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A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:42 pm

http://www.armees.com/THAI-menace-d-...mmande-de-A380-a-Airbus,12077.html

No surprise here . The 3 first European routes to receive the A380 TG , will be LHR , FRA and CDG.

...........of course all will depend of the compensations TG will get from Airbus to know if their order will stay or not.
 
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Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:00 am

it will be great to see TG A380 birds at CDG. However, TG is at T1 and I can't imagine an A380 at T1 which is not designed for this A/C (and in fact not designed for any A/C !) Big grin  Wink  devil 
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:33 am

Thai is making a lot of noise claiming that it may cancel its A380 order, but goes on to annouce which route that they will assign to the A380? I know that I am confused! It seems that Thai wants the A380s and Airbus will certainly take that into account during its discussions with Thai. Its an odd time for Thai to make this type of announcement.

In any case, I expected London (volume) and Frankfurt (Star hub), but Paris is a bit of a surprise.....is there adequate demand on CDG-BKK to support the A380 without wrecking yeilds? I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:56 pm

Dutchjet

It's not a surprise , TG has in sight to come to CDG with the A380.
They have a daily 744 there , always fully booked.
The A380 will help carriyng more people.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:20 pm

Maybe they upgrade MUC to an 744
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:23 pm

Apart from the uncertainty over the future of this order, I don't believe that TG would ever deploy its A380 fleet simultaneously to LHR, FRA, and CDG, as such a move would require the entire 6-strong A380 fleet to be dedicated to these sectors, with only time to operate some regional sectors in between and relatively low utilization rates as a result.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:47 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5):
Apart from the uncertainty over the future of this order, I don't believe that TG would ever deploy its A380 fleet simultaneously to LHR, FRA, and CDG,

Well FRA and LHR sure , maybe CDG not daily .
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:47 am

All A380's operating to CDG will be at Terminal 2G (S3), actually on construction and should be ready by a year. It think it's not possible for T1 to accodomate the A380.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:31 am

Maybe Airbus will give them some discounts for ordering A350's, or more A345/346 or A350.

It would be nice to see some more A346's.

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 1):
I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.

Would be nice, but no airports in Scandinavia can handle the A380. Well maybe they could, but it would cost them a lot of money eg. runways not made for that big bird wings.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Thai is making a lot of noise claiming that it may cancel its A380 order, but goes on to annouce which route that they will assign to the A380? I know that I am confused! It seems that Thai wants the A380s and Airbus will certainly take that into account during its discussions with Thai. Its an odd time for Thai to make this type of announcement.

I know I found this to be odd too so I translate the article, and the article is actually about THAI cancelling its 380 order, it just goes on to say that THAI cannot will not be using it on FRA, LHR, and CDG 22 months early
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:03 pm

Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 10):
I know I found this to be odd too so I translate the article, and the article is actually about THAI cancelling its 380 order, it just goes on to say that THAI cannot will not be using it on FRA, LHR, and CDG 22 months early

That's correct. Here's an attempt at translation of the key points by altavista:

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The airline company national inhabitant of Thailand Thai Airways (THAI) could cancel her order of the new A380 planes to the European manufacturer Airbus if the negotiations d’un delay of 22 month of the first delivery remain unsolved, indicated to Wednesday the president of THAI Apinan Sumanaseni...

"THAI will re-examine its financial scheme after an estimate of the losses since the company cannot use as envisaged these new planes of Bangkok towards London, Frankfurt and Paris", M noted. Apinan.

Thai's concern is the loss of potential revenue due to the delay of receipt of the aircraft to 2011. They had planned to use the A380 to LHR, FRA, and CDG.

Nothing really new here other than additional positioning by TG.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 10):


[quote=AirlineAddict,reply=11]
Thai's concern is the loss of potential revenue due to the delay of receipt of the aircraft to 2011. They had planned to use the A380 to LHR, FRA, and CDG.

Nothing really new here other than additional positioning by TG.

Thank you, this all now makes much more sense.....
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:01 pm

Quoting Stevens91 (Reply 7):
actually on construction

Typical english mistake for a Frenchy : you meant "currently on construction".

currently = "actuellement"
actually = "en réalité"

No big deal here, but it can get you in big troubles in business, believe me, I experienced it.  Wink

On topic : I know S3 (future terminal 2G?) will be able to accomodate 6 A380s at a time. But do you know how many A380s were 2E and 2F designed for ?
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Sun Dec 10, 2006 8:06 pm

Quoting FCKC (Thread starter):
The 3 first European routes to receive the A380 TG , will be LHR , FRA and CDG.

I thought T1 was the official Star Alliance terminal at CDG, but obviously the archaic (but humorously retro-futuristic) design of the satellites at CDG would make it virtually impossible to load and unload an A380. So would TG move to 2G and be the only Star carrier there ?
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:58 am

T1 isn't dedicated to Star Alliance, but the check-in areas are grouped together for Star. When the second part will be reopened in Feb 2007, we will see more Star Alliances members moving in such as Air Canada, Swiss, Austrian and may be Air India too if they become a member.
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:58 am

Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:43 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

Second problem is finding the pax to fill the plane with high enough yields. No way it's gonna happen soon.

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
I was thinking that TG would do something unusual....like use the A380s on routes from BKK to Scandanavian capital cities; as you may know there is a lot of traffic on those routes which marginal yeilds, the A380 could be a way to turn those routes into money makers.



Quoting Copenhagenboy (Reply 9):

Would be nice, but no airports in Scandinavia can handle the A380. Well maybe they could, but it would cost them a lot of money eg. runways not made for that big bird wings.



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Of course Nordic airports could handle A388, CPH - ARN - OSL - HEL.

The only problemo is the taxiways, due to it´s wide wingspan it could be tricky.

Micke//



Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):

Second problem is finding the pax to fill the plane with high enough yields. No way it's gonna happen soon.

KL911

The ability to move a lot of passengers over lower-yeilding routes is one of the proposed benefits of the A380......
 
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:15 pm

Thai A380 ARN - BKK wintertime would be a very high yield route, belive me.

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:52 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
It's not a surprise , TG has in sight to come to CDG with the A380.
They have a daily 744 there , always fully booked.
The A380 will help carriyng more people.

Didn't they have a double daily some days of the week some years ago ?
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Thai A380 ARN - BKK wintertime would be a very high yield route, belive me.

Full of tourists = low yield  Wink
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:08 pm

Hi all

Slightly off topic.

With the A380 being delivered at some point in the future, what is the prospect of Manchester (MAN/EGCC) gaining a service from Bangkok in the future?
There has been rumours around for a while that Manchester was a possible destination for Thai. With the A380 freeing up aircraft, What are our chances??

Many thanks

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting A340600MAN (Reply 22):
Hi all

Slightly off topic.

With the A380 being delivered at some point in the future, what is the prospect of Manchester (MAN/EGCC) gaining a service from Bangkok in the future?
There has been rumours around for a while that Manchester was a possible destination for Thai. With the A380 freeing up aircraft, What are our chances??

Many thanks

Len

Would dilute yields ex-LHR. Could happen if they cant get more LHR slots, but I suspect if it does happen you would likely see the 772ER - not the A340s.
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Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:19 am

We need charter *cattle* class config. A388 soon on BKK. There´s no seats left for the X-mas & New Year season to Thailand, even the 20+ flights w/744 charters are full from ARN..

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 24):
We need charter *cattle* class config. A388 soon on BKK. There´s no seats left for the X-mas & New Year season to Thailand, even the 20+ flights w/744 charters are full from ARN..

Micke//

Hehehehehe I got my trip booked already  Wink

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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 17):
Second problem is finding the pax to fill the plane with high enough yields. No way it's gonna happen soon.

It's already happening. The increase in tourism from Sweden to Thailand is so big that the airlines manage to fill up whatever they put on the route.

Only two years ago, TG had four weekly 744s ARN-BKK, and now they have seven weekly flights. Last year, TUI had a 763 with slightly over 300 seats, and this year they're flying a Corsair 744 with 582 seats, and it's full on every single flight! This winter, even the Swedish city of Vaxjo (with 62,000 people) had a direct charter flight to Thailand on a DK 333 with 408 seats!

And concerning the yields, don't forget that the A380 has much better operating economics and lower CASM than a 744. TG could lower the fares on the A380 and still make money.
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RE: A380 Thai : First 3 European Routes

Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:37 am

@ CHRISBA777ER

Goin´to Austria over X-mas/New Year skiing. MD-90 to INN all the way  Wink

Do you fly LHR - BKK or MAN - BKK with EK (stop-over DXB?)

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Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:51 am

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