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Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:30 pm

What had started as a harmless event, ended up with United's N772UA taken out of service...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...s+Boeing+777+pilot+goes+sadly.html

A United Airlines Boeing 777-200 has been taken out of service after a wayward celebratory water cannon salute for a retiring pilot.

For reasons still to be explained, instead of water, the fire trucks blasted foam at the 777. Both of the aircraft’s PW4077 engines are now being examined.



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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:56 pm

What kind of damage can foam cause to engines? Is it an agressive liquid?
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:57 pm

Guess no more salutes  Sad



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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 2):
Guess no more salutes

I hope not. Hopefully they will just fire whoever made this expensive mistake.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:20 pm

A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:35 pm

What a dumb mistake.  banghead  Does anybody have any idea of how long this a/c is out of service and how much $$'s this will cost UA? I hope it's back in service in a day or two (which I suspect) and they bill the airport management for the costs. As suggested above, perhaps this will end the water salutes for retiring pilots at UA. With today's tight airline budgets and time problems, any little thing like this may have to end, especially if any unexpected costs may be incurred.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:36 pm

Yeah, and the article goes on:

The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

 Smile  duck 

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:44 pm

whoops a daisy! thats like mistaking a firework for a party popper and letting it off in someones face.  Wink

If it was his first day with the fire service the rest of the crews are never going to let him forget it! He'll probably get the nickname 'killer' or something.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:44 pm

N772UA? Isn't that the first 777 ever built? Jeez...nice job to the airport fire department...

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

Uh, huh..John Leahy was sriving the truck that shot the foam...I guess that Airbus has found a new way to stop 777s from flying!! Just kidding!!
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:46 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 8):
N772UA? Isn't that the first 777 ever built? Jeez...nice job to the airport fire department...

No, N772UA is number 5.


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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:47 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
No, N772UA is number 5.

Ahhh, I see, I see. Still, there's a big "mein bad" there.

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Reply 1):
What kind of damage can foam cause to engines? Is it an agressive liquid?

Nasty stuff yes - it is extremely unpleasant and most definitely NOT the type of thing you want in your engines.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:00 am

Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?  Wink
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:05 am

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?

LOL!!!! Quality!!! Big grin
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.

Chillax!  Silly the PW4077 is a great engine for UA because on the standard 777-200A's that do flights such as MUC-IAD FRA-IAD etc. and a maximum of SFO-NRT their MTOW is much lower anyways meaning the weights lifted are not requiring the same power as from the PW4090 like the 777-200ER's.

BTW PW4077 is a very light engine and has proven itself very good with UA.

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
Does anybody have any idea of how long this a/c is out of service and how much $$'s this will cost UA? I hope it's back in service in a day or two (which I suspect) and they bill the airport management for the costs.

There's no doubt that UAL will be sending someone else the bill for this snafu.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:43 am

Hahahah! That was a salute for the plane too then!  Big grin

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:58 am

In the words of one Homer J. Simpson


Doh!


I wonder if the Fire Department has to pay for the repair?

Will we start to see the Garden Hose or Squirt Gun salute?


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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:02 am

Accidents do happen, I guess the guys were over excited. Costly mistake, bet they won't do that again
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:07 am

Several years ago a similar event happened to a Delta 777 in Atlanta where the captain was retiring. As the aircraft taxied in, the fire trucks sprayed an arch of water over the airplane and the plane hit one the trucks with a wing tip.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Ser

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 18):
In the words of one Homer J. Simpson


Doh!


I wonder if the Fire Department has to pay for the repair?

Will we start to see the Garden Hose or Squirt Gun salute?

Personally, I'd love to see it done with squirt guns in the future. Too funny.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:19 am

I get a visual of "The Christmas Story" when Ralph was helping his dad change the tire....

Same thing when the guy hit the valve for the cannon...

"Ahhhhh..... Fuuuuuuuuudddddddgggggge."

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Has the IAD fire department been outsourced to Menzies?

 rotfl  Possibly the best asked question on A.net!!  rotfl 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:48 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

That's hilarious. Interesting to see what the driver will do when an LH 748 lands at IAD in a few years..lol
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:03 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 16):
There's no doubt that UAL will be sending someone else the bill for this snafu

I doubt it. An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad. If the taxpayer is required to pick up the tab, I am sure these type of salutes would be unfortunately stopped pretty fast.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 9):

Uh, huh..John Leahy was sriving the truck that shot the foam...I guess that Airbus has found a new way to stop 777s from flying!! Just kidding!!

His mission is to stop the 777 at any cost.... since he can't do it by outselling it, he has to sabotage them.... one at a time.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 23):
Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy, who specifically asked to drive the truck for the event, commented: "I don't know what happened. This morning was my first day and I clearly confused the "water" and "foam, warning: under no circumstances this should be on when saluting a plane; to active, press the button three times, hold it for 5 secs, and type your password in the adjacent keypad" switches. I do apologize.

rotfl rotfl rotfl

That's hilarious. Interesting to see what the driver will do when an LH 748 lands at IAD in a few years..lol

Probably drive the fire truck into it.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:09 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.

I think you are being insultive. The engine was the first engine of anywhere near the power in a commercial application. It was a revolutionary engine. It has since been surpased, but it is a lighter weight engine for lower weight applications.

Quoting Boeing777/747 (Reply 1):
What kind of damage can foam cause to engines? Is it an agressive liquid?

The purpose of the foam is to put out fires. If foam gets in to the compressor or worse the combustion chamber of the engine, it will stop the engine from working. It will not work until the foam is removed and inspected. The purpose of the foam is to stop fires and therefore it will stop an engine.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:16 am

Quoting 77411 (Reply 24):
An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad.

Unless they requested water and got foam. Then UA has a pretty good case.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:17 am

"According to Flight sister product ACAS, the aircraft was delivered new to United toward the end of 1994. No damage has been reported in the aircraft’s 11 years of service."

If it was delivered new at the end of '94 and it's nearly the end of '06 now I make that twelve years of service. Unless the story is a year old...
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Ser

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:24 am

Quoting LHRspotter (Reply 28):
If it was delivered new at the end of '94 and it's nearly the end of '06 now I make that twelve years of service. Unless the story is a year old...

N772UA was delivered in September 1995. The first ever B777 delivery took place in May 1995, so it's a bit amateurish that they talk about "toward the end of 1994".


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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting Sprout5199 (Reply 2):
Guess no more salutes

I disagree. I'm sure some people at United will be doing plenty of saluting. The one-fingered kind.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
N772UA was delivered in September 1995. The first ever B777 delivery took place in May 1995, so it's a bit amateurish that they talk about "toward the end of 1994".

That would be Q6 or Q7 of 1994, right?  Smile

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:13 am

Quite funny though , bet the fireman feels so stupid
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 4):
A P&W 4077 777 deserves to be retired. To power such a mighty airplane with such an awful engine is an insult to the plane. P&W 4090 777 are the ones they should have at UA and only 4090's.

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 15):

The aircraft as Qantas described is very efficient at what stages it operates and is more efficient than the dash 200ER in terms of CASM.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting SpruceMoose (Reply 31):
Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
N772UA was delivered in September 1995. The first ever B777 delivery took place in May 1995, so it's a bit amateurish that they talk about "toward the end of 1994".

That would be Q6 or Q7 of 1994, right?

The plane did have a lot of hours of service on it before delivery to United. The first 5 777s went through an extensive testing procedure as the 777 certification process was the most complicated to date because of the new ETOPS requirements that the plane set.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:14 am

Quoting 77411 (Reply 24):
I doubt it. An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad. If the taxpayer is required to pick up the tab, I am sure these type of salutes would be unfortunately stopped pretty fast.

Three years ago at SNA a firefighter did not set the brake on his fire truck. It then rolled into an AA 757 damaging the forward r/h wing body fairing as well as structure for the forward cargo. The aircraft was out of service for over a week. AA sent Orange County the bill, and they paid. I know the situation is a bit different. However both cases involve someone not paying attention. If someone else damages an airlines aircraft the airline will make sure that party pays.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 10):
No, N772UA is number 5.



Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 29):
N772UA was delivered in September 1995.

It has a very unique and appropriate tail number. If it was #5, what were the tail numbers on the birds delivered before it? Or was it delivered out of the originally planned sequence?

Quoting 77411 (Reply 24):
I doubt it. An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad.

So you mean if I request a mechanic to do work on my car and he screws it up I have no recourse because I requested the service?  Wink
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:43 am

The foam is known as A triple F or AFFF, it is a non corrosive protein, they probably will get away by doing a boroscope and a water wash, however the rest of the aircraft has to get looked at as it also gets into the bleed air system and then the airconditioning systems.
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 36):
Three years ago at SNA a firefighter did not set the brake on his fire truck. It then rolled into an AA 757 damaging the forward r/h wing body fairing as well as structure for the forward cargo. The aircraft was out of service for over a week. AA sent Orange County the bill, and they paid. I know the situation is a bit different. However both cases involve someone not paying attention. If someone else damages an airlines aircraft the airline will make sure that party pays.

FD's probably insured so the insurance will pick the tab.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:09 am

We really need that plane back in service right now with all the 777s flying right now, the increased capacity for the season, and our IAD-KWI runs... this is going to cost a pretty penny. I'd guess ~15 million for starters...not including the out-of-service / lost revenue / etc. charges...
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 30):
I disagree. I'm sure some people at United will be doing plenty of saluting. The one-fingered kind

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To: Dulles International Airport ARFF Crews:


We just want to tell you that in our eyes your number 1!


Here is one way to look at it.... The jet engine is where the fire is.... and foam is how you put it out..... This was just practice! When it happens for real this Fire Fighter will be ready!

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:41 pm

This could have been avoided, but people do make mistakes. Hopefully the consquences won't be bad for the guy who was responsible for the loading.

I wonder what the thought of that UA pilot was when he saw foam instead of water. I guess we have a new request: a foam salute or a water salute. Just kidding.

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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Ser

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 37):
It has a very unique and appropriate tail number. If it was #5, what were the tail numbers on the birds delivered before it? Or was it delivered out of the originally planned sequence?

The first ever B777 to be delivered was N777UA (s/n 007) - even a more appropriate number than N772UA.


UA delivery schedule for 1995:

N777UA (s/n 007): 15/05/95
N766UA (s/n 008): 24/05/95
N767UA (s/n 009): 31/05/95
N768UA (s/n 011): 26/06/95
N769UA (s/n 012): 28/06/95
N770UA (s/n 013): 13/07/95
N772UA (s/n 005): 29/09/95
N773UA (s/n 004): 29/09/95
N771UA (s/n 003): 27/11/95



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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
Does anybody have any idea of how long this a/c is out of service and how much $$'s this will cost UA? I hope it's back in service in a day or two (which I suspect) and they bill the airport management for the costs. As suggested above, perhaps this will end the water salutes for retiring pilots at UA. With today's tight airline budgets and time problems, any little thing like this may have to end, especially if any unexpected costs may be incurred.

Who normally pays for these? I hope it's not the airline i.e. the passengers or the airport i.e. the taxpayer. If the pilot's union pays for them, then that's fine.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 39):
FD's probably insured so the insurance will pick the tab.

It's been my experience that government entities (local, county, port authority, etc.) are self-insured. So whoever the fire department is connected to (local, port authority, etc.) will probably be paying for this. I don't know who runs the FD there.
 
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:26 pm

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 43):


N777UA (s/n 007): 15/05/95
N766UA (s/n 008): 24/05/95
N767UA (s/n 009): 31/05/95
N768UA (s/n 011): 26/06/95
N769UA (s/n 012): 28/06/95
N770UA (s/n 013): 13/07/95
N772UA (s/n 005): 29/09/95
N773UA (s/n 004): 29/09/95
N771UA (s/n 003): 27/11/95

And the oldest one in the UA fleet is N774UA. Big grin
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:18 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
The trainee driver of the fire track, Mr John Leahy

Are they sure it wasn't Ashton Kutcher? I can see him holding a sign in front of the plane saying that the captain just got punk'd.  duck 

Ahh lucky thing this wasn't a double retirement where even the plane went out of service for good. Oh well...
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Ser

Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:26 am

Update to the story posted by Udo last week:

"United Airlines unitentional foam salute that damaged Boeing 777 meant as water salute, says Dulles fire crew"

Quote:
Flight has learnt further details of the bungled foam salute for a retiring United Airlines captain that led to the temporary withdrawl of a Boeing 777-200 from service last week...

...United is understood to have permanently ended the tradition of foam salutes as a result.

This tradition is now likely to end at Dulles, if not everywhere else. Spontaneity will have to be planned in future...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...s+water+salute%2c+says+Dulles.html
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RE: Water Canon Salute Goes Wrong: B777 Out Of Service

Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:41 am

Quoting 77411 (Reply 24):
doubt it. An Airline has to request a water cannon salute from the FD. Therefore, as in this situation, the Airline must bare the consequences if it goes bad. If the taxpayer is required to pick up the tab, I am sure these type of salutes would be unfortunately stopped pretty fast.

I agree, the FD does this as a courtesy and at the airlines request so even though it was an accident and it was the FD fault they shouldn't be liable. If they do get tagged with the bill for this it will be the end to a time honored tradition and no FD will ever take the risk.

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