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AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:02 pm

Released just then via PRNewswire

AMSTERDAM, The Netherlands, Dec. 15 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AerCap Holdings N.V. ("AerCap," NYSE: AER) today announced that it has signed an agreement with Airbus for a firm order of 20 new Airbus A330-200 widebody aircraft.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061215/nyf036.html?.v=78

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:06 pm

G'day mate

Seems you have beaten me by a couple of minutes.

Good on ye

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:16 pm

That's a biggie, is this the LCC that JL mentioned were looking at A330s?
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:17 pm

No info given on delivery dates; I wonder if this means that airlines like BMI, Aer Lingus and Aeroflot, which had been looking for A330s for 2008 delivery, will now have to go through lessors like, well, AerCap?!

Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:21 pm

Well congratulations to Airbus on what has to be considered a a major deal for the A330 series.

I also believe that Aerocap is interested in the A332F. They have previously mentioned 30 frames at Farnborough. Hopefully that order is still on the table as soon as the A332F program is given to green light.

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
That's a biggie, is this the LCC that JL mentioned were looking at A330s?

AerCap is not a low cost airline but a lessor. Perhaps that low cost airline could lease these aircraft from them.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?

I doubt that these positions have ever been available. Airbus didn't take that order from the books and rumours have it that EK themself has found a taker for these.
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:30 pm

Could this be the much-hailed and long-awaited VS A332 order?
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:40 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 5):
AerCap is not a low cost airline but a lessor. Perhaps that low cost airline could lease these aircraft from them.

It may well be connected to AerCap's annonucement last month of setting up a Chinese leasing joint venture for the growing Far East markets.....
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
AerCap Holdings N.V. ("AerCap," NYSE: AER) today announced that it has signed an agreement with Airbus for a firm order of 20 new Airbus A330-200 widebody aircraft.

It is now confirmed by both AerCap and Airbus:
http://www.aercap.com/press/aercap%20a330%20order%20dec%2006.htm
The Airbus press release is not yet on their website.
What I find interesting is that neither AerCap nor Airbus indicate when these A330 will be delivered.
I have noticed that Airbus has started since some time to omit this information in their press releases.
In the light of the debate about what is a firm order, the language of the press release is also worth a thought: "an agreement for a firm order".
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 5):

AerCap is not a low cost airline but a lessor. Perhaps that low cost airline could lease these aircraft from them.

Right, thanks
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:50 pm

Quoting Breiz (Reply 8):
What I find interesting is that neither AerCap nor Airbus indicate when these A330 will be delivered.
I have noticed that Airbus has started since some time to omit this information in their press releases.
In the light of the debate about what is a firm order, the language of the press release is also worth a thought: "an agreement for a firm order".

don't some of the lessors order planes without clear delivery dates pending signing an actual lease eg ILFCs huge A330 order several years ago still leaves then with 2-3 dozen orders with no clear (at least to anyone outside ILFC and Airbus!) delivery dates.
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:03 pm

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Could this be the much-hailed and long-awaited VS A332 order?

Were they to order the A332? Would be phenomenal if they did..

..I've only been mentioning this for years..
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:54 pm

A very nice order. The 330 is having a great year. Congrats to both companies.
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:57 pm

I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:18 am

Congratulations to Airbus! This is a very nice order, and it shows the A330 is still a very attractive option for airlines.

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:04 am

Very interesting...

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 13):
I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.

A330 slots aren't that precious... yet. I'm not thinking the risk would be worth it. But they might know something I do not...

Now the question: which engines? I would assume Trents.  Sad

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:37 am

From the AB press realease:

"With close to 1,100 orders and 86 operators, the Airbus A330/A340/A350 Family is the world's most modern long-range family available today."

Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!

Your right, they are definitly not the same. Airbus are just plugging publicity for the new model. But then sometimes airbus refer to the family concept as being the enrire range.

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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:43 am

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!

It is. The A350 still covers the A340 side of the family. The -800 just about covers the A333 side of the family despite it's recent up sizing.
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:47 am

Well perhaps the A350 is the new model in this family. I guess that the whole airbus range is part of a family in a way, in that there is a coherrent system of type rating commality across the whole range. So perhaps the A350 can be refered to as being part of the family, but it is certinly a different model to the A330/340.
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
Well perhaps the A350 is the new model in this family. I guess that the whole airbus range is part of a family in a way, in that there is a coherrent system of type rating commality across the whole range. So perhaps the A350 can be refered to as being part of the family, but it is certinly a different model to the A330/340

When the A350 was based on the A300/310/330/340 fuse cross-section then they used to call it part of the family but I think it's been left in by mistake as the XWB is totally differant now!
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:55 pm

I think the A350XWB should not be considered to be part of the A330/340 family. Airbus put the old A350 together with them, but I think they'll change that.

Is there any way to find who will lease these 20 planes? I would think they will not go to just one single operator. Maybe Aercap doesn't even have a customer for them. Wouldn't be a big problem, considering that Austrian had 36 interested airlines for their (used) A332.
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:01 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 21):
Is there any way to find who will lease these 20 planes?

There will be plenty of interested parties! Its not exactly hard to find takers for A330s.
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:47 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 22):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 21):
Is there any way to find who will lease these 20 planes?

There will be plenty of interested parties! Its not exactly hard to find takers for A330s.

Sorry, bad English from my part. I wanted to ask whether there is a way to find out who will lease them, in the sense that we know which livery to expect. Of course, finding interested airlines will be very easy.
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:30 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
Does this now mean that all delivery positions left open as a result of the EK 346 cancellation are now taken?

Is there any connection between this order and the EK A346 cancellation.....in any way shape or form? Or will these 20 A330s be built in addition to the airframes that were intended for EK but will go to some other party (as A330s or A340s)?

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Could this be the much-hailed and long-awaited VS A332 order?

Probably not.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
From the AB press realease:

"With close to 1,100 orders and 86 operators, the Airbus A330/A340/A350 Family is the world's most modern long-range family available today."

Hmm that's silly the A350 definitely isn't in the family now it;s been supersized!

The new math, Airbus style.......this is why Airbus gets itself into trouble with some of its press releases, which in turn cause so much controversy here at a.net. Didnt we just have a thread with a zillion posts concerning how to count orders in the A330/340/340NG family? Airbus is stating that the A350XWB Mark 3 is a new airplane, wider fuselage, new wings, new engines, how is it part of the A330/340 family? Under this scheme, the A300/310 are part of the family too.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 20):
When the A350 was based on the A300/310/330/340 fuse cross-section then they used to call it part of the family but I think it's been left in by mistake as the XWB is totally differant now!

If the spin-doctors in Airbus's PR department made a mistake like this, they should be dismissed......I dont buy the ""I forgot"" arguement.

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 14):
Congratulations to Airbus! This is a very nice order, and it shows the A330 is still a very attractive option for airlines.



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 13):
I wonder if this is a "land grab" in that they've secured the rights to a good number of planes that a lot of people will be chasing - ensuring good leasing rates.

I agree on both counts - it is a nice order for Airbus, they need to keep pushing out A330s (and A320s) for a few more years while their successors are developed. I do think that these airplanes will be in high demand....there are many carriers who will need solutions while they are awaiting for their 787s and A350XWBs to be delivered.
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:52 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 24):
Is there any connection between this order and the EK A346 cancellation.....in any way shape or form? Or will these 20 A330s be built in addition to the airframes that were intended for EK but will go to some other party (as A330s or A340s)?

I've said it before and I'll say it again given some of those EK A346s were due for delivery in 07 unless A had already counted then as non existent a year ago the long lead items for those airframes must already be in the pipeline. The late 08 delivery slots perhaps could be converted to A330 even now but I doubt any others due for delivery earlier
 
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RE: AerCap Order 20 Airbus A330-200s

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 25):
I've said it before and I'll say it again given some of those EK A346s were due for delivery in 07 unless A had already counted then as non existent a year ago the long lead items for those airframes must already be in the pipeline. The late 08 delivery slots perhaps could be converted to A330 even now but I doubt any others due for delivery earlier

Exactly, and it was interesting that EK said another customer had taken the A346s and Airbus hasn't yet removed the order from their books. Some day we'll find out what's going on.
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