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Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:55 am

I think LHR-HKG throguht Pacific Ocean which the B772LR flew. What do you think ?
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:59 am

Hypothetical city pairings based on A/B statistics or actual legs flown?

SIN-EWR is the longest scheduled flight now.

Based on projected milage from A/B...pick two cities at the farthest reaches.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:28 pm

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
I think LHR-HKG throguht Pacific Ocean which the B772LR flew

Reverse that city pair IIRC. HKG-LHR via the Pacific, Seattle, LAX, NYC, the Atlantic, then London.

Quoting B773ER (Thread starter):
What do you think ?

I think the longest route a plane can fly is around 10000 miles in still air, if you have a 777LR with all the extra tanks you can get. Pretty much means you can almost fly any city pair in the world, but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.
Ultra long haul routes are being investigated. SIN-EWR is the longest for now, and time will tell just how far a plane can fly, and be filled with pax who want to be on a plane that long.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:41 pm

The longest potential routes that are possible are not likely because even the A346 and 772LR cannot operate westbound at MTOW. The holy grail of long routes is probably SYD-LHR. If you can do that at MTOW then you have really got something.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:10 pm

the longest route a plane can fly is all the way around...
It's been done, more than once.

Of course you could change your routing to make such a flight as long as possible, but I assume you mean direct routing.

The longest flight with a commercial aircraft was from San Francisco to New York via Hawaii, Ceylon, Pakistan, Brazil, and the Bahamas.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:30 pm

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
I think the longest route a plane can fly is around 10000 miles in still air, if you have a 777LR with all the extra tanks you can get. Pretty much means you can almost fly any city pair in the world, but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.
Ultra long haul routes are being investigated. SIN-EWR is the longest for now, and time will tell just how far a plane can fly, and be filled with pax who want to be on a plane that long.

I often marvel at what is really on the other side of the planet from SLC and what would be the shortest most direct route possible. The Boeing 772LR has a factory specified range of 9,420 nautical miles. Only the shaded part of the map isn't reachable with the range of the "World-liner";
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Of course there are a number of other technical characteristics that must be factored into determining what the true maximum range of an airliner really is such as weight at take-off, weather, upper level winds etc...
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:51 pm

The longest any plane would need to fly is 12,430 miles, or one half of the Earth's circumference, hypothetically. Obviously 12,430 miles going west is a lot harder than 12,430 miles going east. But that should give you a rough answer to your question.
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:37 pm

How bout CO 777 EWR-HKG...16 hours.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:46 pm

Nearly two years ago (!) we had this interesting discussion on a very similar topic.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1974706
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

the longest feasible i've found is EZE-PVG at just over 12,000. My poor friend is from BsAs and works in Shanghai, home ain't exactly around the corner...
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:25 pm

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 3):
The holy grail of long routes is probably SYD-LHR.

That's the toughest one because of the winds. AKL-LHR is a lot longer but it's easier because it would be flown east-bound in both directions. GRU-NRT is also very long. These flights will become possible with the A350R and ER versions of the B787.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:08 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):
The longest any plane would need to fly is 12,430 miles, or one half of the Earth's circumference, hypothetically. Obviously 12,430 miles going west is a lot harder than 12,430 miles going east. But that should give you a rough answer to your question.
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

Don't forget that in real life, few flights can follow true great circle routes due to ATC requirements, ETOPS restrictions, the need to avoid overflying restricted areas, areas reserved for military purposes, war zones etc etc. In many cases that adds significantly to distance travelled. And in some cases, certain airlines have to take very devious routings to avoid entire countries/regions, e.g. El Al on services between TLV and BKK where they can't overfly Arab countries that lie on a great circle route. They thus fly south over the Red Sea until clear of the Arabian peninsula and then turn east over the Indian Ocean. That adds about 2 hours to LY's flying time on that route vs. the most direct routing. And before the end of apartheid in South Africa, SAA was prohibited from overflying most countries in Africa and thus had to take a much longer routing than other airlines to/from Europe.

And the shortest routes are often not the fastest due to prevailing winds. Flights often use very different routings in each direction between the same points. e.g. Nonstop flights between the east coast of North America and points such as HKG/SIN etc. normally use the traditional transpacific routing over Japan and Alaska eastbound to benefit from the usually very strong westerly winds, although that route is roughly 10% longer than a true great circle route. In the westbound direction they generally take a much more northerly routing, frequently almost due north over the North Pole and across Russia and China, not even coming anywhere near the Pacific Ocean. That is much closer to the shortest great circle route and headwinds are normally less in the Polar regions.

I would guess that only a tiny percentage of flights every day operate on a true great circle routing.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:53 pm

i think
AKL-JFK through Europe should be on the list
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:54 am

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=m...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

that's the best I can find
they are all pretty close to the 'magic' 12430nm

interesting to see is that the 3 routes pick completely different directions

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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:56 am

The trouble with questions like this is that the poster seldom makes the question specific enough to avoid wildly different answers. My assumption would be that he means what is the longest potential direct distance between 2 cities. No restrictions for range of aircraft or possible no-fly zones.

If that is the case I would think that SNA350's answers using AKL are the ones to beat.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.

Are you sure?  eyepopping 
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting SNA350 (Reply 13):
interesting to see is that the 3 routes pick completely different directions.

It's funny to think that two places on the opposite sides of the world are essentially the same distance in any direction. Means you could always take advantage of the wind like Zvedza points out.

[Edited 2006-12-15 21:07:47]
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:14 am

The longest route is GRU-NRT at 11,489 miles.
AKL-LHR is 11,409 miles.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting Naritaflyer (Reply 17):

I'd like to edit or delete my previous post but I don't know how to do it.
I am sorry for the erroneous information I posted.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 12):

CGN-DUS if you fly once around the world Smile I guess B773ER meant a flight that could really exist if an airliner has the range. I think no airline would fly from HKG to LHR over USA. Its just a useless spending of kerosin. Pax wont like it.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable

Seems like I was pricing that itinerary just last week...... Smile
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:37 am

I have three, based strictly on distance, not on winds, restrictions, etc.

They are:

1. Singapore-Quito, Ecuador

2. Perth - New York

3. Madrid - Wellington, NZ

Someone can check me on this, but all of these should be over 12000 statue miles, with #3 being the longest if I remember right.

Btw, the requirement was that the cities involved be big enough to land/take off a heavy. I think all of these meet that requirement, but I'm not positive about Quito and Wellington.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:27 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 15):
Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 2):
but the demand to fly from Phoenix, AZ to Windhoek, Namibia is questionable.

Hahha, the bigger challenge is finding 200 other people in PHX to take that trip with you.....
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:50 am

london to capetown????

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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:02 am

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 14):
My assumption would be that he means what is the longest potential direct distance between 2 cities. No restrictions for range of aircraft or possible no-fly zones.

Don't forget no inflight-refueling. Otherwise, that plane would be up there forever almost!
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:26 am

"Longest route a plane can fly?" Depends where you start from. And do you mean technically, or realistically? This question is pretty easily solved using Karl Swart's inimitable Great Circle Mapper, and also takes in an article I wrote last year:

The world's longest flights, present and future:
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2005/11/18/askthepilot162/

Great Cirlce Mapper:
http://gc.kls2.com/
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:30 am

"Longest route a plane can fly?" Do you mean technically, or realistically? Technically, it's a great question. You'd need to pinpoint the one airport that is farthest from another.

Either way, if you have the time, the question can be solved using Karl Swart's inimitable "Great Circle Mapper."

It also takes in this article from ast year:

The world's longest flights, present and future:
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2005/11/18/askthepilot162/

Great Circle Mapper:
http://gc.kls2.com/

- PS
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 19):
CGN-DUS if you fly once around the world Smile

Reminds me of that old German comedy skit when some customer calls the LH call center and asks for a CGN-DUS flight ...

Lufthansa: "We don don't fly from Cologne to Dusseldorf!" Caller: Why do you dislike me?" ... Simply hilarious!
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:10 pm

I think I have found the longest possible route between 2 airports: From SYX (Sanya, Hainan Island, China) to ARI (Arica, Chile). That's 12430mi, or 20004km !
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:16 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 6):
The longest feasible route I came up with is probably LHR-AKL at 11,404 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper.

The longest routes that would actually be able to support themselves financially are NRT-GRU and NRT-GIG at 9984 and 10004nm respectively.

Quoting CO767 (Reply 7):
How bout CO 777 EWR-HKG...16 hours.

There are already longer routes than that.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
he longest routes that would actually be able to support themselves financially are NRT-GRU and NRT-GIG at 9984 and 10004nm respectively.

I don't know. I'm inclined to believe that an EZE-PVG routing would work depending on the economics of the plane. If not now, sometime in the future. Otherwise, NRT-GRU is a route that would certainly work immediately.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:10 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 28):
From SYX (Sanya, Hainan Island, China) to ARI (Arica, Chile). That's 12430mi, or 20004km

The GC Mapper is a great tool, but the formulas it uses don't work for city-pairs this close to antipodal. Actual distance ARI to SYX would be a bit less than 20000 km.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 30):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):he longest routes that would actually be able to support themselves financially are NRT-GRU and NRT-GIG at 9984 and 10004nm respectively.I don't know. I'm inclined to believe that an EZE-PVG routing would work depending on the economics of the plane. If not now, sometime in the future. Otherwise, NRT-GRU is a route that would certainly work immediately.

Yes but AKL-LHR is already in existance 11409nm and it is economic so much its gone twice daily..
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting Jamincan (Reply 30):
I'm inclined to believe that an EZE-PVG routing would work depending on the economics of the plane.

EZE-PVG wouldn't have the kind of yield that could support an ultra-long haul.

Quoting Nzrich (Reply 32):
Yes but AKL-LHR is already in existance 11409nm and it is economic so much its gone twice daily..

Incorrect. AKL-LHR is 9910nm. You were using statute miles.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:09 am

The world's longest non-stop fully commercial flight was in March 2006 when BA 772 G-YMMO carried British Prime Minister Tony Blair from BRU after an EU meeting to MEL where he took part in the closing ceremony for the Commonwealth Games. However there were only 60 passewngers aboard the aircraft.
 
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:53 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 33):
Quoting Nzrich (Reply 32):Yes but AKL-LHR is already in existance 11409nm and it is economic so much its gone twice daily..
Incorrect. AKL-LHR is 9910nm. You were using statute miles.

ok thanks i was copying someone elses post thanks for the correction
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:39 pm

I'd have to agree with Jamincan, EZE-PVG would indeed be economically viable due to recent economic agreements/significant number of mutual business interests in both Argentina and China (this is all depending on the aircraft of course), though, you're right to say the yields would not be on par with those of NRT-GRU, but is PVG-EZE feasible? you betcha, two of the top fifteen largest cities in the world, both (for global standards) are relatively wealthy..PVG-EZE may not have the cultural links that NRT-GRU does, but that doesnt mean it couldnt work!
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:07 am

As has been mentioned already, the longest route in the world currently scheduled and flown is SQ's 15,345km or 9,535mile SIN-EWR route.



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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:34 am

Quantas had a flight LHR-Sydney which they made a couple of flights before it was cancealed.
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RE: Longest Route In The World A Plane Can Fly?

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Warren747sp (Reply 38):
Quantas had a flight LHR-Sydney which they made a couple of flights before it was cancealed.

"Quantas" (no comment).

What's this talk of LHR-SYD? QF fly this route 5 or 6 times daily! If you mean non-stop, this was done once for publicity at the launch of the 747-400 in 1989 in just of 20hrs with 5 crew, no passengers and special fuel.
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