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Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:59 pm

I read the paper this morning and there was an interesting article about how Lansing should look at other carriers and destinations. The one I found most interesting was F9 to DEN.

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Airport hopes to get 80% of flyers in area
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:30 pm

The problem that LAN and other MI airports have is DTW, as if you are flying NW you can make the less then 2 hour drive and fly nonstop right from DTW or fly from LAN and end up connecting via DTW anyway! It is 6 of one and have a dozen of another. Though they are more aggressively seeking airlines than GRR.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:31 pm

I fly from LAN occasionally when fares and my preferred carrier can't get it done from GRR. I read this article and routes to CUN and AUA seem remote, unless offerred like 3 or 4 times a year in a package program. The fact that many LAN residents drive elsewhere is surprising. Possibly to FNT for FL low recreational fares, but can't see where else they would be going (Maybe DTW for long Int'l routes).

I like LAN and think it is a well managed airport. However, I don't think it's fares and services are very skewed for the market.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:53 pm

DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

Lansing NW is now the "B team", B as in su-B-stitutes, and FNT and GRR still have the NW folks.
Lansing does have some non-stop service to LAS and Orlando but so does FNT.

Lansing needs something because it seems to go downhill. You can see all Michigan station boardings on Michigan's MDOT site...aviation section.

As you can see by reviewing that site, Lansing looks to be going south and I don't mean Florida.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:04 am

From looking at the statistics of total passengers though, LAN is in a comfortable 4th behind the obvious DTW, GRR, FNT crowd. I would love to see out to IAD or DCA because NW matched FlyI and once FlyI left, they dropped it.

I would also like to see a F9 service, it would be interesting, especially with their recent a/c order.

I do like how G4 has come in and has 3 destinations now, it provides more opprotunity for local travelers. I love LAN because I live so close and it doesn't have a problem with security wait times. The only bad thing is it has high fares and not many choices. My top choice would be to bring service to IAD and maybe F9 out to Denver.

I am flying G4 in a couple months and can't wait. Do they have their own Ticket Counter yet? I know in the past, they have shared the space with DL Connection, but now with them starting a 3rd destination I think they might have moved, but am not sure.

Having thought about it more, I think one of the biggest, if not the biggest problem LAN has is its' proximaty to GRR/DTW/FNT. It isn't that hard to just book FL out of FNT and drive or same with DTW. If they could bring in another carrier with more options, that would be awesome.

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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
Lansing needs something because it seems to go downhill. You can see all Michigan station boardings on Michigan's MDOT site...aviation section.

As you can see by reviewing that site, Lansing looks to be going south and I don't mean Florida.
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slightly off subject... but...

I'm just jealous LAN has the UPS mini-hub for Michigan (outside of Detroit area.)

I still remember when GRR had a 727-100F chartered to/ leased to UPS in GRR back in the early 80's before UPS built the hub at LAN. Can't remember the airline name - recall it was all silver with blue markings and parked on the main terminal ramp at GRR- long before the east side freight terminals were constructed.

... oh well at least we have the FDX mini-hub here in GRR with A310's and the occasional A306.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:39 am

With F9 operating 3x daily service to DTW, I really don't see them entering the LAN market. I suspect they'd go into GRR first, and then they'd be pulling LAN traffic from both east and west. FNT really doesn't have that much service, either, though it's lots better than what's offered @ LAN. And I think the overall location and terminal facility @ FNT is excellent. Nestled right between two interstates and Rte 23, and the recently expanded terminal building. Also, GRR's fairly new east exit off of I-96 couldn't have made the LAN folks very happy when it opened for us. That just made it even easier to choose GRR.

DTW is a beast, though, and also has the advantage of offering low-cost service by NK, FL, WN, and F9. Those carriers offer a combined 70 daily departures from DTW. And then there are all of the n/s destinations offered by NW, both domestic and international. That's hard to beat, and the airport's location on the outskirts of town only makes it an easier choice for the LAN traveler. Although it is on the southwest side, you don't have to travel through the majority of the metro area to get to DTW from LAN.

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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:53 am

lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university

Do the students there take advantage of Capital City Airport?
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:06 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country),

Not to mention its the state capital. Remember passing thru LAN on Norh Central in 1974 on a diverison from MQT, and at that time LAN had UA DC-8 service to ORD.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:43 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

GRR draws from the greater metropolitan Grand Rapids area with a population somewhere around one million residents.

FNT also draws from a large population base; areas which include the northern metropolitan Detroit communities like Pontiac, Auburn Hills, etc.

I once lived in the suburban Lansing area - Lansing has little to offer other than MSU. Now Grand Rapids and the nearby lakeshore...... a whole 'nuther story.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

It is so big with many instate students. When I went there many of my friends (that weren't instate) would drive to DTW because a hour and a half isn't that far to drive for a cheap flight. There would also be kids who would rent a car and drive to Chicago to catch a flight. Remember these are college kids. Cheap is their middle name. Not the niche market segment for the airline.

And like most other college towns...the students and the city of East Lansing don't get along and Lansing, like mentioned, offers nothing for students besides a Deja Vu. The students fund E.L. for 9 months of the year and leave via cars.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 11):
When I went there many of my friends (that weren't instate) would drive to DTW because a hour and a half isn't that far to drive for a cheap flight.

lol...i go to purdue and i gotta catch a bus to take me to indianapolis airport (1hr drive) so i can go to dtw.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:40 pm

I could be wrong, but vs. University of Michigan I think the percentage of out of staters attending MSU is much lower, while most of MSU students are already from Michigan.

Second of all, college students probably cannot afford to pay the fares out of LAN and will travel to DTW to save a couple hundred $.

I am not sure how much out of state travel is required for people working at the State capitol. The Michigan government has a lot of their own aircraft for its employees to travel on if they need to go out of state.

If I am not mistaken, Lansing is about the 6th or 7th largest city in Michigan following Detroit, Flint, Grand Rapids, Ann Arbor and I believe even Warren. If I am not mistaken its population is barely over 100,000.

Also - LAN was built on the wrong side of town for a good capture area. Had it been built on the southeast side of town between Lansing/East Lansing and perhaps Webberville, there would be a good capture area of Livingston County - Brighton, Howell - which use DTW and FNT currently. You might even be able to grab people from South Lyon and Milford area had LAN been built in a different location.

Although LAN does occassionally grab people from the Grand Rapids area. My uncle lives in Rockford MI, which is 10 miles north of Grand Rapids up 131. He used LAN to fly Allegiant to LAS.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:05 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
You might even be able to grab people from South Lyon and Milford area

an overstatement at the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

Yeah and in Jackson, Michigan about 45 min south of Lansing, they have advertisement to "Fly Delta out of the Capital City!". Talk about poor advertisement for your single flight.

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 7):
lansing is the home of michigan state university (one of the largest in the country), i am suprised they are behind grandrapids and flint.

Well it is not to far from DTW. This might not be a good example but U of M in Ann Arbor does not have flight service eather out of there. Mainly to DTW being only 30 to 40 min outside of the city. But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 8):
Do the students there take advantage of Capital City Airport?

No they do not. Many of the students travel to DTW, FNT, and ORD. Fares out of these airports of course are cheaper then out of LAN. It is not a far trip to drive to MDW to fly with WN to possibly your non stop destination. As mentioned before as well, many of the students in East Lansing are from the Lansing area for college or not to far away in Michigan. I know that when I fly into Michigan I use DTW every single time even though LAN is closer. For one reason, HP flys into DTW and not LAN, fares are dirt cheap compaired to LAN, and I like the drive from Detroit to Jackson  Smile
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 14):
an overstatement at the least!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you read the whole section - had LAN been built on the southeast side of town such as around I-96 and the exit for Mason(?) it could have been in the capture area for Livingston County - which is growing fast since everyone is trying to move as far away from Detroit as possible. I also think western Oakland would use LAN as an option had LAN been built where I said. However LAN was built long ago to be a Lansing Airport... they didn't think that people from other areas of the state would use it. Back then Battle Creek and Jackson had commercial service too.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
Yeah and in Jackson, Michigan about 45 min south of Lansing, they have advertisement to "Fly Delta out of the Capital City!". Talk about poor advertisement for your single flight.

I saw that sign in Battle Creek too a couple weeks ago and was wondering about that.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
This might not be a good example but U of M in Ann Arbor does not have flight service eather out of there. Mainly to DTW being only 30 to 40 min outside of the city. But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

DTW is more like 15 minutes away, besides ARB has what? a 3000 foot runway? and YIP doesn't have any passenger facilities anymore. DTW is closer to U of M, than most other Detroit area communities.

Like I mentioned, college students want to fly where it is cheapest. Most did that while attending Embry Riddle like I did. Riddle is right on Daytona Beach Airport property and has direct flights to ATL, EWR and IAD, as well as seasonal direct to CLE and ORD. However for me to get to DTW from DAB it would cost me $500 round trip and I would have to connect at one of the above mentioned airports. Instead I would drive an hour to MCO, where I now have a choice of FOUR direct flights to DTW (WN, NK, FL and NW). More often than not I can get a round trip ticket for $200.

I assume LAN is similar in that case, with flights being far more expensive with connections.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
It is not a far trip to drive to MDW to fly with WN to possibly your non stop destination.

Ummm... you are talking college students right? How many of them have their own cars at school? How many of them can get their friends who have a car to drive them to Inner city Chicago? That is a 4 hour drive to MDW at the least.

It would make more sense to fly WN from DTW-MDW and connect.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 13):
Although LAN does occassionally grab people from the Grand Rapids area. My uncle lives in Rockford MI, which is 10 miles north of Grand Rapids up 131. He used LAN to fly Allegiant to LAS.

Actually 2 of the biggest travel agency producers for G4 are both in GRR and that is also where there customers are. So yes LAN does draw from GRR.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:50 am

To add to LAN misery, there is bus service starting from MSU and DTW with I think the bus company is Indian Trails(Michigan folks know they have state-of-the-art equipment). LAN airport board isn't too happy about that.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
there is bus service starting

Its called Michigan Flyer

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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
Ummm... you are talking college students right? How many of them have their own cars at school? How many of them can get their friends who have a car to drive them to Inner city Chicago? That is a 4 hour drive to MDW at the least.

Yes I am college students. A lot actually do have their own cars at school. And a lot of friends are actually willing to drive lets say a full car load of people to MDW for a gas cost of course. People are generous you know. Good hearts are out there. If you fly out of DTW you only have a few WN flights to choose from.

Do you think that when ATA moved out of LAN that it made a bigger impact on the travel there? If they still fly there then correct me.

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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
Do you think that when ATA moved out of LAN that it made a bigger impact on the travel there? If they still fly there then correct me.

It did impact fares....The LAN-MDW fare RT was around 120-140 bucks without Sat nite stay...Check it now with NW and check the LAN-ORD with UAEX...
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 15):
But a college really isnt going to make a difference for the flights.

are u kiddin me????? i know us college students have tonns of breaks (Espically from sept - jan) where the only sensible way to get home (for such a short time) is flying.......

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
To add to LAN misery, there is bus service starting from MSU and DTW

im not surprised here are lafayette we have service to ind every 2 hrs. 365 days a year..
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Detroitflyer (Reply 22):
are u kiddin me????? i know us college students have tonns of breaks (Espically from sept - jan) where the only sensible way to get home (for such a short time) is flying.......

Oh I am a college student as well from Michigan and have many breaks but just because there is a college in the town does not mean they will have good air service. This is what I was trying to make my point at. Sorry if it came off differently.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:22 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 3):
DL is down to one RT to ATL a day from LAN and Northwest now has six to DTW. Not too long ago, it was eight.

The money ran low for DL, so they dropped a flight.


Bob Selig and Nicole Noll are very sharp and prepared to court an airline.
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 24):

I know...I did a little homework on my own.
The LAN airport board isn't as strong as it was four or five years ago.
My comeback to your statement is if Bob and Nicolle are "prepared" to court an airline, what have they been doing the past three years?
USAIRWAYS and CO-CONNect have checked out. ATA Express i.e. Chicago Express left and concentrated on FNT and GRR before they closed up shop.
Allegiant is nice but the flights are not daily because Allegiant lacks the equipment for daily service. NW was 9 trips a day but now its seven. The afternoon MSP and the Washington trips are gone. Your available seats out of LAN has dropped. BUT it may be seasonal and the flights with bigger equipment may be back in June. I still think DL is the key but they have not come up the plate and offered real service like at least two trips to ATL plus four to CVG.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:44 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 25):
Allegiant is nice but the flights are not daily because Allegiant lacks the equipment for daily service.

It is not an equipment problem but rather a demand problem. Not enough travellers to Allegiant destinations from LAN to justify going daily on the routes.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 26):
Allegiant destinations from LAN

Just so everyone knows, G4 started LAN-PIE service today
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
And a lot of friends are actually willing to drive lets say a full car load of people to MDW for a gas cost of course. People are generous you know. Good hearts are out there. If you fly out of DTW you only have a few WN flights to choose from.

I guess if the person driving is flying out too, otherwise I can't see someone driving 4+ hours there and 4+ hours back to Lansing.

But then again, wouldn't it make more sense to drive 1 hour to DTW or FNT and catch an LCC there? I would rather fly WN out of DTW to BWI, BNA, STL or MDW and make my connection at one of those airports than drive 4 hours to MDW in Chicago traffic for a non stop flight with probably not a whole lot difference in price.
 
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:44 pm

Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 24):
Bob Selig and Nicole Noll are very sharp and prepared to court an airline

Any Idea which one? Maybe a US Airways or on a slim-to-none B6 type w/ E-190 sized planes?
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:22 pm

The problem with GRR is the rent for terminal, counter, operations, and gate space is outragious. I believe B6 was primed to start service to GRR (we even signed a gound contract) but when the company was handed the leasing rates we said "thanks but no thanks." There is no reason GRR should be so expensive, but it is. GRR is the only major airport in Michigan that is without a low cost carrier LAN has G4, DTW has NK/WN/FL, and FNT has FL.
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:52 pm

I completely agree with WMUPilot, GRR needs to drop the costs and get an LCC in there. How about Southwest? they could clean up especially the Florida runs during winter and also by connecting to their ever-growing MDW ops. As for LAN, it's just too small with DTW so close (I often go in/out of DTW on my trips to GRR as the price can be that much lower).
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting Jkarp2112 (Reply 31):
How about Southwest? they could clean up especially the Florida runs during winter and also by connecting to their ever-growing MDW ops.

Never would happen. I used to ask about the same thing when I worked at DAB as to why Southwest doesn't go there.

Southwest when they build up somewhere, they want guaranteed full loads to several destinations. Just having people fly to MDW for connections and seasonal Florida runs won't cut it with Southwest. GRR isn't a big enough market and it is too far from the other big markets that just won't drive to DTW or MDW instead.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:53 am

I think if any LCC starts service to GRR it will be AirTran. They've shown they can go head to head with NWA in FNT and DTW so they aren't afraid of the red tails....

I can see AirTran operating GRR-ATL and weekend service to perhaps MCO, TPA, and even RSW.

GRR first needs to offer some incentive to attract an LCC -i.e. lower fees.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 28):
I guess if the person driving is flying out too, otherwise I can't see someone driving 4+ hours there and 4+ hours back to Lansing.

No you are right, no friend would do it roundtrip. But besides freshman most at MSU have cars or have a really close friend who has one. The drive is closer just above 3 hours not 4. I've done it before and if you are a MI driver it's a 3 hour trip to the south part of Chicago (MDW). It isn't worth it for one person of course more if you have a group of people to split gas.


Also someone had mentioned breaks Sept-Dec? MSU only has labor day and Thanksgiving. No fall study break or anything like that. Labor day is the first weekend of the year and tends to be a home football game so no one goes home for that. Then Thanksgiving many will go home, but that's it for fall ''breaks''.
 
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Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:51 am

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 34):
No you are right, no friend would do it roundtrip. But besides freshman most at MSU have cars or have a really close friend who has one. The drive is closer just above 3 hours not 4. I've done it before and if you are a MI driver it's a 3 hour trip to the south part of Chicago (MDW). It isn't worth it for one person of course more if you have a group of people to split gas.

Still would make more sense just to drive to DTW though and fly to MDW and connect.

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 34):
Also someone had mentioned breaks Sept-Dec? MSU only has labor day and Thanksgiving. No fall study break or anything like that. Labor day is the first weekend of the year and tends to be a home football game so no one goes home for that. Then Thanksgiving many will go home, but that's it for fall ''breaks''.

The way MSU been playing the last few years it is worth it to go home instead. Compared to U of M though, doesn't MSU have a higher proportion of Michigan residents to out of state/country people?
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:06 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):
Compared to U of M though, doesn't MSU have a higher proportion of Michigan residents to out of state/country people?

I was able to come up with these facts:
MSU:
In State-37,266
Out of State-4,621
Other Countries-3,597
TOTAL-45,520

U of M:
In State-26683
Out of State/Country-13342
TOTAL-40025


So MSU % in state is 81%
vs.
U of M % in state is 66%


However this includes both schools Grad student population which Umich has 14000 vs. MSU's 5000. So i'm sure grad students don't go home as much due to jobs and such. So I'm sure it might balance out.

source: msu.edu & umich.edu
 
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 36):
I was able to come up with these facts:
MSU:
In State-37,266
Out of State-4,621
Other Countries-3,597
TOTAL-45,520

U of M:
In State-26683
Out of State/Country-13342
TOTAL-40025



So MSU % in state is 81%
vs.
U of M % in state is 66%

Yeah I am not sure that it is a big enough market for a significant increase in airlines at LAN.

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 36):
However this includes both schools Grad student population which Umich has 14000 vs. MSU's 5000. So i'm sure grad students don't go home as much due to jobs and such. So I'm sure it might balance out.

You also wonder how many of the students are just from neighboring states where it isn't even worth it to fly: Indiana, Ohio, Illinois or Wisconsin (you can take an autoferry at Ludington Mich across Lake Michigan).
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:48 am

So what do you think the airlines they are going to court? My thoughts are:

1. Continental (CLE)
2. US Airways (CLT)
3. Frontier (DEN) -- Once they get FrontierExpress operating

Also, courted current tennant UAL to start service to Washington DC.

Just my .02

I think also that they need to invest in upgrading the passenger terminal. It looks really outdated. I wouldn't be suprised if they tried to add on a gate or 2 to accommodate new airlines. NW has 3 which is the most of all the current carriers. DL/G4/UAL(?) all have one.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:04 am

I was poking around the net and really got to wonder if US Airways could start service to the tune of possibly 2/day to CLT and 1/day to PHL?

Any thoughts?
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:26 am

If US couldn't hold any flights in GRR I don't see them starting LAN.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:29 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 37):
You also wonder how many of the students are just from neighboring states where it isn't even worth it to fly: Indiana, Ohio, Illinois or Wisconsin.

Of the 4621 out of state at MSU 1,717 are from the Great Lakes.
907 Mid Atlantic, 218 New England, 266 Plains, 583 South East, 325 South West, 142 Rocky Mountains, 463 Far West.

KAZAKHSTAN has 29 ... just a funny side note.

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But still 4000 students isn't going to make any difference. LAN isn't any different from any other small city market and only time will tell.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 39):
I was poking around the net and really got to wonder if US Airways could start service to the tune of possibly 2/day to CLT and 1/day to PHL?

What is the market to fly 2/day to CLT or 1 a day to PHL?

We couldn't keep flights between DAB and CLT, after US Airways Express pulled out in the 1990s. It would make more sense between DAB and CLT. DAB has a bigger market, would have business travelers since NASCAR's HQ is based in Daytona and most of the teams are based in Charlotte, and on top of that there are more connections northward from people travelling from DAB, then there would be going south from LAN.

I could see if PIT still had a hub, but the other US hubs are out of the way, and Allegiant already has the LAN-LAS pair.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:50 am

Maybe a 1 time day to PHL and CLT, not overload, but it gives more options to LAN travellers
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:24 pm

If LAN wants new service from a mainline carrier or a large LCC, they'll have to "pay" for it like they did for DL with LAN-ATL service...... a financial guarantee.
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Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:18 pm

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 44):
If LAN wants new service from a mainline carrier or a large LCC, they'll have to "pay" for it like they did for DL with LAN-ATL service...... a financial guarantee.

That is what DAB to get Continental back and to attract United Express.

Not sure what the policy with Continental was, but United Express at DAB get their landing fees waived for two years, free gate and counter rental, and passengers didn't have to pay for parking for 6 months
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:24 am

Thank you all for your input, it was very insightful
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:01 am

Myself I do not see CO starting up service from LAN anytime soon as they can and do code share with both DL and NW on the flights out of LAN.
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 47):
Myself I do not see CO starting up service from LAN anytime soon as they can and do code share with both DL and NW on the flights out of LAN.

If they did it would only be a Beech 1900 on Continental Connection to CLE, but still it would be easier to route the passengers on a DC-9 to NW, give it a CO Code Share and send them to CLE from there or just straight Northwest.
 
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RE: Capital City Airport (LAN) Looks To Boost Numbers

Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 38):
So what do you think the airlines they are going to court?

Why dont you go to the next airport board meeting and ask them? At the opening of every public meeting, they let the public come to the mike and comment or ask questions.
I think the next meeting is 4pm Jan 2nd but check their web site for the exact date.
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