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Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:54 am

bid goodnight to SQ and the Sydney-Los Angeles route.

VIRGIN Blue plans to launch a long-haul international airline on US routes have been given a green light by the airline¿s board as Australia¿s second biggest carrier yesterday upgraded its net profit forecast by 40 per cent to more than $158 million.


Virgin said the revised forecast followed an improvement in market conditions and the airline’s performance as the result of initiatives launched last year.

The airline said it would now begin a planning and implementation phase of its plan to fly wide-body aircraft to the US and possibly some Asian destinations.

”Subject to conditions such as regulatory approval, the granting of adequate bilateral access and the conclusion of aircraft negotiations, the airline expects to launch international long-haul operations by late 2008,” it said.

Virgin’s moves to push ahead with its US plans will come as a blow to Singapore Airlines, which had hoped to capitalise on a takeover of Qantas by private equity firms to push its own aspirations to fly on the lucrative US route.

The federal Government cited a desire to see another Australian airline fly on the route as a major reason for denying Singapore access to the route earlier this year.

It has reiterated that view as recently as this week.

Source The Australian

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...ory/0,20867,20920497-23349,00.html
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:49 am

Glad to see that UA and QF will be getting some competition. Hopefully, it will push the fares back down to the level that they were at when NZ still flew the route non-stop.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:59 am

Which aircraft will be chosen, problably A340-313X, is it?

I don't think they'll use the B747-400s, because to commonoly the fleet, is better the Airbus A343, to be transfer from Virgin Atlantic.
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting Werkur767 (Reply 2):
Which aircraft will be chosen, problably A340-313X, is it?

I don't think they'll use the B747-400s, because to commonoly the fleet, is better the Airbus A343, to be transfer from Virgin Atlantic.

I think we're talking A346 v 773ER here. Godfrey has gone on record as saying he doesn't particularly care as long as they can get the planes.
They still have to source aircraft and get daily access to US routes. I think TOLL are also looking at freighters for Asian services, which could point to a combined 773ER/777F order.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting Werkur767 (Reply 2):
Which aircraft will be chosen, problably A340-313X, is it?

I don't think they'll use the B747-400s, because to commonoly the fleet, is better the Airbus A343, to be transfer from Virgin Atlantic.

VS won't be involved in any plane transfer...it will be basically between the A346 and B773ER....
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:16 am

If Virgin Atlantic keeps on removing A343s from its fleet, perhaps these could serve as a stopgap measure to allow Virgin Blue to start American operations?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:38 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 5):
If Virgin Atlantic keeps on removing A343s from its fleet, perhaps these could serve as a stopgap measure to allow Virgin Blue to start American operations?

Why do people keep saying this? DJ and VS have nothing in common except one miniroity share holder SRB, who holds maybe 20-25%, while Toll holds 50%+

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:42 am

DJ and VS have alot in common.

SRB was the founder !!!

They share cabin crew on a yearly basis, by way of an exchange.

DJ is a Virgin company !!!

DJ is a sister company !
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:45 am

The title is misleading, not intentionally so, because the article was misleading.

They've received no actual approval to fly these routes.

Their board has approved their plans. Australia and the United States still have some say.

I dunno if this is good or bad.... I am sure Aussie travelers will enjoy enhanced choice.

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting VirginCrew (Reply 8):
DJ is a Virgin company !!!

Sorry DJ is a TOLL company, using the licienced Virgin brand! They are NOT sister companies!

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:56 pm

Surely SQ would like to get involved with this?

I think they own 49% of VS & if they can't get into the OZ/US market directly, this is one way they could. Surely they could buy 49% of DJ international ?

Would SQ be able to find aircraft required from their own fleet ?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:32 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 10):
Surely they could buy 49% of DJ international ?

There already is DJ International and it's called Pacific Blue and operates flights out of NZ and Australia. Virgin Australia, DJ, is not allowed to use the Virgin name outside of Australia and if I'm right I think SQ has the veto on this.

I assume that SQ could only buy into the international operation if it was a joint venture between Toll, who own DJ and SQ but even then that wouldn't give SQ what it really wants which is its planes flying the Pacific.

I'm sure some of the business headed guys on here will be able to suggest some structure that might work.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:46 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 11):
There already is DJ International and it's called Pacific Blue and operates flights out of NZ and Australia. Virgin Australia, DJ, is not allowed to use the Virgin name outside of Australia and if I'm right I think SQ has the veto on this.

I assume that SQ could only buy into the international operation if it was a joint venture between Toll, who own DJ and SQ but even then that wouldn't give SQ what it really wants which is its planes flying the Pacific.

I'm sure some of the business headed guys on here will be able to suggest some structure that might work.

Surely by now, DJ has discussed with SQ the use of the Virgin name. I don't think flights to USA will operate under Pacific Blue banner, as that sends the wrong message, meaning DJ Int will be more upmarket that Pacific Blue.

Don't think there's anything that could stop DJ from leasing SQ aircraft (wet leasing would make it easy to start with) & leave aircraft painted in SQ colours with the famous SQ flight attendants. Or some sort of combi livery showing the SQ ownership, if that were to happen. SQ have the best name in the world for service, without doubt, so it could only help.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:48 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 10):
Surely they could buy 49% of DJ international ?

Only if Toll will sell it to them! Which they might, but I would guess that Toll and SQ would never agree on price.

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 11):
There already is DJ International and it's called Pacific Blue and operates flights out of NZ and Australia. Virgin Australia, DJ, is not allowed to use the Virgin name outside of Australia and if I'm right I think SQ has the veto on this.

It's not clear yet if Pacific Blue will be the operating enity for this. It could be, BUT it does NOT have an Oz AOC (airline licience) it has an NZ one, which could cause problems as an Oz designated carrier.

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13):
Only if Toll will sell it to them! Which they might, but I would guess that Toll and SQ would never agree on price.

I don't know about that. SQ would be very VERY keen to be involved & it seems the only likely way they could be involved in OZ/US flights in the near future.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:25 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 14):
I don't know about that. SQ would be very VERY keen to be involved & it seems the only likely way they could be involved in OZ/US flights in the near future.

I doubt it. I am sure SQ would rather run their own Oz-USA services. They would buy into DJs plans IF THE PRICE WERE RIGHT. Somehow I feel that what SQ think is the right price and what Toll think is the right price are two very different things. AFAIK Toll is not actively seeking finance for the venture so what incentive would they have to allow SQ in? You dont just give away half the farm unless you have too.

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting VirginCrew (Reply 7):

SRB has got nothing to do with DJs order, and has been said DJ isn't a Virgin Company
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:27 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 3):
I think we're talking A346 v 773ER here. Godfrey has gone on record as saying he doesn't particularly care as long as they can get the planes.
They still have to source aircraft and get daily access to US routes. I think TOLL are also looking at freighters for Asian services, which could point to a combined 773ER/777F order.

Who believes that Virgin Blue (or whatever entity of Virgin will run this trans-pacific service) will get 773ER's by the end of 2008?

I would have to say on the basis of probabilities that they will not be using the 77W or 77C. In fact, it will be very hard for DJ to secure any type of 777 before that date.
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 14):
I don't know about that. SQ would be very VERY keen to be involved & it seems the only likely way they could be involved in OZ/US flights in the near future.

SQ won't even codeshare with their own Star Alliance partners and you're suggesting that they would be interested in "lending their identity" to some minor carrier? Are you dreaming?  Smile IF SQ can't server the route themselves they will no be involved in it, short of just having a ownership stake in the airline in question.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 18):

SQ won't even codeshare with their own Star Alliance partners

What do you mean by this? We have SQ codes on some NZ domestic flights.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Werkur767 (Reply 2):
Which aircraft will be chosen, problably A340-313X, is it?

If it's gonna be in 2008, why go the A343 route when everybody else is looking at using newer aircraft? My guess is they'll go A346 coz goodluck getting some 773's by then.
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:26 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 19):
What do you mean by this? We have SQ codes on some NZ domestic flights.

That was a tongue in cheek comment, sorry. Filghts with a SQ codeshare are very few. SQ is very reluctant to do that.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 17):
Who believes that Virgin Blue (or whatever entity of Virgin will run this trans-pacific service) will get 773ER's by the end of 2008?

I would have to say on the basis of probabilities that they will not be using the 77W or 77C. In fact, it will be very hard for DJ to secure any type of 777 before that date.

They may have 773ER slots reserved for them, either direct from Boeing or through a lessor. Godfrey has said they can get either 346/773ER in the desired timeframe on several occasions and it matters little which type is chosen(which I don't really believe). I take your point about 777 deliveries and new orders taken recently point to a full 777 line until 2009 and possibly 2010. I can only assume DJ has reserved 773ER(and 346) slots, which will have to be exercised in the very near future, or they will be lost.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:44 am

Some more news from this mornings The Australian:

"...The new airline is looking at wide-body planes capable of flying non-stop to the US, as the Airbus A340-600 and the Boeing 777-300ER.

The planes can carry between 420 and 450 passengers more than 14,000km in a two-class configuration, the seating arrangement used by Jetstar International.

Aircraft manufacturers Boeing and Airbus have been holding open slots in their production schedules to supply seven planes, pending final talks..."


Link to full article here
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:47 am

Thanks Flyjetstar. That confirms both Airbus/Boeing are holding slots for DJ.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:53 am

According to the aformentioned article..this is a bigger issue..

"The airline, owned by Virgin Blue, has yet to set ticket prices but one analyst said it could slash basic fares to the US by 25 per cent and by as much as 40 per cent during sale periods."

Not only are fares going to get worse here (as I've been saying for quite some time now), but if AC get the route authority to fly YYZ-LAX-SYD, then fares will go down even more.

Add to the fact carriers such as EK, SQ will be flying the Big Beast (A380) on the "Kangaroo Route" along with QF...QF's 2 "bread and butter" routes are going to be taking massive hits in terms of yields...

Maybe QF is doing the right thing by "selling themselves out".....and also figuring that the B787 will need to be their new workhourse and serve routes which won't be as competitive...

BA was smart enough already to downgrade one of their Kangaroo Flights to a B777....

It's going to be an interesting couple of years for QF....as the landscape is changing quite dramatically....

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:22 am

Well did they decide on LAX or SFO?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:43 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 18):
SQ won't even codeshare with their own Star Alliance partners and you're suggesting that they would be interested in "lending their identity" to some minor carrier? Are you dreaming?

No, they are getting sick of dealing with corrupt Australian politicians who are in QF's pocket & this way they can bypass them.

It would be fantastic to hava DJ/SQ partnership between OZ & USA, although SQ would have to be minority shareholder, although that doesn't mean not in control.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 27):
No, they are getting sick of dealing with corrupt Australian politicians who are in QF's pocket & this way they can bypass them.

That's a big call. Can you prove the politicians are corrupt? Sure QF have the ear of CBR but to then say that because of that the politicians are corrupt is quite a leap without proof. We might not like their decisions but that's life.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:59 am

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 28):
That's a big call. Can you prove the politicians are corrupt? Sure QF have the air of CBR but to then say that because of that the politicians are corrupt is quite a leap without proof. We might not like their decisions but that's life.

You're kidding right?

There's no rational reason to protect QF. We need tourists badly. With coming recession, we'll need them more than ever & protecting the big red sepo rat, only keeps fares higher on average which leads to less tourists.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 30):

You're kidding right?

Nope. Prove they are corrupt. That's a big call to make against someone. And what you have written here:

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 30):
There's no rational reason to protect QF. We need tourists badly. With coming recession, we'll need them more than ever & protecting the big red sepo rat, only keeps fares higher on average which leads to less tourists.

does not prove corruption. All it says is that you disagree with the decision CBR have made. A bad decision in your eyes does not equal corruption. This might be the internet and you might be anonymous but to level claims like that without proof is bad form from my perspective.

[Edited 2006-12-14 04:10:27]
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:14 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 31):
Quoting Australia1 (Reply 30):
There's no rational reason to protect QF. We need tourists badly. With coming recession, we'll need them more than ever & protecting the big red sepo rat, only keeps fares higher on average which leads to less tourists.

Offer evidance that we need more tourists more than we need to protect QF!

You could be right, but an unjustified, bald statement is worthless!

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:14 pm

Be realistic, all politicians are corrupt, that's why they get into politics to feather their own nest.

Anyway, back on topic ... with the QF takeover by US interests, DJ should fastrack their flights to the US as tide will turn against QF, as seen to be no longer an Australian carrier.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:29 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 33):
Be realistic, all politicians are corrupt, that's why they get into politics to feather their own nest.

Nah mate I don't believe that. And if I did I'd have to take some responsibility for that cause I put them there.

You undermine your arguments with the comments you have made.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:48 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 32):
Offer evidance that we need more tourists more than we need to protect QF!

Ok, economics 101 ...

Australia's been thru a BIG boom over last 4 or 5 years & we all know what follows a boom, a bust & the higher the boom, the lower the bust, it's called

R E C E S S I ON !!!

Protectionism in aviation leads to higher (average) fares which leads to less leisure travel.

With Australia's current account deficit increasing all the time, we need all the exports we can & inbound tourism can be increased relatively easily, but allowing more competition & that could be allowed tomorrow, especially now as dodgy old QF will effectively be in foreign hands !!!
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 35):
Protectionism in aviation leads to higher (average) fares which leads to less leisure travel.

Agreed, but prove that this is worse for the country than not providing protection to QF. Not saying it is, not saying it is not, just saying you have not supported your position

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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 36):
Agreed, but prove that this is worse for the country than not providing protection to QF. Not saying it is, not saying it is not, just saying you have not supported your position

SQ had a pretty good argument, but were ignored by CBR.

With todays announcement, lots of QF jobs will go, so not protecting Australians employment anymore.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:09 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 37):

SQ had a pretty good argument, but were ignored by CBR.

They were not ignored. They presented their case and they didn't get the outcome they wanted.

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 37):
With todays announcement, lots of QF jobs will go, so not protecting Australians employment anymore.

Based on? Just because QF is Australian owned it protects Australian jobs? How does that work. QF has been outsourcing for sometime now overseas.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:24 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 38):
Just because QF is Australian owned it protects Australian jobs?

with todays announcement, effective control will go to U.S. interests & the banks.

QF's biggest problem is it's incredibly large & overpaid workforce for it's number of aircraft.

So reducing this workforce will be 1 of the 1st thing on the agenda for new owners & breaking the company up into profitable & unprofitable bits with the unprofitable bits, left to fight for themselves, in other words fail.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:27 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 39):

with todays announcement, effective control will go to U.S. interests & the banks.

QF's biggest problem is it's incredibly large & overpaid workforce for it's number of aircraft.

So reducing this workforce will be 1 of the 1st thing on the agenda for new owners & breaking the company up into profitable & unprofitable bits with the unprofitable bits, left to fight for themselves, in other words fail.

Mate! You manage to draw a long bow with almost anything.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting Flyjetstar (Reply 40):
Mate! You manage to draw a long bow with almost anything.


nobody spends $11B unless they think they're going to be making a lot of money. The question is, what will be left in 5 years time ? Anything at all ?

Or will QF just be a shell ?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 32):
Offer evidance that we need more tourists more than we need to protect QF!

I doubt any tourist will care what they fly to ASP, DRW, PER, AYQ, ADL, HBA, LST, SYD, BNE, OOL etc etc etc on so long as they get there and they get there when they want to and at a price they can afford, relative to other destinations.

I think that is way more important than protecting a big business like QF, who is now owned by a consortium of soulless big get-cash-quick businesses, who wouldn't give a crap about the "Aussie icon" past giving it lip service to please the politicians.

So, I hope DJ does provide more competition (domestic and international) and drive down the prices ... working with the NT market (am actually typing this from QF monopoly ASP) I've lost count of the number of times people (both domestic and international) who told me they decided to not come to the Territory because QF charged them way too much for their airfares.
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:39 pm

Quoting 2wingtips (Reply 22):
They may have 773ER slots reserved for them, either direct from Boeing or through a lessor. Godfrey has said they can get either 346/773ER in the desired timeframe on several occasions and it matters little which type is chosen(which I don't really believe). I take your point about 777 deliveries and new orders taken recently point to a full 777 line until 2009 and possibly 2010. I can only assume DJ has reserved 773ER(and 346) slots, which will have to be exercised in the very near future, or they will be lost.

With respect to your comment on the 773ER, not what I heard.  Wink
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:12 am

With the QF PR debacle, am sure that if DJ could get aircraft sooner, they would as they could certainly capitalise on the Americanising of QF.
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:10 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 44):
With the QF PR debacle, am sure that if DJ could get aircraft sooner, they would as they could certainly capitalise on the Americanising of QF.

I am sure DJ would absolutely love it, but I am almost certain (barring absolute positive confirmation from unnamed sources) that DJ cannot get the planes they want in time for the 2008 deadline.

I would expect some very hard bargaining from DJ if they want some Boeings. I guess the only comment I can make is to watch eagerly what happens with this. I know the fleet planning guys are going to be working very hard on this one!
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 45):
DJ cannot get the planes they want in time for the 2008 deadline.

I though DJ announced that they would be flying to U.S. in Jan08 ?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 46):
I though DJ announced that they would be flying to U.S. in Jan08 ?

Late 2008...
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 47):
Late 2008...

R u sure ?

Am sure I read something that said Jan ????
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:19 am

Quoting Australia1 (Reply 48):
Am sure I read something that said Jan ????

The email sent to DJ staff said late 2008.
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RE: Virgin Blue Approved For US Flights

Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:21 am

"The planning and implementation phase of long haul USA will now be
expedited and subject to conditions such as regulatory approval, the
granting of adequate bi-lateral access and conclusion of aircraft
negotiations, we would expect to launch our first international long haul
flights to USA by late 2008."
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