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Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:07 pm

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7327

Austrian Airlines seeks to revitalize unprofitable long-haul services
(ATWOnline) Tuesday December 12, 2006

EXCERPT:
Austrian Airlines Group CEO Alfred Oetsch confirmed to ATWOnline during the Star Alliance meeting last week in Istanbul that none of the carrier's long-haul routes are profitable.......

....the long-haul fleet is the right one (removal of Airbus, keeps 767 while accepting 4th 777) for the airline going forward...
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profita

Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:17 pm

AAG, (...), plans to sell four A330-200s in the near future, he added, noting that the carrier has "requests from 36 interested buyers" for the aircraft.

I had expected there would be many interested buyers, but 36 is immense.


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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:55 pm

Austrian seems to be in a very similar position as Swissair back in the days of the unbridled expansion. Adding routes and frequencies in the longhaul network is one thing, keeping them viable another. The removal of 2 A343 and 4 A332 frames and the dereliction of routes with little or no prospect of making money is but one move to restore the profitability of the longhaul network. Yield analysis for each of the remaining longhaul routes and for the VIE hub at large will be a much more complicated task whilst finding ways to improve the airline's bottom line.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
AAG, (...), plans to sell four A330-200s in the near future, he added, noting that the carrier has "requests from 36 interested buyers" for the aircraft.

I had expected there would be many interested buyers, but 36 is immense.

This confirms what was often said on a.net about the selling drive of the A330.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:38 pm

I expect (and hope) LX is among them
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Sr176 (Reply 4):
I expect (and hope) LX is among them

LX is already getting the two A343s so I would expect the airline to be contending for the A332s as well, although I'd expect the competition to be much fiercer for these relatively younger frames.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:01 pm

My impression is that OS' profitability has nosedived since integrating Lauda. Is the increasing wage costs the main culprit? I read on this forum that OS cabin crews have higher wages than Lauda cabin crews had, making the former profitable Lauda routes to Asia and Australia unprofitable.

Is Austria a "high-cost-of-living country" like the Scandinavian countries? www.boarding.no reports that SAS have 40% higher wage costs than LH. Cabin crews are supposedly the main culprits because of long seniority. Same with OS?
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
AAG, (...), plans to sell four A330-200s in the near future, he added, noting that the carrier has "requests from 36 interested buyers" for the aircraft.

I had expected there would be many interested buyers, but 36 is immense.

Good indication that what OS is doing is wrong. Replacing 332 with 767 is astonishing. It looks like their lost direction completely.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:12 pm

Wait´till LH buys them as they did with LX and then all will be all right Big grin , LH is waiting until OS is almost bankrupt and they´ll buy them they did the same with LX.

I read that OS is now at the stock exchange as valued as 1 B777 so ~ 250mill. could that be true?
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:13 pm

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Replacing 332 with 767 is astonishing.

The thing is, they are not replacing the A332s with anything, they are just doing away with this subfleet as they are dramatically shrinking their longhaul network. Only a single B772ER will join the fleet while 1 remaining A342, 2 A343s and 4 A332s are leaving.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:34 pm

It´s hard to belive that none of Austrian´s Long-Haul Routes are not profitable, but it´s shows how big the problems of OS´s Long-haul network are.
OS´s cabin crew´s and flight crew´s and their high wages are surly a problem, but the bigger problem of OS are the incredible cost of their administration in Vienna.
OS will become a regional airline with good connetions to east europea in the near future, OS will become a feeder for LH´s Long-Haul Routes from MUC and FRA.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting CrazyHorse (Reply 10):
OS´s cabin crew´s and flight crew´s and their high wages are surly a problem, but the bigger problem of OS are the incredible cost of their administration in Vienna.

In a discussion of the profitability of longhaul routes, the question of the relative cost of the airline's administration would not even be part of the picture. Route profitability is largely a function of both operating costs and revenue distribution. I would imagine that OS' operating costs may be on the high end of industry standards because of issues like relative seniority of crews, yet the bigger problem is likely the yields the airline is able to extract from different markets feeding into its longhaul network.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
In a discussion of the profitability of longhaul routes, the question of the relative cost of the airline's administration would not even be part of the picture. Route profitability is largely a function of both operating costs and revenue distribution. I would imagine that OS' operating costs may be on the high end of industry standards because of issues like relative seniority of crews, yet the bigger problem is likely the yields the airline is able to extract from different markets feeding into its longhaul network.

I agree, but the OS cabin crew is not willing to cut their pay, because of the high cost in the airline´s administration and the management is not willing to cut their pay and privileges.
So the high cost in the administration are an factor of the high costs of the cabin crew and the operation cost of OS long haul routes.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:25 pm

Well people it seems that Tap Portugal is the prime candidate to receive 3 of Austrians A332's.

This move by Tap Portugal would work well as they currently operate 3x A332´s (PW)

Does anyone know when Austrian is expected to withdraw the A332 from it's fleet?

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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:52 pm

OS isnt competitive on airfares, is part of the problem.

Austrians dont appear to be deserting their country in droves for business and pleasure to the far ends of the earth..

Germans go via LH, so this leaves competition from AZ and LX for long haul, or a connecting hub from other parts of europe... but that increases costs even more.

They need to adopt BA's policy...

budget europe, milk it long haul.

BA pretty much give away a LHR connection free when buying a long haul ticket from LHR
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:11 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
Does anyone know when Austrian is expected to withdraw the A332 from it's fleet?

The A332s seem to be all gone from the schedules for the next summer season, so this is all happening pretty fast.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:18 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 15):
The A332s seem to be all gone from the schedules for the next summer season, so this is all happening pretty fast.

It's going pretty fast, but if you read the following link excerpt, its pretty clear how they intend to do that.

"The cut of the A330 fleet will streamline the Austrian long-haul route network. In concrete terms, scheduled services to Shanghai will be terminated from 7 January 2007, flights to Phuket, Mauritius and Colombo/Male from the end of April, and those to Kathmandu in May 2007. Lauda Air will withdraw from the long-haul charter segment in 2007. The routes to the cities of Karachi in Pakistan and Chennai (Madras) in India that have been under evaluation in recent month will not now be opened up. The new US destination Chicago will be incorporated into the network from 29 May 2007."

Supervisory Board approves acceleration of long-haul restructuring and fleet harmonisation

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[Edited 2006-12-12 13:20:27]
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 16):
"The cut of the A330 fleet will streamline the Austrian long-haul route network. In concrete terms, scheduled services to Shanghai will be terminated from 7 January 2007, flights to Phuket, Mauritius and Colombo/Male from the end of April, and those to Kathmandu in May 2007. Lauda Air will withdraw from the long-haul charter segment in 2007. The routes to the cities of Karachi in Pakistan and Chennai (Madras) in India that have been under evaluation in recent month will not now be opened up. The new US destination Chicago will be incorporated into the network from 29 May 2007."

That and the earlier announced withdrawal from Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, freeing up the B772s for deployment to IAD and NRT. Also, planned increases in service between VIE and JFK during the summer months are off the table. Next summer, it seems OS' longhaul operation will be but a shadow of its former self.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:40 pm

Bear in mind MUC is just as convenient, if not more so, than VIE for many Austrians. If prices are cheaper with LH out of MUC then national loyalty to yuor flag carrier tends to go out the window. And if you can get all the same FF benefits too then it makes it even more attractive.

The biggest problem for OS is that its main partner is in reality its biggest competitor.....
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:54 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 17):
That and the earlier announced withdrawal from Sydney, Melbourne, Singapore and Kuala Lumpur

I didn't mention the Australian routes because I felt that that change was much more talked about than the other routes withdrawal. But you are of course right.

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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:34 am

OS has mentioned that there is 36 interested buyers for their 4 A 332s.

Lets see who will be the highest bidder.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):

Good indication that what OS is doing is wrong. Replacing 332 with 767 is astonishing. It looks like their lost direction completely.

Why am I not surprised with your comment...?  sarcastic 

According to some Airbus kool-aid drinkers, flying a B767 instead of an A330 means going from a profit to a loss...the same with Boeing....some Boeing kool-aid cheerleaders believe flying an A346 instead of a B777 will lead to a loss also.. sarcastic ....

As stated above, elminating a subfleet and refocusing on routes, yields, etc. will help them achive profitability..not "flying an A330 instead of a B767"....
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:00 am

I can't believe OS routes being not pofitable, I have flown OS many times IAD-VIE-DEL and the plane is always full, so i am wondering why the cut-back, but i guess after reading this thread, it all makes sense.

Yup, IAD now sees the OS 763ER, just saw it sunday flying right over my house turning for 19L approach. the days of A332 in OS colors is history at IAD.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
As stated above, elminating a subfleet and refocusing on routes, yields, etc. will help them achive profitability..not "flying an A330 instead of a B767"....

They'll also get a higher price for selling the A332s as they are in big demand, unlike the B767 - which are still good but doesn't have the same demand. OS is smart to keep the B767 and make money selling the A332.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:33 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):

They'll also get a higher price for selling the A332s as they are in big demand, unlike the B767 - which are still good but doesn't have the same demand. OS is smart to keep the B767 and make money selling the A332.

Actually both are in high demand...and the years, cycles, m/x, etc. play a majour role in resale value of an aircraft..

but I agree..on average, the A332 will command more money than its corresponding B767....
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:46 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):
They'll also get a higher price for selling the A332s as they are in big demand, unlike the B767 - which are still good but doesn't have the same demand. OS is smart to keep the B767 and make money selling the A332.

All widebodies are in demand everywhere. There are no 767s on the market either (there was a chicago tribune article about this). There appears to be a shortage of big airplanes around the size of the 787 (Dohh!!! Airbus!!!!) and with Austrian's pedigree and good maintenance of course there is interest in buying them.

It's interesting they chose to keep the 767s. Boeing 1 Airbus 0
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:15 am

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Austrian Airlines Group CEO Alfred Oetsch confirmed to ATWOnline during the Star Alliance meeting last week in Istanbul that none of the carrier's long-haul routes are profitable.......

Incredible. VIE-IAD-VIE is always full in C, always full in Y. Now with the capacity reduced to 763 the fares to Europe on OS/VIE are higher than LH/MUC. How do they manage to make this route unprofitable?

Quoting Cornish (Reply 18):
The biggest problem for OS is that its main partner is in reality its biggest competitor.....

Isn't this true for LX and LO as well ? Since the FF programs are already integrated there is nothing to prevent premium cutomers from drifting from the satellites to LH. The small airlines can put a struggle, look for niche markets, but looking at the great picture I can see a joint LuftSwissAusLothansa operation in the future.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 1):
AAG, (...), plans to sell four A330-200s in the near future, he added, noting that the carrier has "requests from 36 interested buyers" for the aircraft.

I had expected there would be many interested buyers, but 36 is immense.

I heard a rumbling that LH is interested in purchasing/leasing the soon to be ex-OS A332s, despite LH receiving additional A333s/A346s next year.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:28 am

Quoting Konrad (Reply 26):
Incredible. VIE-IAD-VIE is always full in C, always full in Y. Now with the capacity reduced to 763 the fares to Europe on OS/VIE are higher than LH/MUC. How do they manage to make this route unprofitable?

Not only US-originating passengers are on board these flights. To really assess the profitability of this route, one would have to look at its entire sales profile. It is entirely possible that the majority of passengers on OS's VIE IAD flights are originating somewhere in Eastern Europe and connecting onto a UA operated flight beyond IAD. In that case, OS would have to deal with lower yielding Eastern European flights and would have to pay some pro rate amount of money to UA, both of which could dent the financial benefit for the airline.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:45 am

I noticed the last line and saw that they are removing seats in order to improve comfort. Has this been discussed elsewhere? It is interesting to see an airline do the opposite of what is common nowadays in economy. Improving economy comfort is rare since all the focus is on first and business class.

He emphasized that the airline's focus is on improving passenger service. As an example, he noted that it will remove one seat row on each of its F100s to "add 15 cm. more legroom for our business class passengers."
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:51 am

Austrian is the only airline serving USA and Canada from Vienna nonstop, and still they are not profitable!?
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:08 am

I am very surprised to hear this. Every VIE-DEL-VIE flight I have been has had almost full loads in J; 80% of the connections come from their other almost-full flight VIE-IAD-VIE. If they cannot make money off these 2 routes, there is something seriously wrong with the way OS operates.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:08 am

Just shows everybody how unimpressed carriers are with A-340 to meet their needs.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:26 am

VIE-BOM .is one route i give guarantee is profitable . All they need to do is. replace the B767 by B777 !!
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 32):
Just shows everybody how unimpressed carriers are with A-340 to meet their needs.

Just shows that certain people aren't aware of the fact that currently not a single A340 is in longterm storage...  Yeah sure


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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:56 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 34):
Just shows that certain people aren't aware of the fact that currently not a single A340 is in longterm storage...

Some lessons are harder to learn than others....  mischievous 
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 32):
Just shows everybody how unimpressed carriers are with A-340 to meet their needs.

Austrian has a larger 777 fleet and another one slated for delivery soon. It made more sense to eliminate the A340, which, as PlaneHunter said, is in high demand.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting MrComet (Reply 25):
It's interesting they chose to keep the 767s. Boeing 1 Airbus 0

 Yeah sure

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 24):
Actually both are in high demand...and the years, cycles, m/x, etc. play a majour role in resale value of an aircraft..

but I agree..on average, the A332 will command more money than its corresponding B767...



Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 23):

They'll also get a higher price for selling the A332s

Comet, do you wanna reconsider your statement?
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 36):
Austrian has a larger 777 fleet and another one

At the moment, OS has three A340s and three B777s. But one year ago that was four A340s and three B777s. The upcoming higher number of T7 is only due to the change in the fleet composition.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profita

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 28):
Not only US-originating passengers are on board these flights. To really assess the profitability of this route, one would have to look at its entire sales profile. It is entirely possible that the majority of passengers on OS's VIE IAD flights are originating somewhere in Eastern Europe and connecting onto a UA operated flight beyond IAD. In that case, OS would have to deal with lower yielding Eastern European flights and would have to pay some pro rate amount of money to UA, both of which could dent the financial benefit for the airline.

There is plenty of those passengers in the back cabin.
However, the C cabin is always full as well. I don't think those are cheap upgrades.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting MrComet (Reply 25):
There are no 767s on the market either (there was a chicago tribune article about this).

There are definitely more used B767s on the market than A330s.

Quoting MrComet (Reply 25):
It's interesting they chose to keep the 767s.

That was discussed to death some weeks ago in another thread. To make it short: OS doesn't need the range and payload capability of the A332s for its restructured longhaul network and therefore sells the birds which bring them much more money than the B767s would.


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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 30):
Austrian is the only airline serving USA and Canada from Vienna nonstop, and still they are not profitable!?

Delta is adding ATL-VIE service next summer .... on a 763. And DL's costs are about half of OS'.

This is all part of the restructuring of the European airline industry. There are too many small, regional airlines with global networks in Europe. You will clearly see the 3 mega carriers and then alot of smaller carriers that can exist by affiliating themselves w/ the megacarrers.

It is a shame that some of the smaller carriers couldn't manage to work together to create some mass of their own - much like what Swissair tried to do w/ Alcazar back in the 90s. The European network airline game is really being run by BA, AF/KL, and LH.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:09 am

Again I think OS staying in Star is hurting more than helping and this annoucement just proves it. Sad that OS can't see that LH is hurting them.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:35 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Good indication that what OS is doing is wrong. Replacing 332 with 767 is astonishing. It looks like their lost direction completely.

Well, it's like NW getting rid of A319's but keeping DC-9s, the A332 is newer and worth more money. The 763ER does the job just as well, so why not sell the A332?

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 8):
Wait´till LH buys them as they did with LX and then all will be all right Big grin , LH is waiting until OS is almost bankrupt and they´ll buy them they did the same with LX.

Will the regulators allow that? Seems like an awful lot of consolidation? I think it would be a bad thing to see OS merged into LH. My impression is that OS service is better, or at least has more character than LH's nice, but generic service.

Like someone else said, they'd be smart to more or less give away the european connecting flights to get people onto their longhaul, and follow the american airlines leads in doing whatever is possible to slash costs.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:12 am

The costs on the 763 are better than the 332. And OS puts as manty seats on a 763 as a 332. As a result, CASM or unit cost, is significantly cheaper vs the A332.

It's not typical of airlines to put over 240 sts on B763's.
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting CRGsFuture (Reply 42):
Again I think OS staying in Star is hurting more than helping and this annoucement just proves it. Sad that OS can't see that LH is hurting them.

I agree. Star has too many central European airlines. They are destined to become feeders for LH if they stay in it. I think OneWorld needs a central European hub, preferably in a wealthy city in a wealthy nation that has plenty of transcontinental passengers passing through, and Vienna seems like a reasonable candidate.
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Konrad (Reply 26):
Now with the capacity reduced to 763

I think in summer of 2007, OS will fly the 772ER to IAD
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:17 am

Does anyone know what the future of the YYZ route will be? I am booked to fly this in January, but my return isn't until July of 2007. Is this a safe route for OS, or could it be on the chopping block soon? Does anyone know what the loads on this flight are like?
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profitable

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:34 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 47):

last time I heard for the summer of 2007 they fly daily with a B763 so you should be fine!
 
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RE: Austrian: None Of Long-haul Routes Are Profita

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:31 pm

this makes me very sad, as OS is the finest airline i have ever flown on. the flight attendants switched flawlessly and energetically between english, french, german, and spanish on a flight that i took from VIE to CDG last year. i was amazed at their versatility and hospitality. on top of that, OS has always been clean, easy, and on time in my experience.

and LH, while a fine airline, is a typical mega-airline that lacks the personal touches. seems like the "bigger is better" corporate plan is truly invading europe as well.

and let me tell you -- OS from VIE to IAD is infinitely better than LH from VIE to FRA to IAD. i will never fly the latter again.