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1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:35 am

Two from the 5 777-200 already grounded till Varig financial problems will be returned to the lessor during the next days.

In fact PP-VRJ (777-200A with PW engines), nowadays N770UA departed GIG 5 hours ago heading to the United States and probably to be prepared for a new airline. It's still on Varig livery (only without the Brazilian flag).

It's brother PP-VRI (777-200A also), will be probably flying, as N767UA until the end of week.

Does anyone knows if there are a new commitment for these birds ?

Up to now, there are more 3 772 available:

PP-VRB - Now without all their seats at GIG, seems to be in the near future another AM bird.

PP-VRE and PP-VRF, the first one at JFK and the second at GIG, both without engines.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Two from the 5 777-200 already grounded till Varig financial problems will be returned to the lessor during the next days.

In fact PP-VRJ (777-200A with PW engines), nowadays N770UA departed GIG 5 hours ago heading to the United States and probably to be prepared for a new airline. It's still on Varig livery (only without the Brazilian flag).

It's brother PP-VRI (777-200A also), will be probably flying, as N767UA until the end of week.

Does anyone knows if there are a new commitment for these birds ?

Up to now, there are more 3 772 available:

PP-VRB - Now without all their seats at GIG, seems to be in the near future another AM bird.

PP-VRE and PP-VRF, the first one at JFK and the second at GIG, both without engines.

Felipe

I don't know how accurate I may be, but I have read in a Portuguese aviation site that Euro Atlantic will be receiving a B777-200 in January.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:18 am

It looks to be headed to Fort Worth Alliance scheduled in about 1:15 PM CST. The flight plan appears inactive, it probably hasn't reached US airspace yet.
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:49 am

From the looks of the registration numbers, they look like registrations that usually UA aircraft get assigned. Is it possible UA has re-acquired those aircraft to free up more -200ERs for longrange flying (e.g. IAD-KWI)?
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:52 am

No, it is simply the old US reg, owned by Wells Fargo.
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:28 am

Thanks for the update with what's going on with the ex-Varig 777s.

It may be possible that UA will get some of the 777s back since UA is adding more routes to Europe eg FCO which will be flown with a 777. I'm not saying that UA for sure will get ex-Varig 777s, just that it is something that could happen.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operat

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
From the looks of the registration numbers, they look like registrations that usually UA aircraft get assigned. Is it possible UA has re-acquired those aircraft to free up more -200ERs for longrange flying (e.g. IAD-KWI)?

AFAIK, the FAA doesn't assign any airlines registration numbers ending with certain letters, although airlines are free to reserve registration numbers they may be using in the future. Clickhappy's explanation is correct.

I'm hoping that the 777s will return to service with another airline and not end up like some of their sister ships in a scrapyard.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
I'm hoping that the 777s will return to service with another airline and not end up like some of their sister ships in a scrapyard.

I'm sure they will find a new operator as both (VRI and VRJ) are in better shape than VRC/VRD.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 6):
It may be possible that UA will get some of the 777s back since UA is adding more routes to Europe eg FCO which will be flown with a 777. I'm not saying that UA for sure will get ex-Varig 777s, just that it is something that could happen.

It might be a smart move. A little investment and they will be ready for service.

As soon as PP-VRI departs GIG i will advise accordingly.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:18 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
No, it is simply the old US reg, owned by Wells Fargo.



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 7):
AFAIK, the FAA doesn't assign any airlines registration numbers ending with certain letters, although airlines are free to reserve registration numbers they may be using in the future. Clickhappy's explanation is correct.

Thanks for the clarification.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
It might be a smart move. A little investment and they will be ready for service.

My thoughts exactly. UA already flew them, and nowadays, they can use the additional lift. As those aircraft were originally built for them, I'm sure with some refurbishing and a thorough maintenance check, they'll fit into their fleet perfectly. Even if they don't get the -222ERs, the -222As can still fit into UA, especially for freeing up more -222ERs for expansion into Asia, the Middle East, or even Africa (if they choose to give DL's JFK flights some competition with Africa flights out of IAD).
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:27 pm

My bet is these are the 2 ex-UA/RG birds being touted for Royal Brunei....
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:30 pm

The second one , PP-VRI, departed today from GIG to the US.

Now GIG keeps with only 2 birds, and JFK with the other one.

And one operator should celebrate... a pair of 772's

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
PP-VRB - Now without all their seats at GIG, seems to be in the near future another AM bird

Hello Felipe. Hope to see that soon. AM is in dire need of additional long-haulers. IIRC, PP-VRB is a B772ER, Is this correct?

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:15 am

Hi Adriaticus. It seems to be PP-VRB is indeed an ER version, so it should satisfy AM. Let's see if Felipe or Ghost can tell us more about the chances of PP-VRB becoming AM's fourth 772.
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:43 am

I am surprised Continental was not interested in VRB
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:36 am

PP-VRB is one of the two GE powered 772ERs which RG leased from ILFC (it's a -2Q8ER to be precise). According to Airfleets, it's due to enter service soon with AM and will have an until now yet to be determined XA-*** reg. Felipe, can you confirm?
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:55 am

According to the last info given by Felipe and other several AM insiders, ex. PP-VRB will be in AM's fleet next year. It will take a little longer... VRB was in need of 2 new GE9094B's despite its age and which were about to get to GIG by the first days of December. ILFC then has the next decision, where to give it a fresh C service... as ILFC was the one deciding to service VRA at China... which BTW, it was a very poor mx service given! I've recently been told AM wants more South America, Europe and perhaps NRT going to 3X!
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:06 am

I think VRJ will be going to Euro Atlantic or at least one ex RG T7 will be going to them.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 10):
My bet is these are the 2 ex-UA/RG birds being touted for Royal Brunei....

The T7's for Royal Brunei will be ex AF birds I believe.

I hope ILFC will have good faith in sending the others back to UA. They are dire need of long haul a/c.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 16):

Glad to see AM getting another ex RG bird. At least this magnificent beast will not see the scrap yard in the near future.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 16):
ILFC then has the next decision, where to give it a fresh C service

I hope it will be in HAM. PP-VRB would be more than welcome to get a good C-Check at Lufthansa Technik.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 6:48 am

The lesson from Varig is don't just take any old 777 available. Varig had the most mixed 777 fleet of any airline, it was a disaster with so many engine types.
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:54 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Hi Adriaticus. It seems to be PP-VRB is indeed an ER version, so it should satisfy AM. Let's see if Felipe or Ghost can tell us more about the chances of PP-VRB becoming AM's fourth 772.

Right, PP-VRB is a 777-200ER with GE engines. The chances as far as i know.. 100% !

Quoting CB777 (Reply 14):
I am surprised Continental was not interested in VRB

AFAIK AM was faster... and ILFC grant them the 2 birds (VRA+VRB).

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
PP-VRB is one of the two GE powered 772ERs which RG leased from ILFC (it's a -2Q8ER to be precise). According to Airfleets, it's due to enter service soon with AM and will have an until now yet to be determined XA-*** reg. Felipe, can you confirm?

Yes, but i believe VRB will receive an US registration. I think ex-VRA is nowadays an US registered plane, am i right ?

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:26 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
Varig had the most mixed 777 fleet of any airline, it was a disaster with so many engine types.

Amen to that. They had P&W, GE and RR?

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 20):
I think ex-VRA is nowadays an US registered plane, am i right ?

Yes. PP-VRA's new registration with AM is N774AM.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
They had P&W, GE and RR?

No, just GE and PW. AFAIK, RG never operated any RR Trent 800 powered 777s. Also a problem was that they operate various types of 777s. Two GE powered 777-2Q8ERs from ILFC (PP-VRA and PP-VRB), two GE powered 777-236As (PP-VRC and PP-VRD), two PW powered 777-222ERs (PP-VRE and PP-VRF) and two PW powered 777-222As (PP-VRI and PP-VRJ).

Operating a mixed engined 777 fleet is difficult enough I reckon. But operating a mixed engined 777 fleet, with four of them being lower range A models must be even harder.
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 7:31 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
Operating a mixed engined 777 fleet is difficult enough I reckon. But operating a mixed engined 777 fleet, with four of them being lower range A models must be even harder.

Well I agree with the MX RG had, it was a catastrophe waiting to happen before a plane got stuck in some city away from Brazil.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:27 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 22):
Operating a mixed engined 777 fleet is difficult enough I reckon. But operating a mixed engined 777 fleet, with four of them being lower range A models must be even harder

Varig did have its problems, and the mixed 777 fleet was certainly less than optimal.....but the shorter range A variants did have their place in the Varig fleet. Consider that the A market 777s do have considerable range, they were adequate for the Brazil-Miami routes, the high demand regional Latin american routes and the domestic services (the important GRU-BSB-MAO run for example where a lot of pax and cargo must be moved).....and being that the 772A is a lighter airplane its extremely effecient to operate. Varig needed the ER variants for longer routes to Europe and the LAX/Japan routes. That being said, have two PW/A, two PW/ER, two GE/A and two GE/ER variants must have been a pain in the butt.

I always thought that the A market variants of the 777 family did not get the attention that they deserve....and have been overshadowed by the extremely capable ER variants. The 772A makes a lot of sense on East Coast-Europe transatlantic routes, MIA-Latin America services, Europe-MidEast/Gulf services, etc. But, just as with the 767, most airlines prefer the ER variants of the 777 models due to their increased flexilibity and versatility.

There were rumors that:

-the second GE/ER version was going to Aeromexico - is this confirmed?
-the two GE/A versions were going to be broken up (they are supposed to be in terrible shape).
-the two GE/A versions were going to be remanufactured by Boeing and be leased to an airline in desperate need of more 777s.
-the PW versions would find their way back to UA at much cheaper leasing rates (especially the unpopular A market models).
-the PW/ER variants had found a new home with EuroAtlantic.

Any update on any of these rumors?
 
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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
the high demand regional Latin american routes and the domestic services (the important GRU-BSB-MAO run for example where a lot of pax and cargo must be moved)

This service was GIG-BSB-MAO and not GRU. Also, they could fly LIS and JFK with no further problems.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
-the second GE/ER version was going to Aeromexico - is this confirmed?

In Brazil everyone says the same, but neither AM or GECAS confirmed this. It's a fact that the plane is being prepared at Rio for a new operator.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
the PW/ER variants had found a new home with EuroAtlantic.

I believe it's easy to see EuroAtlantic with one of the PW/A versions. AFAIK there are no action on PW/ER bird at GIG, don't know about the one at JFK.


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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 25):
I believe it's easy to see EuroAtlantic with one of the PW/A versions. AFAIK there are no action on PW/ER bird at GIG, don't know about the one at JFK.

Can someone give us some status of whther both birds will go to UA.

I believe the A versions are going to Euro Atlantic.

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RE: 1 Ex-RG 772 (PP-VRJ) Flying GIG-US. New Operator?

Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
the two GE/A versions were going to be remanufactured by Boeing and be leased to an airline in desperate need of more 777s.

Maybe Continental????

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