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What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:31 pm

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Haven't found it on archives however. Could anyone tell me where the X in LAX comes from ?
thanks in advance

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:38 pm

The "X" has to mean something? Probably just an extra letter added to meet the 3 letter code standard.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:14 pm

At LA Airport there is a odd looking building housing a restuarant and when you look from above it is an 'X'. So when you fly over LA looking for the airport you look for the X!
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:21 pm

I think the X stands just to fill the gap for a three letter code as LA alone wouldn't qualify.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

The same thing the "F" in MAF does and the "J" in SJT........nothing. It's just an abbreviation and LAS was already taken.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:24 pm

No, it is this building that stands for the X.


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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 5):
No, it is this building that stands for the X.

I can hardly believe that, as I'd think LAX was already LAX before that building was built, however i'd be happy to be proven wrong  Smile
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:30 pm

From Wikipedia:

"Before the 1930s, existing airports used a two-letter abbreviation based on the weather station at the airports. So, at that time, LA served as the designation for Los Angeles International Airport. But, with the rapid growth in the aviation industry, the designations expanded to three letters, and LA became LAX. The letter X does not otherwise have any specific meaning in this identifier."
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:21 pm

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 3):
I think the X stands just to fill the gap for a three letter code as LA alone wouldn't qualify.

Exactly right! The X has no meaning other than to complete the 3-letter code.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:50 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
Before the 1930s, existing airports used a two-letter abbreviation based on the weather station at the airports. So, at that time, LA served as the designation for Los Angeles International Airport. But, with the rapid growth in the aviation industry, the designations expanded to three letters, and LA became LAX. The letter X does not otherwise have any specific meaning in this identifier."

In the1930's and 40's LAX was known as "Mines Field". But I do agree the "X" has no meaning and is only used to create a three letter IATA code.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):

Thanks for beating me to it! Another example of a city that is this way is PDX. PHX is questionable - anyone know whether this one falls under this rule or just has the X because it's in PheoniX?
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:58 pm

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 10):
anyone know whether this one falls under this rule or just has the X because it's in PheoniX?

It's the latter.

Another example is XNA. Northwest Arkansas.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 10):
PHX is questionable - anyone know whether this one falls under this rule or just has the X because it's in PheoniX?



Quoting TWFirst (Reply 11):
It's the latter.

I actually found this on another site. I thought the latter, too, till I read this. (Third paragraph in)

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:17 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
The same thing the "F" in MAF does and the "J" in SJT........nothing.

MAF was probably shoterened to the required 3 letter code from MAAF or Midland Army Air Field, the name of the field in the early 40's.

Like EWR is from nEWaRk or EYW is for kEY West, SJT could be as a result of San angelo, Jack maThis field.

The field was named after Lt. Jack Mathis.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Like EWR is from nEWaRk or EYW is for kEY West

EYW is actually because the IACO name is KEYW or Key W. Its cute for pilots flying there but thats about it.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 14):
EYW is actually because the IACO name is KEYW

Well AFAIK pretty much all continental US ICAO (not IACO...) codes are K+IATA code.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:47 am

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 15):
Well AFAIK pretty much all continental US ICAO (not IACO...) codes are K+IATA code.

Almost.  Smile

Alaska is a part of the North America continent and also an U.S. state, but its ICAO prefix is 'P'. For instance, PANC for Anchorage.

I think you meant to say 'the continuous Lower 48 U.S. states' rather than 'continental U.S.'

I quickly learned the difference after visiting Alaska on various vacation trips, since the Alaskans didn't really like it if I made that particular goof.  Wink
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:54 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 16):
I think you meant to say 'the continuous Lower 48 U.S. states' rather than 'continental U.S.'

Yeah that's it. Big grin

I always thought P stood for "pacific" or whatever.

OGG seems to also have a different one, PHOG.

The ICAO codes often make some sense in Europe like EFHK (HEL - Europe Finland HelsinKi) or so.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
The "X" has to mean something? Probably just an extra letter added to meet the 3 letter code standard.

Correct.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 2):

Ha Ha Ha   

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
From Wikipedia:

"Before the 1930s, existing airports used a two-letter abbreviation based on the weather station at the airports. So, at that time, LA served as the designation for Los Angeles International Airport. But, with the rapid growth in the aviation industry, the designations expanded to three letters, and LA became LAX. The letter X does not otherwise have any specific meaning in this identifier."

Here is the correct answer. The "X" was added after air transportation started to catch on the existing airports such as Los Angeles ( LAX ), Chicago Meigs    ( CGX ), Portland ( PDX ). Brought those places, and others, into compliance with the three letter airport codes. Just simpler to add an "X" and press on.

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 10):
X because it's in PheoniX?

  




This has been posted and discussed a half dozen times in the past year . . . perhaps the search engine could have helped your RootsAir???

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=3096275&s=Airport+Codes#ID3096275

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=2949114&s=Airport+Codes#ID2949114

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=2944147&s=Airport+Codes#ID2944147

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=2546792&s=Airport+Codes#ID2546792

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=2502786&s=Airport+Codes#ID2502786

http://www1.airliners.net/discussion...=2466675&s=Airport+Codes#ID2466675

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:09 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):

Thanks for the wonderful link, an excellent article.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:19 am

In the ICAO system, P is used for the first letter of US airports which are on or in the Pacific Ocean. The second letter is a modifier, PA is the first 2 letters for Alaskan airports, PH is the first 2 letters for Hawaiian airports. There are other combinations used for US territories or US affiliated airports in Micronesia and Marshall islands: PG, PK, and PT.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting DxBrian (Reply 20):
n the ICAO system, P is used for the first letter of US airports which are on or in the Pacific Ocean. The second letter is a modifier, PA is the first 2 letters for Alaskan airports, PH is the first 2 letters for Hawaiian airports. There are other combinations used for US territories or US affiliated airports in Micronesia and Marshall islands: PG, PK, and PT.

Thanks for that DxBrian, PANC and PHNL didn't exactly make it clear for me. I thought K for lower 48 and P for the rest.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:44 am

I prefer to believe that the "X" in "LAX" stands for "crowded", or is it "dirty"? Could also be "poor design", "inconvenient", or "delay"!

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:03 am

Quoting 777fan (Reply 22):
I prefer to believe that the "X" in "LAX" stands for "crowded", or is it "dirty"? Could also be "poor design", "inconvenient", or "delay"!

I don't think LAX is any of those. Maybe poor design, but they are working on that.

T1 might be a bit crowded too I guess, but I all in all, I like LAX.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:08 am

The article says that the commonality of codes between three-and four-letter codes is unique to the US, bot Canada does the same, adding a C at the beginning of airport codes to make CYUL, CYYC, etc
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 16):
think you meant to say 'the continuous Lower 48 U.S. states' rather than 'continental U.S

Actually, the word is 'contiguous'.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:13 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 25):
Actually, the word is 'contiguous'.

Whoops, yes, you are correct, of course. Mea culpa.  blush 

Thanks for the correction.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:43 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 16):
I think you meant to say 'the continuous Lower 48 U.S. states' rather than 'continental U.S.'

Continental US refers to just the lower 48 in general idiom.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 25):



Quoting Vref5 (Reply 26):



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 27):

Continental US and Contiguous US Mean the exact same thing.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:25 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Like EWR is from nEWaRk or EYW is for kEY West,


Is it true that no airport in the US beginning with N (Newark, Norfolk, New Haven, etc.) has an ICAO or FAA designator beginning with N?

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 27):
Continental US refers to just the lower 48 in general idiom.

Incorrectly, if that's the case, and nobody I know makes that mistake. Certainly not in government circles, or in the travel industry, apparently.
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"Continental" has to include Alaska. Look at the weather reports, for instance, they refer to the "CONUS" when they speak of satellite images or synoptic weather for North America. USAF (or USAA) use of the term predates the existence of Alaska and Hawaii as states.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 28):
Continental US and Contiguous US Mean the exact same thing.

Actually, no, it doesn't.

Contiguous means an unbroken sequence.

Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, definition number 4:

http://m-w.com/dictionary/contiguous

"4 : touching or connected throughout in an unbroken sequence "

Lower 48 states fits this perfectly. Every single one of the 48 states has a border that touches another state.

Continental means 'anywhere on the same continent' -- not necessarily in an unbroken sequence. Alaska is on the North America continent but does NOT have any border with any of the 48 contiguous states.

Only way this could mean the exact same thing, technically speaking, is if Alaska somehow bordered another U.S. state instead of Canada.

So, bottom line, technically speaking...

Continental U.S.: 49 states
Contiguous U.S.: 48 states

This is also a fun 'bar bet' since it trips up most people.  Smile Usually good for a free drink.

Informally speaking, most of the country understands continental to mean a reference to the Lower 48 states. Something that doesn't bother most of the country but can really annoy the Alaskans at times!
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 14):

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
"F" in MAF

Doesnt F mean field?
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 1):
The "X" has to mean something? Probably just an extra letter added to meet the 3 letter code standard.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Rampart (Reply 29):

Is it true that no airport in the US beginning with N (Newark, Norfolk, New Haven, etc.) has an ICAO or FAA designator beginning with N?

The Navy has those reserved, along with "K"...

Only exception that comes readily to mind is NEW, New Orleans Lakefront, which may have been a Navy facility at one point in its life. (I ain't that old so as to remember myself...)  Wink
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:47 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 30):
Informally speaking, most of the country understands continental to mean a reference to the Lower 48 states. Something that doesn't bother most of the country but can really annoy the Alaskans at times!

And if you are ever in Hawaii mention to the people that live there that you can't wait to get back to the United States. I find that can really annoy Hawaiians, except maybe the Hawaiian Independence guys.
 
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 30):

According to you, you said continental means anywhere on the same continent. That would include both Alaska and Hawai'i. So you are wrong.

The continental US in definitions mean the lower 48 states:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 36):
The continental US in definitions mean the lower 48 states:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...title

Do you want to be correct, or do you want to get by with an inaccurate but mystifyingly popular generalization? I think we have a responsibility to promote the correct usage. How can 48 states be "continental" when it excludes Alaska? Think about it!

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Rampart (Reply 37):
How can 48 states be "continental" when it excludes Alaska?

Well, you think that continental means 48+ Alaska. Isn't Hawaii in North America? So I guess you think that continental means all 50 states. Think About It. Continental is the exact same thing as Contiguous.

My opinion stands.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:17 pm

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 2):
At LA Airport there is a odd looking building housing a restuarant and when you look from above it is an 'X'. So when you fly over LA looking for the airport you look for the X!

The Theme Building has nothing to do with the code.

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
It's just an abbreviation and LAS was already taken.

Incorrect. The city is Los Angeles, not Las Angeles.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 5):
No, it is this building that stands for the X.

No it isn't

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
From Wikipedia:

Don't use that as a source.

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 10):
PHX is questionable - anyone know whether this one falls under this rule or just has the X because it's in PheoniX?

It stands for Phoenix and is not a place holder.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 13):
Like EWR is from nEWaRk or EYW is for kEY West

The reason Newark is EWR is because N is reserved for military bases (one exception is NEW, which had that code before the military rule). Same with ORF.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 23):
I don't think LAX is any of those. Maybe poor design, but they are working on that.

LAX has anything but a poor design. The airport is built perfectly for its main mission, O&D.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
LAX has anything but a poor design

The reason I said that is because you can not always get from one terminal to another w/o leaving security, but like I said, they are working on that. I am not the one who said it first, I was defending the insults that LAX was getting. I like LAX.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 40):
The reason I said that is because you can not always get from one terminal to another w/o leaving security

Again, LAX isn't designed for connections because the vast majority of traffic is O&D.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 41):
Again, LAX isn't designed for connections because the vast majority of traffic is O&D.

It does not matter what it was designed for, because a vast[er] amount of traffic is connecting, and because of that, it can sometimes be trouble to change airlines.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:39 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 42):
because a vast[er] amount of traffic is connecting

Vaster? No, it isn't. More than 2/3rd of the traffic at LAX is O&D.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:57 pm

In the airline business, "x" is used in a couple of abbreviation.

Mx is mechanical. Wx is weather.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 43):
Vaster? No, it isn't. More than 2/3rd of the traffic at LAX is O&D.

These are official stats:

Five years ago, 25% were connecting at LAX. Today, over 40% are connecting and that figure will be meet 50% in 2007.

I will get the URL shortly.
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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 2):
At LA Airport there is a odd looking building housing a restuarant and when you look from above it is an 'X'. So when you fly over LA looking for the airport you look for the X!



Quoting Lijnden (Reply 5):
No, it is this building that stands for the X.

D'oh! Beat me to it, haha!

I believe this building was built back in the 60s if I am not mistaken. I think like 1964? Or maybe the late 1950s?

I think it was just there to give it the three-letter code as well... actually it looks like this was already proven and I am like 20-some posts too late...

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 38):
Well, you think that continental means 48+ Alaska. Isn't Hawaii in North America? So I guess you think that continental means all 50 states. Think About It. Continental is the exact same thing as Contiguous.

My opinion stands.

Good thing it's an opinion. By no measure of geography -- political, physical, geological, or popular -- is Hawai'i part of North America. Part of the US, yes. But the western islands of Hawaii are as close to Japan as the Big Island is to San Francisco. It's the middle of the Pacific Ocean! Likewise, Tahiti does not belong to New Zealand (by proximity) or France (by your argument), nor does South Georgia to Antarctica or England.

Continental means 49 states. Contiguous means 48 states together. Not so difficult.

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:31 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 39):
Incorrect. The city is Los Angeles, not Las Angeles.

I could be wrong here, but I think the pattern he was going for Los AngeleS which would have run in the same pattern as say San FranciscO, or SFO, but as we know, LAS belongs to Las Vegas.

Surprised no one has mentioned JAX yet, as the city is techincally spelt "Jacksonville", not "Jaxsonville". JAX seems to be the common abbreviation though, and is even the abbreviation used by the NFL to put on the scoreboard for the Jacksonville Jaguars (who I am pleased to say beat the Colts today.  biggrin  Wink

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RE: What Does The X In LAX Stand For?

Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 48):
I could be wrong here, but I think the pattern he was going for Los AngeleS which would have run in the same pattern as say San FranciscO, or SFO, but as we know, LAS belongs to Las Vegas.

The problem is that Los Angeles doesn't identify well with LAS, while it is obvious with Las Vegas. If anything, LOS, the code for Lagos, would make more sense.
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