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Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:46 am

Hey guys, one question that I've been pondering for about 2 years now was why nobody ever contemplated starting another Dutch carrier?

Is there any hope of this ever happening?

Or are we just going to see the KL brand be absorbed by AF and no more Dutch airline?
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:54 am

I guess after the Air Holland and DutchBird debacle nobody wants to risk his money. ArkeFly is actually quite new but is the AH legacy.
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:14 am

And don't forget Martinair... The Other Dutch Airline  Wink
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:32 am

Keep in mind that Transavia Airlines also is a big Dutch carrier. Transavia has become a LCC with operations from Amsterdam, Rotterdam and charter flights out of other Dutch airports.

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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:06 am

I do not think a new independent airline will pop up in the Netherlands. The dominance of the KLM Group (KLM, KLM Cityhopper, transavia.com and partially Martinair) is too strong. For a small company like Holland, however with 16,000,000 inhabitants, new independent airlines face extremely heavy competition from those national established airlines and LCCs from abroad like Ryanair and easyJet. Attempts like Netherlines, V-Bird, Air Holland and Dutch Bird ended up unsuccessful or were sold. Dutch ArkeFly is related with the TUI group. Belgian-Flemish company VLM Airlines (with Dutch owner Jaap Rosen Jacobsen) is an exception and is doing very excellent as a regional niche airline operating from Anwerp, Rotterdam, Luxemburg and Mönchengladbach.


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Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:28 am

Forgot to mention that Dutch airlines suffer heavy competition from foreign airports like Brussels, Liege, Düsseldorf, Paderborn and Köln-Bonn. Especially the German airports are favorite to the Dutch who live in the east and south of the Netherlands because of their easy accessability, much lower parking fees and airport taxes. Those foreign airports are reachable within a 1 or 2 hours cardrive.

Schiphol is an expensive airport to travel from, busy though comfortable and safe but situated in a very traffic jam sensitive area. Düsseldorf is my most favorite airport: cheap, spacious and friendly.

South Netherlands based Eindhoven Airport is booming and is the second busiest Dutch airport and is becoming a serious alternative for competitive airports like Brussels, Liege, Düsseldorf and Köln-Bonn. Rotterdam is in favour to transavia.com and VLM Airlines and is now transavia's second Dutch base. Netherlands' most southern based airport Maastricht Aachen Airport (some 30 km North from Aeroport Liege) is trying hard to play a role again and is, with the help of its province Limburg, attracting industry to its airport.
 
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 4):
Belgian-Flemish company VLM Airlines (with Dutch owner Jaap Rosen Jacobsen) is an exception and is doing very excellent as a regional niche airline operating from Anwerp, Rotterdam, Luxemburg and Mönchengladbach.

VLM havent served Monchengladback for some time - think maybe since Air Berlin started flights there (before moving later to DUS)

Quoting OwlEye (Reply 5):
Netherlands' most southern based airport Maastricht Aachen Airport (some 30 km North from Aeroport Liege) is trying hard to play a role again and is, with the help of its province Limburg, attracting industry to its airport.

MST is loosing Easyjet however which is a big blow. That leaves KLM to AMS and LHR as the only scheduled services I think
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:04 am

As for some regional traffic, aren't there any plans to expand Lelystad Airport? Would that lift some of the pressure off of Schiphol?
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:53 pm

As for Lelystad, plans were shot down by the gov't to make it an airport. ( as I recall, read it in De Telegraaf... and my dutch is somewhat sketchy not too bad though)

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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:30 am

Well, there is a new airline on the way...

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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:47 am

If, any only if, KLM/AF would seriously start cutting back on European and/or LongHaul services out of AMS.....then there is the possibility that a new major Dutch carrier would develop. The Netherlands is a small country and does not have the populaiton to support a second carrier: consider that KLM was one of the first airlines to look beyond their local market to compete in the world market, connecting cities world wide via the very successful AMS hub - only because of this vision did KLM develop into the major airline that it is today.

We could see the expansion of the transavia concept (AF seems to have finally noticed that the transavia product is a success) and/or some other low fare or smaller dutch carriers emerge (especially serving the often forgotten about dutch regional airports such as MST), but KLM will continue to be the one and only major airline of the Netherlands for the foreseeable future.
 
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RE: Another Dutch Airline?

Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:52 am

KLM
MArtinair
Transavia
ArkeFly
Plus all the international,charter and lowcost carriers,

More than enough.

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