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EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:42 am

Following posts on French aviation forums,EK have requested traffic-rights to Marseille and Toulouse.
The threads indicate the French aviation authority have approved the flights..
No official confirmation as of now nevertheless.
These would be the fourth destination after Paris ans Nice.
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:49 am

I am sure they will be operated with A332s, since they are thin routes!

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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
I am sure they will be operated with A332s, since they are thin routes!

So is NCE, but they operate a 777-300 ! Poor thing can't take off fully loaded from NCE, they have to stop at FCO on the way to/from DXB. I have no idea how EK fill the aircraft, it has pretty limited connections in DXB and the fares are always astronomical. I suspect they do a bundle on first and business, but the back must be empty.
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:03 am

They have asked the Nice airport authorities to install jetways to receive their A380s !!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
I have no idea how EK fill the aircraft, it has pretty limited connections in DXB and the fares are always astronomical.

Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there  duck 
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:44 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 3):
They have asked the Nice airport authorities to install jetways to receive their A380s !!!!!!!!!!!

No way..you have got to be serious? Does EK really want to fly the A380 there?
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:46 am

Oh man I hope they do go into Toulouse!! I travel there about once every two years from New Zealand and would LOVE not having to transfer at Paris (usually between airports and airlines).

Let me see, AKL-SYD-DXB-TLS, or maybe AKL-MEL-DXB-TLS. Sounds good to me - a trip to Europe and an Australian stopover for a few days. Perfect  Smile
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:10 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there

EK has excellent connections to NCE via DXB both outbound and inbound from PEK/PVG/KIX/HKG/KHI/BOM/DEL/SYD/MEL/AKL and MNL. They have also good outbound connections to KUL/SIN/BKK via DXB.

So I dont know how u can say that EK has poor connections for NCE pax flying east of Dubai???!!!
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:49 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
So I dont know how u can say that EK has poor connections for NCE pax flying east of Dubai???!!!

No, I think he means the timings of the flights in terms of connecting.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 4):
Yes, flying EK to DXB is poor in terms of connections as they don't fly East at all from there



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
EK has excellent connections to NCE via DXB



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 8):
No, I think he means the timings of the flights in terms of connecting

EK's NCE flights are scheduled like the chunk of the airline's Europe flights, i.e. departing from DXB in the 7-9am outbound longhaul bank, which perfectly connects to EK's overnight longhaul inbound bank at 5am. Emirates' NCE-DXB flights arrive back at the DXB hub in the midnight inbound bank, again together with flights from all over Europe, providing optimal connectivity to the 2am outbound longhaul bank. Connectivity for NCE passengers, in other words, is as good as it gets. I'm with Behramjee here.
 
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:47 pm

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The airport management is currently studying the adaptations necessary to its infrastructures in order to welcome the giant of the airways. Several other companies are likely to use the A380 for important events such as the Film Festival or the Grand Prix or even certain professional trade shows taking place on the French Riviera. The platform is already capable of receiving large aircraft such as the 747 or the Antonov 124, used to transport the Alcatel Space satellites assembled in Cannes to Kourou in French Guyana. One of the new gangways installed two years ago is adapted for the A380 and the runways are already equipped.

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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:11 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
EK's NCE flights are scheduled like the chunk of the airline's Europe flights, i.e. departing from DXB in the 7-9am outbound longhaul bank, which perfectly connects to EK's overnight longhaul inbound bank at 5am. Emirates' NCE-DXB flights arrive back at the DXB hub in the midnight inbound bank, again together with flights from all over Europe, providing optimal connectivity to the 2am outbound longhaul bank. Connectivity for NCE passengers, in other words, is as good as it gets. I'm with Behramjee here.

Perhaps dig up that piece of work you did on the EK hubbing code... and provide the link.
I think that explains it more than adequately...
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:46 pm

I wonder why they don't consider Lyon as another french gateway. I know it only takes 2h by TGV to/from Paris. But a Lyon flight would probably also serve the Geneva region.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:40 pm

I wonder why they want to upgrade to a A380 on DXB-FCO-NCE, instead of flying two 332s or 772s, on DXB-FCO-DXB and DXB-NCE-DXB.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:24 pm

NCE is a flagship route as it is very popular with the Gulf Arabs.

I am a little surprised at the mention of TLS before LYS also. MRS may make sense as well. However what puzzles me is that these routes would come before serving cities such as AMS, BRU, etc.
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Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:39 pm

Nice would obviously also be gateway to the rich Monaco hence why they'd want a good product out there in that market.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:15 am

I would hardly say NCE is a 'thin route'. Thinner compared to Paris perhaps, but not as 'thin' as Marseille and Toulouse.

Im suprised EK havn't requested traffic-rights to Lyon, before Marseille and Toulouse.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Aerokiwi (Reply 6):
Oh man I hope they do go into Toulouse!!

With the number of deliveries they have coming, and the number of times the A380 will have to go back to get fixed, they might as well make it a revenue station .

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 16):
but not as 'thin' as Marseille and Toulouse.

I believe there is a big Arab population in Marseille and to a lesser extent in Toulouse. Whether they have the disposable income to travel in large enough numbers to fill a plane more than once a week, I don't know. Also I would imagine most of them would be more likely to travel to North Africa than the Middle East and beyond.

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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:40 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 17):
believe there is a big Arab population in Marseille and to a lesser extent in Toulouse. Whether they have the disposable income to travel in large enough numbers to fill a plane more than once a week, I don't know. Also I would imagine most of them would be more likely to travel to North Africa than the Middle East and beyond.

As you said, the "Arab" population in Marseille area comes mostly from North Africa. I don't think there are a lot of people from the Gulf.
These new EK routes also surprise me, as well as the A380 in NCE. But, anyway, this is good news !
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:51 pm

The A380 to Nice is probably to serve the high-rollers and their bags of money bound for Monte Carlo.

Really, I don't know, but if it's true, Nice is one destination I have never imagined a 380 would go....but a nice surprise and change from the usual suspects we keep hearing about *possible* future destinations of the A380 such as NRT, LHR, FRA, CDG, YUL, DXB, SYD, etc.
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:14 pm

NCE is more a F/J class route than Y. A lot of "well-heeled" people in the Arabic island go there for shopping and so on...
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:27 pm

I'd be shocked to see TLS or MRS before LYS or GVA (technically a french airport too!). As was previously stated, Marseille has a sizeable Arab population, but they're almost entirely from the Maghreb. Also, Marseille isn't exactly renowned as a 'top-end' destination, nor are the inhabitants of Marseille particularly wealthy. It doesnt seem to make much sense for EK to serve Marseille, nor TLS. I dont know what in particular would attract EK to Toulouse, especially when far more economically viable destinations such as GVA and LYS are not yet served. Especially GVA, its served by all major Arab players except for the biggest of them all! Quite peculiar.
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 19):
Really, I don't know, but if it's true, Nice is one destination I have never imagined a 380 would go....but a nice surprise and change from the usual suspects

Absolutely. But if you think about the number of A380 ordered by EK, it's logical to see new destinations served with it in addition to the "usual suspects" as you call them  biggrin 
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 21):
Also, Marseille isn't exactly renowned as a 'top-end' destination, nor are the inhabitants of Marseille particularly wealthy. It doesnt seem to make much sense for EK to serve Marseille, nor TLS. I dont know what in particular would attract EK to Toulouse, especially when far more economically viable destinations such as GVA and LYS are not yet serv

While I tend to agree that the population in Marseill does not seem particularly wealthy,the Hinterland of Marseille ( Aix en Provence,Cassis,Toulon) are quite wealthy....
ALso TLS sees a quite large amount of riches that travel -so the destinations are not as far-fetched as it seems.
That does not mean EK will not target GVA ,AMS or BRU -but the thread was about France anyhow...
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:18 pm

EK is going to announce officially VCE-DXB, on Dec 19. Who knows, maybe there will be other cities to Europe announced on the same date.



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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
Perhaps dig up that piece of work you did on the EK hubbing code... and provide the link.
I think that explains it more than adequately...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2963292
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:23 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 24):
EK is going to announce officially VCE-DXB, on Dec 19. Who knows, maybe there will be other cities to Europe announced on the same date.

Could NCL be one as rumoured?  scratchchin 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting Joost (Reply 13):
I wonder why they want to upgrade to a A380 on DXB-FCO-NCE, instead of flying two 332s or 772s, on DXB-FCO-DXB and DXB-NCE-DXB.



Quoting Joost (Reply 13):
I wonder why they want to upgrade to a A380 on DXB-FCO-NCE, instead of flying two 332s or 772s, on DXB-FCO-DXB and DXB-NCE-DXB.

They have never said they' ll operate A380 throughout the year but they'll definitely operate it during May (Cannes Film Festival & Monaco Grand Prix), and in the summer months (July, August). Also - they use this route a lot for freight traffic. Although there's not much of that in Nice, they are among the top 3 freight operators.

Air France has also said they'll use the A380 on special occasions, especially Monaco Grand Prix week-end, where they often have 2 B744s rotating on the sunday afternoon & monday morning, and still there's no spare capacity.
You have to understand that this is the busiest week-end of the year for them and has to operate like clockwork otherwise the whole system collapses.

They've also announced that NCE will be a diversion airport for them for that type in case ORY and CDG are closed.

A full review of the airport facilities has already been undertaken and only minor modifications are required. Adding 2m either side of a couple of taxiways, modification of a couple of gates, nothing major. The report from DGAC is somewhere on the Internet. The work preparing NCE for the A380 has already started.
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:48 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
mirates has announced its intention to land the A380 which will fly Nice-Rome-Dubaï at Nice Airport.

Is Nice-Rome the shortest scheduled segment on an A380 so far?
 
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RE: EK Are Eying More French Destinations...

Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 5):
No way..you have got to be serious? Does EK really want to fly the A380 there?

It would be wild if EK had one or more A380s in F/J only configs for routes such as this. It may even be viable!

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Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 29):
It would be wild if EK had one or more A380s in F/J only configs for routes such as this. It may even be viable!

Considering they fly the 773 there, it just might be possible..would certainly be cool to see..but I'm not so sure about the runway lenghts if they go for a F/J only plane..and I would imagine they would increase the frequency from 3x/weekly first...
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