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Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:03 pm

http://bangkokpost.com/News/12Dec2006_news03.php

If this happens, it might help smooth things out at Suvarnabhumi, eh?

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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:54 pm

Definitely a good idea. LCCs at Don Muang should ease things somewhat, plus put to good use an already proven facility. Maybe Don Muang could develop into SE Asia's LCC hub, especially if they allow connecting flights and not just limit it to terminators.
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:12 pm

I read that article while in Bangkok this morning. Interesting proposal. It might cause confusion - which airport am I flying from? - but after a while it should be OK. I wonder what the operational fees would be from there as opposed to what the new airport offers.

Although I haven't been in the old BKK airport before, I did go past it yesterday on the train (Lopburi-Bangkok). It looked massive. I saw an Orient Thai 747, and some airbridges. How often is it used for charter flights?
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:48 am

I think that both Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi could co-exist perfectly well if there was a good transportation link between the airports for connecting passengers.

Some incomming international travellers might wish to be able to transfer to LCC's and vice-versa.
 
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:10 am

Did it ever close ?

I was of the understanding that the designator only changed to DMK, the ICAO designator VTBD is still in our database.

From memory it was always going to remain open, it is still an active military base.
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 9:38 am

Bad idea!

It makes it confusing for passengers and you lose the synergies from connections that you have from having only one airport.

You don't see Singapore opening up their old airport for low cost carriers.

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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:02 am

Quoting The777man (Reply 5):
You don't see Singapore opening up their old airport for low cost carriers.

I think a Malaysian carriers are using F27/50s and DHC7 fly into Selitar, and Paya Lebar (corporate as well). Both see their fair share of airliners being maintained there.

Paya Lebar was being considered instead of the budget terminal at Changi. The budget terminal that has a finite capacity (remember seeing 10 bays on the airport chart). Subang (the old KL) looks like it will go LCC.
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:15 pm

Quoting The777man (Reply 5):
You don't see Singapore opening up their old airport for low cost carriers.

Um... maybe Singapore have land limitations??
 
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:31 pm

Quoting The777man (Reply 5):
Bad idea!

It makes it confusing for passengers and you lose the synergies from connections that you have from having only one airport.

You don't see Singapore opening up their old airport for low cost carriers.

Singapore has no choice, they're running out of land, unless countries like Indonesia and Malaysia keep selling them sand to reclaim more lands (they've refused to provide them sand already), it's not going to happen. IMO Johor Bahru is the perfect alternative for LCC passengers, current LCCT will not be so low cost later when the demands far exceed slots/space available.

Nonetheless Singapore already has reclaimed lands next to Changi for future terminals 4 and 5 (unlike Kansai, they want the land to stabilize first), but those are best used for SQ's future expansion (high yields, premium traffic) as SQ and airport transit passengers account for 15% of the national GNP.

Getting Don Muang reopened is excellent idea as new airport is already running near capacity and the expansion plans won't keep up with the pace of growth, somehow I feel TG can get more than 6 A380s, maybe close to 20 .
 
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:43 pm

I need to clarify a few things here...

Quoting Zeke (Reply 6):
I think a Malaysian carriers are using F27/50s and DHC7 fly into Selitar, and Paya Lebar (corporate as well). Both see their fair share of airliners being maintained there.

Seletar (XSP) is a secondary airport for Singapore. It has a shorter runway which extends all the way to the edge of the shoreline. I used to fly out from there in a Cessna 152 during my training stint with SQ. It is a beautiful area. Extending the runway further into the Straits of Johor could be the solution for the airport to accomodate larger jets like A320 and 737 because presently, a fully loaded jet of the 2 that I mentioned cannot take off using that length.

Paya Lebar (PLAB) is an air force base used only by the military. An occasional military charter (ATI DC8) screams into that air base or I have even seen NWA DC10s at the maintenance hangar. But this airport is 100% military and cannot be use for civillian purposes.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 8):
Singapore has no choice, they're running out of land, unless countries like Indonesia and Malaysia keep selling them sand to reclaim more lands (they've refused to provide them sand already), it's not going to happen.

Malaysia refused to sell us sand to recalim our lands? This is news to me...

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 8):
Nonetheless Singapore already has reclaimed lands next to Changi for future terminals 4 and 5...

The land next to Changi Airport that you see being reclaimed is for another air force base, which is operational now as we speak. So I don't know where you got the idea that Terminals 4 & 5 are going to be situated there.
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:21 pm

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9):
Paya Lebar (PLAB) is an air force base used only by the military. An occasional military charter (ATI DC8) screams into that air base or I have even seen NWA DC10s at the maintenance hangar. But this airport is 100% military and cannot be use for civillian purposes.

I have been to the museum at the base, I recall at that time seeing civil widebodies including 747s and MD11s at ST Aero.

I also recall when I flew into SIN during the IMF, the civil corporate aircraft infront of me (GV I think) was for Paya Lebar. Paya Lebar is used by most airlines as an alternate for SIN, that means it must be a joint use airfield, unlike SIN 02R/20L.

I was of the understanding of the 9 odd runways that are in Singapore, they are all military, with Singapore Changi International (WSSS/SIN), Singapore Seletar (WSSL/XSP), and Singapore Paya Lebar (WSAP/QPG) being joint use. Jepp shows them all open to the public.
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:20 am

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9):
The land next to Changi Airport that you see being reclaimed is for another air force base, which is operational now as we speak. So I don't know where you got the idea that Terminals 4 & 5 are going to be situated there.

I read it from here

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=129&order=desc

, not sure if it's correct but I think it was old thread so my info can be off
 
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 9):
Seletar (XSP) is a secondary airport for Singapore. It has a shorter runway which extends all the way to the edge of the shoreline. I used to fly out from there in a Cessna 152 during my training stint with SQ. It is a beautiful area. Extending the runway further into the Straits of Johor could be the solution for the airport to accomodate larger jets like A320 and 737 because presently, a fully loaded jet of the 2 that I mentioned cannot take off using that length.

Paya Lebar (PLAB) is an air force base used only by the military. An occasional military charter (ATI DC8) screams into that air base or I have even seen NWA DC10s at the maintenance hangar. But this airport is 100% military and cannot be use for civillian purposes.

What about Tengah (TGA) ?
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:44 am

Operating both Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi Airports simultaneously is perhaps going to thrill the taxi driver to bits!!! Bangkok's taxi drivers are the greatest actors on Earth and on the basis of their daily performance, most could earn Oscars for their acting skills should they wish to move to Hollywood.

I recall how aviation spotters staying at the Airport Hotel Asia would find taxi drivers bringing them to Hotel Asia in town . . . and when you want to go to Hotel Asia in town, they miraculously would turn to go to the Airport Hotel Asia. When I took taxis opposite Don Muang Airport to go to the Paholyothin Road to photograph aircraft on final approach, I find taxi drivers almost always attempt to do a U-turn half way to my destination with the intention to go way past the airport and then turn left onto the other side of the airfield and head north again.

With both airports operating, I could just imagine unwary tourists hopping into a taxi and saying "To the Airport please" . . . and find themselves at the wrong airport. And if one does not pronounce the names of the airport the Thai way (remember the names of both airport don't sound anywhere like their English spellings) - you too are in for a surprise. Watch the taxi drivers star in their command performances if Don Muang Airport re-opens. They must be watching this development and wishing themselves a Happy New Year already.

Zeke: I am not sure where your source of information is, but I can assure you that Paya Lebar was never considered for LCC operation. Seletar was suggested by some in the LCC communities but runway length constraint plus feedback from the public about the remoteness of the airfield quickly put those suggestions to rest. As far as the officials planning for an LCC terminal is concerned, it has always been co-location at Changi Airport.

During the IMF, there were more biz jets than Seletar could handle and perhaps at most, a few were sent to wait out at Paya Lebar. Don't expect this to happen on a routine basis.

Paya Lebar is never useful as an alternate to Changi if the reason for diversion is weather-related. Both airfields are parallel and within visual distance of one another and will be subject to exactly the same weather that necessitates the diversion. Two SIA flights were diverted earlier this week due to high winds and stormy conditions - and they went to Batam.

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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 12):
What about Tengah (TGA) ?

Purely Military.
 
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:19 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
I have been to the museum at the base, I recall at that time seeing civil widebodies including 747s and MD11s at ST Aero.

I also recall when I flew into SIN during the IMF, the civil corporate aircraft infront of me (GV I think) was for Paya Lebar. Paya Lebar is used by most airlines as an alternate for SIN, that means it must be a joint use airfield, unlike SIN 02R/20L.

I was of the understanding of the 9 odd runways that are in Singapore, they are all military, with Singapore Changi International (WSSS/SIN), Singapore Seletar (WSSL/XSP), and Singapore Paya Lebar (WSAP/QPG) being joint use. Jepp shows them all open to the public.

The civillian widebodies you saw at ST Aero, as the location might suggest, are only there for maintenance. There are no passengers on those planes.

GV traffic are ALWAYS bound for XSP. Corporate jets and regional flights from Pelita, Berjaya et al, all land at XSP as I mentioned. Sometimes you might see an FAA Lear making approaches into PLAB and TAB but they are there to calibrate the approach equipments. Granted there are some corporate jets that fly into PLAB but they are very few and far in between... and it is probably some military commanders on board or something.

I guess all airfields are "open to public" in an emergency. The consequences of landing in a restricted airfield might differ though!
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RE: Bangkok's Don Muang To Reopen?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 13):
Bangkok's taxi drivers are the greatest actors on Earth and on the basis of their daily performance, most could earn Oscars for their acting skills should they wish to move to Hollywood.

As opposed to taxi drivers everywhere else?  wink