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US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:59 am

It appears that US/HP pilots seem to want job protection and truth on promises already made as compared to a third merger.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061208/dcf040.html?.v=57


"Following a meeting with US Airways management on December 6, the leadership of the US Airways and America West pilot groups have expressed significant concerns about the proposed merger with Delta Air Lines. The leaders point out that, by failing to integrate two pilot groups under one contract, US Airways (NYSE: LCC - News) management has not yet properly merged US Airways and America West, demonstrating little chance of completing the merger of a third airline.

Equally important, the pilot groups, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), International, have determined that US Airways' Delta proposal raises serious issues about the job protections contained in the US Airways and America West contracts, and are questioning the company's ability to move forward with this transaction.

"Management cannot successfully merge without labor on board. We have made it clear that our pilots have zero interest in ratifying a contract that provides them with only minimal gains. US Airways, despite its statements to its investors and the financial community, has not completed the business of integrating US Airways and America West. This failure calls into question their ability to successfully merge three airlines, continue to serve their passengers, deliver dividends to their investors, and maintain a motivated employee base," said Captain John McIlvenna, America West Master Executive Council (MEC) Chairman."



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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:12 am

this just further validates that even if all other concerns were dealt with, labor would sink this deal.

you cannot convince anyone except Wall Street that removing capacity is their best interests. everyone will pay a price for reduced capacity, including employees.
 
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:58 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
this just further validates that even if all other concerns were dealt with, labor would sink this deal.

Hey, we agree with this!

I was going to say that it looks as though the US pilots are very skeptical of this merger, while the DL pilots... well... that is just a given. In the thread, "US may drop DL merger deal," it is basically argued that if US cannot convince DL to merge, then the merger will not happen. Well, what if your own employees are squeemish? Man, this merger deal is looking more and more likely that it will die before the first of the year, or somewhere close to that date!

How about I go find a lightning storm some place and see if I get struck by lightning, just to see if chances of such an occurrance REALLY ARE more likely than this merger happening... If I don't come back, well you'll know why  Smile
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:02 am

I really think US/HP should get there house in order before they look to buy another one.
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:21 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
I really think US/HP should get there house in order before they look to buy another one.

I can think of a way of putting this, regarding US/HP and DL...

US still has a lot on its plate regarding the HP merger. Are they trying to see what it is like to have airline-industry indigestion? I don't think all the maalox in the world would help them with this!

As I said above, regarding the opinions of them employees for US(pilots) and DL (pretty much the entire airline), and with the argument from a prior thread, this merger is dead... What do you think?
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:21 am

Labor can, and does, claim dissatisfaction at all times. I do not see what a merger scenario adds or subtracts from that general posture of dissatisfaction. It is permanent, and indeed is "business as usual." Why else would unions exist? We already knew US is unionized, and by definition its workers are therefore unsatisfied, and make threats.
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:27 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
We already knew US is unionized, and by definition its workers are therefore unsatisfied, and make threats.

Wouldn't you be irritated too if you were working for almost 1/2 the money, and several hundred of your brothers and sisters are still on the street? US can bairley tell their head from their ass right now, let alone with another, much larger group to add. Parker is a fool for trying to undertake any of this, and if I were working for him, I'd be pretty irrate too.

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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
I really think US/HP should get there house in order before they look to buy another one.

Agreed. If they haven't yet fully integrated the US/HP crews, then why throw a monkey wrench into it with this proposed deal. All it'll do, in the end, is cause friction and some hard feelings all around.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
Labor can, and does, claim dissatisfaction at all times.

That may be true, but in the shoes of the HP and US pilots-especially the HP ones, I'd be damned concerned, too, since the DL entity would practically swallow up the other two.

For once, I agree with the pilots on this one-they have a reason to be concerned, I think.
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:38 am

My take on this merger is that US/HP saw that DL was going to come out of ch11 just fine, and the only way they could survive was to take over DL and remove the competition.

With DL fighting back even their own pilots see the folly of this thinking.

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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:48 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 3):
I really think US/HP should get there house in order before they look to buy another one

 checkmark  checkmark  checkmark  This is what I've been trying say all along...Its not in ANYBODY's best interest to merge with anybody right now. Why start another merger when you have not completed the first one?? Makes no sense!
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
I do not see what a merger scenario adds or subtracts from that general posture of dissatisfaction.

Really or is that a joke? Whenever a merger happens, employees almost always are going to be concerned about their jobs. Mergers decrease job security. Lower Job security is going to make your employees more dissatisfied. From the executives, to the pilots, to the gate agents this is the atmosphere during a merger. This could be why the piolts want some sort of protection from layoffs. I dont think anyone truly believes that this merger can be done with as few layoffs as the US staff is claiming.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
Why else would unions exist?

Unions exist to protect the worker. They provide protection from hostile working conditions. They make sure that the employees get paid their due as well. The downside is that sometimes they demand too much.
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
Why else would unions exist?

Unions exist to protect the worker.

Supa7e7, in his 'informed opinion', would love nothing more than to see the demise of unions, specifically ALPA, and see all of the loyal airline employees be treated like AirTran scabs.

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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:21 pm

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 5):
Labor can, and does, claim dissatisfaction at all times. I do not see what a merger scenario adds or subtracts from that general posture of dissatisfaction. It is permanent, and indeed is "business as usual." Why else would unions exist? We already knew US is unionized, and by definition its workers are therefore unsatisfied, and make threats.

Most of those US employees forget the fact they were weeks (days?) away from being out of a job entirely when they "merged" with HP. They seem to feel it's far better to complain about what was lost in the process than what was saved.
 
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RE: US Airways Pilots 'Gravely Concerned' About Merger

Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:31 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
I dont think anyone truly believes that this merger can be done with as few layoffs as the US staff is claiming.

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  BINGO!
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
This is what I've been trying say all along...Its not in ANYBODY's best interest to merge with anybody right now. Why start another merger when you have not completed the first one?? Makes no sense!

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  !!!!!
This is the biggest no brainer. I mean come on, there have been fist fight breaking out at meetings between US and HP employees over what union locale to represent them.
ANYONE at DL right now should be concerned since all Parker will do is kick them to the curb! He doesn't give a rats-a$$ about time or tenure!
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