hardly 10 years behind.

I don't believe that this is the context that Airbus meant that they were "a decade behind," but they did say just that.
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RE: Zeal Is Real Over 787's Virtual Rollout

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 15):
Airbus is hardly 10 years behind. The A330/340 were designed using CATIA as well.

Airbus is only using CATIA, and only now getting their entire staff working on the same version. Given the A380 debacle and its roots in misuse of software, I believe Airbus has a long way to go putting their house in order (but I am confident they will do so).

IIRC, Boeing is using CATIA and DELMIA, ENOVIA, and SMARTEAM. The virtual-assembly demonstration is evidence of their active and competent use of these systems. Take note of the development time for the 7E7/787 vs. the Airbus plan for the A350. It's clear evidence of Boeing's accelerated development cycle, and that's largely driven by use of these advanced software tools.

As for the "10 years" comment; that came from Airbus (former CEO Christian Streiff).
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