zippyjet
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Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:52 pm

Happy Global Warming Christmas, Chanakuah, New Years, Quanza:
If feels anything but here in the Eastern USA. With temperatures in the 60s, we've been getting fog, fog and more fog causing a major air traffic cluster
f**k up and down the coast. I remember as a kid seeing a news story on TV that CDG had jet engines built into the ground around their ramp areas and when they got hit with the fog, they fired them up burning off the fog.
Do they still use this? And, how is the temperature around the airport affected? How long do they have to run those engines on average to burn off
a moderate fog?
And, hve weather delays increased due to the overall climatic rise in temperatures worldwide?
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nkops
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:02 pm

Yea... here is my wx at work this morning

KACY 150935Z 16003KT 1/8SM FG BKN001 OVC006 08/07 A2986 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 T00780072


not too good.... thank goodness everything made it in last nite.

Fog like this all over the east coast makes it hard to find a takeoff alternate!!

[Edited 2006-12-15 11:03:46]
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KPDX
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:26 pm

Doesnt look anything like Global Warming here! Big grin Were having like heavy rain and wind, oh well, how surprising is that? Its Oregon afterall.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:46 pm

Y'all should've heard the wind all night up here in the Everett, WA area!!

This was the first time I've heard the wind howl before it actually hit our house.
 
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:46 pm

At SYD the past few days it has been rain, storm and low cloud - welcome to my first summer working in the southern hemisphere. The storm on Monday pm (local) (10/12/06) made for a fun landing and great views from up front
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:56 pm

Yeah tons of fog here. Bad for ATC...good for my garlic that I planted a couple months ago!!
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UpperDeck79
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:27 am

What, are you blaming that we sent you the fog from HEL?
AY did fly to JFK yesterday but I don't think that was its cargo  biggrin 
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AirEMS
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:56 am

Fog from Hell eh? I always thought Hell was very hot and very low humidity and therefore not the best climate for fog?  duck 

Once in a while here in DEN we can get bad fog but it usually doesn't last very long...... Our craptacular weather usually involves high winds blizzards and hot temperatures at altitude


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LXA340
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:33 am

I flew out of ZRH this morning and there was heavy fog around the airport with basically no visibility. This occurs quite often in winter as the airport is situated in some kind of valley and the fpg really gets stuck there. My flight was delayed over an hour as connecting passengers arrived late caused trhough the decrease in capacity in such conditions for landing aircraft where double as much distance needs to be keped between planes.
 
S5FA170
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:52 am

Yesterday, Atlanta was all backed up because of 0 visibility caused by fog in the morning. I went into ATL twice yesterday - delayed both times. We even got put in a hold over Ohio minutes after takeoff from Columbus because of the traffic!

CLT was also a mess yesterday from what I could tell - we cancelled an ATL-CLT roundtrip because of weather.

-Tony
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EFHK
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 6):
What, are you blaming that we sent you the fog from HEL?

Oh please, this is getting old, and I don't even like it!  Angry  Wink
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Kuna
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:05 am

A flight we sent out yesterday (12/14/06) was diverted to Little Rock, due to Memphis having a 100 ft ceiling. The plane was scheduled to land in MEM at 0747CST but didn't reach MEM until 1007CST.
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wdleiser
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:30 am

It has been foggy as hell here in Houston too. My flight into IAH from PHX last night barely made it in due to the minimums last night. Very fun approach at night though.
 
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:43 am

Our early morning flights always have a thick layer of fog to get over at SBA,
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nworlnsbearcub
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:49 am

The fog in Austin was mind-blowing this morning. Early am, at around 430, things went from completely normal to virtually no visibility! It was freakish, but ...honestly, kinda lovely!

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S5FA170
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:54 am

Quoting Nworlnsbearcub (Reply 14):
The fog in Austin was mind-blowing this morning. Early am, at around 430, things went from completely normal to virtually no visibility! It was freakish, but ...honestly, kinda lovely!

Do you work at the airport? I overnighted in Austin last night and worked a 7am flight out of AUS this morning. The fog was pretty thick, even at 7am! I get back into AUS 1pm tomorrow and out again the next morning. Great airport and even better city!

-Tony
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nworlnsbearcub
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:01 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 15):
Do you work at the airport? I overnighted in Austin last night and worked a 7am flight out of AUS this morning. The fog was pretty thick, even at 7am! I get back into AUS 1pm tomorrow and out again the next morning. Great airport and even better city!

I don't work at the airport, but I agree 100% with your comments! Austin is amazing. And yes, the fog stayed around UNUSUALLY late!

Michael
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S5FA170
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:04 am

The First Officer and I were talking tonight about a report he just read in the paper - The 5 Drunkest Cities in America. Austin ranked #5 (behind Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Columbus and Boston) ... hello Sixth Street  Smile
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:06 am

We were completely socked in at DFW this morning as well. Humidity was around 98% overnight, and as soon as the sun started coming up - the visibility was gone. We were working on a 738 at a gate, and by the time we pushed, you could not see the tail from the nose.

Still got out ok though, and ON TIME!!!  bigthumbsup 

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nworlnsbearcub
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting S5FA170 (Reply 17):
he First Officer and I were talking tonight about a report he just read in the paper - The 5 Drunkest Cities in America. Austin ranked #5 (behind Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Columbus and Boston) ... hello Sixth Street  

Wow, and I'm from New Orleans... scary. Big grin

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VEEREF
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting Kuna (Reply 11):
A flight we sent out yesterday (12/14/06) was diverted to Little Rock, due to Memphis having a 100 ft ceiling. The plane was scheduled to land in MEM at 0747CST but didn't reach MEM until 1007CST.

Assuming you meant the visibility was also below mins? Destination wx is visibility driven.
Ceiling only comes into play for deriving alternate mins.

Exemtion 3585 must have paid fro itself the other day on the East Coast!

[Edited 2006-12-16 03:12:20]
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:43 pm

Yesterday, for us here in PVD, DCA had the worst weather. Don't get me wrong, all of our flights yesterday morning saw delays, PHL, CLT, PIT, etc...but DCA was horrible. The first outbound, overflew DCA and went straight down to FLL. And the first inbound DCA overflew DCA and came to PVD straight from MCO. Made me miss the days of our flights n/s pvd-fl...

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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):
Exemtion 3585 must have paid fro itself the other day on the East Coast!

..not to mention the heads-up stuff...  Wink
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avallillo
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:57 pm

The system you refer to in the original post was installed at both Orly and on the original runway at CDG, now known as 09R. It was called TurboClair, and you can still see the bunkers, on the right hand side of the runway, from about the beginning of the overrun to around 2000-3000 feet past the threshold, where the jet engines were installed below ground.

As far as I know, the system has not been active for some years, since it is more or less superfluous with CAT III autolands in use. It apparently was successful in temporarily burning a hole in fog, right over the approach end of the runway. Of course, I suspect that planes could not actually land while it was in operation.

The last time I used this runway for takeoff (09R), the bunkers were still there.
 
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Avallillo (Reply 23):
The system you refer to in the original post was installed at both Orly and on the original runway at CDG, now known as 09R. It was called TurboClair

Thanks for the information! I'm still curious, how high the air temperature rose during one of these fog buring cycles. And, I guess planes could not come and go.
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:47 pm

When I lived in England, I was once got into fog so thick I had to open the driver's door to see the paint stripe on the road in order to navigate at walking speed. I wouldn't want to fly in that!
 
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:33 pm

CDG is very often in a "complete" fog during winter mornings. I landed several times in these conditions and I'm always impressed. You see the ground only when the wheels touch the runway. And the fog can be really concentrated here. I mean, I work 5 minutes away by car from CDG and it's very frequent that we have no fog at the office and CDG is in the clouds !  cloudnine   cloudnine 
 
Tan Flyr
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:38 am

I was speaking with colleuges on the east coast Friday, your fog sounded like what we get here in the central valley of California during the winter, known as Tule Fog...visability can get down to25 feet in the worst of it.

FAT flyr can enlighten us some more on this also...but more times than I care to think over the last 20 years FAT has been socked in for days, ended up riding a bus for 5 hrs to LAX then re-scheduled..not fun.
 
Kuna
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting VEEREF (Reply 20):

Yes the visibility was below mins as well, but I do not remember what the visibility was at the time.
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RE: Fog From Hell!

Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:42 pm

I was on a 4 day trip with 20 total legs. I flew 13 of them and 14 of them actually operated. We operated our morning originator 6 hours late Thursday, and 3 hours late Friday.

Ugly days......