sqpax
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YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:47 am

I am confused! I want to bring my friend in Thailand to Canada next Summer. Looking ahead on AC's website, the BKK-YYZ-BKK fare being quoted is $2,487.00 CAD. This is leaving BKK late May/07 and returning in mid August.

The same fare for the same dates, YYZ-BKK-YYZ is $1,858.00 CAD. Both fares I have listed are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.

I checked TG's website just for fun and the TG nonstop BKK-JFK-BKK is about $1,750.00 CAD. The same dates JFK-BKK-JFK the fare is about $1,400.00 CAD.

Why the discrepancy on effectively the same route except it is being travelled in reverse? In my simple mind, I would think the BKK-North America-BKK routing would be more geared to the Thai economy and if not less, certainly not be substantially more than the opposite agenda.

Any input would be appreciated. Obviously there's not too much one can do, but I am curious as to the basis for this difference!

Thanks in advance! -Malcolm
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jimyvr
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:00 am

Airlines in general have the rights to decide what to sell in certain market and what not to sell.

In this case, it may be likely that class of service is different, which you'll ended up comparing apples and oranges. Again, the reason being, airlines decide what class to sell in individual markets.
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:07 am

Usually it IS cheaper ex-bkk.. however, I've noticed recently that the ex-bkk fares have risen dramatically. Early this year you could do BKK-LAX-BKK on NH in business class for about $1800.. now it's double. You can still find some good deals, especially from travel agents. I know you can get BKK-LAX-BKK on Asiana for about $1600.
 
Werkur767
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:15 am

Same thing on the route from GRU-MIA instead of MIA-GRU more cheaper, but in case of Brazil the fares are with low variations between American Airlines and United Airlines.

In case of Canada, only Air Canada make directly flights, and the flights between YYZ-GRU is cheaper than the GRU-YZZ.

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sebring
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting SQPAX (Thread starter):
I am confused! I want to bring my friend in Thailand to Canada next Summer. Looking ahead on AC's website, the BKK-YYZ-BKK fare being quoted is $2,487.00 CAD. This is leaving BKK late May/07 and returning in mid August.

The same fare for the same dates, YYZ-BKK-YYZ is $1,858.00 CAD. Both fares I have listed are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.

Since Air Canada doesn't fly to BKK, and Thai doesn't fly to Toronto, there has to be an interline connection. So first, tell us if you are using the same combination of routes and carriers in both directions. Airline fares will also reflect local price sensitivity/purchasing power, and they might reflect directional imbalances. For example, if AC's routing is over HKG, the HKG-YYZ flight might be very high demand at that time of year, and you might find a cheaper routing via YVR or LHR.
 
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:29 am

SQ, fares are somewhat confusing and make not much sense at first however, try to use a air fair web site first before you go directly to the airlines also if your friend in BKK can search some local web sites to see where you can get from his side.........

All web sites should give you the routing do, a screen print and compare....

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ohsopc
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 1:13 pm

Well in Thailand people don't really buy air tickets from online, and air canada espeacially does not have booking tool for thailand.

In any case, the published fare from one of Thailand's biggest ta, tv.airbooking (www.tv-air.co.th) is THB 45,400 (CAD 1,465) on AC and THB 38,000 (CAD 1,228) on CX

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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 2):
Usually it IS cheaper ex-bkk.. however, I've noticed recently that the ex-bkk fares have risen dramatically. Early this year you could do BKK-LAX-BKK on NH in business class for about $1800.. now it's double. You can still find some good deals, especially from travel agents. I know you can get BKK-LAX-BKK on Asiana for about $1600.

I'm not seeing the OZ fare anymore either.

Fares ex-BKK are ridiculously high these days, and add the fact the USD is down to about 35 baht and there you go.
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sqpax
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:46 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 4):
Since Air Canada doesn't fly to BKK, and Thai doesn't fly to Toronto, there has to be an interline connection. So first, tell us if you are using the same combination of routes and carriers in both directions.

Sebring:

It's the exact same routing both ways; AC YYZ-HKG and TG HKG-BKK and vice versa the latter being an AC codeshare with TG.

Quoting Ohsopc (Reply 6):
In any case, the published fare from one of Thailand's biggest ta, tv.airbooking (www.tv-air.co.th) is THB 45,400 (CAD 1,465) on AC and THB 38,000 (CAD 1,228) on CX

Ohsopc:

Thanks, I'll check that out!
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:17 am

On international routes, fares are almost always different depending on the point of origin, sometimes double if not more. Depends on market factors, competition at each end of the route, currency relationships, among other things.

I returned last week from a business trip to BKK and the Thai Baht is currently at a record high against the dollar which is probably one factor affecting fares from BKK, although Thailand in general is still a reasonably priced destination, and many things are very cheap, e.g. few taxi rides in BKK are more than the equivalent of USD2 or 3, and my taxi fare for the fairly lengthy 45 minute trip to the new BKK airport was only a little more than 200 Baht, about USD6.

If you're looking for the lowest fare from BKK you're probably best to find a travel agent that specializes in that area and probably has various unpublished special deals with various airlines, especially those that operate the entire route online. Their fares will usually be lower than interline connections, even when the interline connection involves an alliance partner codeshare such as AC/TG via Europe. And check fares via the Pacific on carriers like JL/KE/SQ/CX/MH/TG/NW, and several others that operate online between North America and BKK.
 
sqpax
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RE: YYZ-BKK-YYZ Vs. BKK-YYZ-BKK Fares...

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:10 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
If you're looking for the lowest fare from BKK you're probably best to find a travel agent that specializes in that area and probably has various unpublished special deals with various airlines, especially those that operate the entire route online. Their fares will usually be lower than interline connections, even when the interline connection involves an alliance partner codeshare such as AC/TG via Europe. And check fares via the Pacific on carriers like JL/KE/SQ/CX/MH/TG/NW, and several others that operate online between North America and BKK.

Viscount:

I'm planning to be back in BKK in March and will do just that, attend a local travel agent and see what sort of deal I can scare up for my friend. Transiting through the US is out of the question due to Visa requirements. As it is, it will be difficult enough getting her a visitor visa for the trip to Canada. Don't need to double our aggravation with getting one for the US as well for the mere purpose of an aircraft change!
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