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Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:33 pm

I have often wondered why Alaska does not fly MD80's into SNA. I do not ever recall seeing one and the most recent picture I can find of one there is from 1996. Does anyone know the reason for this?
 
ScottB
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:41 pm

Almost certainly due to the fact that SNA is in a very noise-sensitive area. And I would guess that if you want to get more slots at SNA as they become available, it's a good idea to make nice with the airport by not annoying the neighbors.
 
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:44 pm

American flies their MD-80s into there, so I'm not sure if it's the noise.
 
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:25 pm

Even thought AA does fly MD's into SNA, Scott is correct. Though in the past AS has flown MD80's in when the Santa Ana winds were blowing, but it was an emergency A/C sub at the time. This was years ago though.

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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:23 pm

Alaska use to rotate MD-80s through SNA regularly until the 737-400 arrived. As the airline had more and more of these a/c delivered, the 737-400 became the backbone to SNA flights. Once the 737-700 arrived into the AS fleet, Alaska Airlines could finally fill any spectrum into the field. They could operate an aircraft quietly, filled with pax, and nonstop to any of their destinations served. Meaning, fuel diversions and enroute stops that were necessary before with the 737-400 sometimes due to heavy loads, opposite winds, noise abatement were no longer necessary once the -700 was placed into service and on the SNA flights.
 
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:38 pm

There used to be an embargo on non-rev travelling into SNA on AS. As for the M80's, it had alot to do with the noise abatement restrictions imposed on them. That was coming from corporate HQ in 1998.
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:51 pm

There are also wieght restrictions on MD-80's due to the short runway.
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Speedbird747
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 6):
There are also wieght restrictions on MD-80's due to the short runway.

How long is the runway at SNA? Sorry for my ignorance...
 
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:35 am

Quoting Speedbird747 (Reply 7):
How long is the runway at SNA?

5,700 feet. It is one of the shortest commerical runways in the US.
 
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:52 am

They only have 24 as opposed to 86 (not counting the 732 combi and 734 combi) 737s. Maybe they allot the MD-80s to other routes where they can be better utilised.
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:54 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 9):
Maybe they allot the MD-80s to other routes where they can be better utilised.

Anyone know what routes the AS MD-80s currently fly?
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 10):
Anyone know what routes the AS MD-80s currently fly?

I know PHX-PDX, PHX-SEA, SEA-ONT, SEA-LGB, LAX-SEA, SEA-ANC, ANC-FAI, SAN-PDX, SAN-SEA to name a few, Maybe some other AS people can add.
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:10 am

AirframeAS,don't forget there was an embargo on the -400 for non-rev's and jumpseating as well. I got bumped from the jumpseat out of SNA one time on a -400. The -700 sure fits the bill good in SNA perfomance wise, but doesn't get the seat capacity AS would like.


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AirframeAS
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:40 am

Quoting AS739X (Reply 12):
AirframeAS,don't forget there was an embargo on the -400 for non-rev's and jumpseating as well.

Heh, I forgot about that too! Heard some of the deadheading pilots were really complaining about the rule before. Even newbie employees were SOL when they arrived to SNA finding out they cannot fly out, they would need to go to BUR, ONT or LAX. Tough times those were, huh man??
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:44 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Heard some of the deadheading pilots were really complaining about the rule before

If they were deadheading, then they would have positive space
seats in coach.
Maybe you meant that they were just trying to jumpseat out of
their for their own personal travel ?
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Hikeswitheyes (Reply 14):
If they were deadheading, then they would have positive space
seats in coach.
Maybe you meant that they were just trying to jumpseat out of
their for their own personal travel ?

This was in 98-99...and how SNA dealt with it is something I dont know about. But I remember it was strictly enforced regardless if it was work or pleasure. I remember that the positive space passes at the time were approved by immediate supervisors, IIRC.
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RE: Why No AS MD80's At SNA

Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:04 pm

I've seen the MD-80s on PDX/SEA-OAK routes.
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