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AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 12:29 pm

Hello All, I have a question. Ive been looking at AC's Asian schedule from YYZ. It seems that the A343 operates flights to ICN, NRT (although soon to be 77W), PEK, HKG, and soon to PVG as well. These routes (except HKG) are on a A343. I know that the A343 has no inseat entertainment. Is it in the cards for AC to add AVOD or seat back TV's to the A343?
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:22 pm

No AC A340-313X will have PTVS in Coach, however the A340-541 offer PTV and AVOD in Coach. AC will not be upgrading the A340s because they are going to depart the fleet starting next year. However A330-343Xs will be getting XM interiors with PTVS in all class.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 1):
AC will not be upgrading the A340s because they are going to depart the fleet starting next year.

I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:41 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?

Yeah they will be put on more routes for B777... Don't forget A330-300s will have PTVs too along with B767-300ERs and 200ERs..
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:44 pm

I think 343s are replacing 2x 763 flights (that operated last summer) on Vancouver-Seoul and Vancouver-Osaka in Summer 2007.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:09 pm

About AC's Asian schedule from YYZ, Are YYZ-PVG and PEK going daily starting this summer, or is it just seasonal? What about ICN as well?
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:28 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 1):
However A330-343Xs will be getting XM interiors with PTVS in all class.

What's the timeline for this? Are there any already with XM? I'm flying on one in January, but I guess that there won't be any by then (unless there already is?). I had the pleasure to fly an A320 with XM... loved it!
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:36 pm

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 6):

What's the timeline for this? Are there any already with XM? I'm flying on one in January, but I guess that there won't be any by then (unless there already is?). I had the pleasure to fly an A320 with XM... loved it!

I think it starts in June or July of 2007 I think. Accargo knows best, but I think its the summer time provided there is no bumps in the road.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:37 pm

What made AC change to 777's and will any of their new 777's be going to Hong Kong because I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:42 pm

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
What made AC change to 777's and will any of their new 777's be going to Hong Kong because I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

The 777-233LRs will be placed on that YYZ-HKG route as of Aug 1st 2007, but that could change.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:54 pm

Thank You for the heads up AC777LR, I guess i'll take another shot at AC for the summer. So are you a AC pilot?

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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:02 pm

Quoting AC777LR (Reply 9):
The 777-233LRs will be placed on that YYZ-HKG route as of Aug 1st 2007, but that could change.

What will become of the A345? Does anyone know about YYZ- PEK and PVG (if they are going daily after the summer)?

Sorry I know im full of questions, but im curious.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:51 pm

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
I was flying the A340-500 over the summer from Hong Kong back to Toronto and It was a horrible flight. IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

While many of us prefer one or the other major manufacturer, I doubt you can blame damned Airbus for any of the concerns you listed above. It is up to the airline how far apart they place your seats (usually the same distance in either plane type). I'm sure the toilets are not the fault of the manufacturer as I'm also certain Airbus is not responsible for the lack of adequate meals. Not sure how the galley in the 777 will make your food fill you up more. Sorry to hear of your horrible flight, but apart from AVOD, I'm not sure you'll see much of a difference with the new planes.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:59 pm

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
IT was cramped, most of the toilets in economy were out of service and the food didn't fill me up at all. I hope those 777's go from Toronto to Hong Kong cause I sure do hate those damned airbuses.

Airbus is not responsible for cabin configuration, maintenance of lavatories and catering...


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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:10 am

My mistake for blaming airbus, but as any human being, we're prone to make assumptions. But for the time being, I'm real glad that AC is getting some 777's. Just a quick question, if I want to be a commercial pilot for a airline thats from the U.S. does that mean I must hold an american citizenship?

Sorry airbus

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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:15 am

comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 15):
comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.

They recently emerged from bankruptcy protection, and have decided to spend money.

Air Canada has been voted North America's premier airline I think a couple years running.. so they're doing something right.

Besides, AC has the Project XM going on right now, outfitting their A320 and 767 fleet with skybeds as well as seatback t.v's.

You can't transform an entire fleet over night.

Try and redecorate your entire house in one weekend -- bet ya can't do it.

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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:59 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 15):
comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.

Maybe in a perfect world that would be so, but the fact is all the big N American legacy carriers have been or are struggling, AC seems to have past these hurdles and is coming out of it nicely.

That said, relative to N American carriers AC will be industry leader or among them for putting in seat AVOD and the new interiors. Of course the 772/773 will come fitted this way. And the new "Executive First" service, that is not intended to compete with the full first class service of bedrooms an suites. It is a 2 class configuration and the new "Executive First" sounds like it will be an outstanding product.

All in all AC is not too far away from having its domestic/Canada/US fleet refitted with new interiors and AVOD as well as the new intl product, which places it well ahead of some of its US counterparts.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:11 am

Worst aircraft I have ever flown on in 50 years of flying. Flew YYZ/BGI, air circulation was very poor, noise level was equivalent to the 707 and the ride factor was very rough, wings seem to not move with the turbulence. Use the 320 or 767 to BGI now, and will avoid 340 on future flights. I know that most of you will disagree, but that was one of the worst flights I have ever had, I equate it with the DC3
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
Air Canada has been voted North America's premier airline I think a couple years running.. so they're doing something right.

I can't understand why, whenever I have a choice other than Air Canada I take it. Poor IFE and bad service is Air Canada's hallmark in my opinion. Even a LLC like Westjet has better service and better IFE, although you don't get much food.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting Boeing764 (Reply 19):
I can't understand why, whenever I have a choice other than Air Canada I take it. Poor IFE and bad service is Air Canada's hallmark in my opinion. Even a LLC like Westjet has better service and better IFE, although you don't get much food.

I agree
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I know AC is getting 777. Ive seen them put into the schedule, but are there anymore to come? I ask because of routes like YYZ-PEK and PVG which have the A340. These are awful long routes to not have PTV's in. Will 777's eventually be put to use on these routes?

777s will eventually replace every A340 in the fleet, as well as expand.

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 8):
What made AC change to 777's

Superior economics, superior performance and a package that included 787s

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
What will become of the A345?

They will be going to a second tier airline. Kingfisher is a possibility.

Quoting Bradleycheuk (Reply 14):
Just a quick question, if I want to be a commercial pilot for a airline thats from the U.S. does that mean I must hold an american citizenship?

You don't need to be an American citizen, but you do need to legally be able to work in the US and an airline isn't going to sponsor you for that given that they already have a surplus of pilots who have that ability.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
They recently emerged from bankruptcy protection, and have decided to spend money.

You forgot to mention something else. They are profitable.
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
What will become of the A345? Does anyone know about YYZ- PEK and PVG (if they are going daily after the summer)?

Sorry I know im full of questions, but im curious.

I personally don't have a clue but Sebring said in the reply 52 of Airbus And The A345, Boeing And The 772LR that they are going to stay because the risk of the resale value of a ULR plane.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:38 pm

Living in YYZ I am bound to take AC again at some point since their flights go direct to more places from YYZ but a bad experience in the 90's which made me select CP, growing rewards with CanadianPlus and then AAdvantage, it will be hard to switch to Aeroplan when they are finding ways of cheaping out (i.e. expiring miles, lower availability of seats at normal point levels with more seats available for much more points, etc.) and when AAdvantage has so many more ways to earn and redeem points. For the life of me I can't figure out why AC sold Aeroplan... it seems like an important tool to control the program that says "we care" to customers and rewards them for their loyalty. Aeroplan needs some serious beefing up but with a relative monopoly in Canada I don't see it happening soon. I would really like to try out AC's new PTVs, T1-New, and 777s though.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:05 pm

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
Try and redecorate your entire house in one weekend -- bet ya can't do it.

but they do that on TV in an hour all the time! Big grin
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting UAEflyer (Reply 15):
comeon, how come AC is way behind others, still talking about PTV on each seat!!
look at others they start talking about bedrooms and suites in their fleet and AC is still fitting PTV's.

AC's entire fleet is being updated in one way or another. All narrowbody aircraft are getting new interiors with IFE at every seat. While IFE at every seat is common in widebodies, it is not nearly so common in narrowbodies. Every aircraft in the AC and AC Jazz fleet with at least 70 seats will have IFE, and that is something rare in the industry. As for suites, all widebody aircraft will have them. The 777s are coming with suites, as will the 787s, and the 762 and A333 fleet will be retrofitted with suites. Some are being done now. As for bedrooms, the North American market for a truly outstanding F product is small. No oil sheiks and Saudi princes here. Most airlines serving Canada find that the premium market here ends with the J/C cabin. That's the most even the biggest companies will authorize. If a European airline can sell F to Canada in its home market, it does so, but some airlines have defaulted to a two-class concept, or basically sell a discounted F product at a full J/C price in Canada. If a company has a more generous policy for its CEO, it tends to have a private jet.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 23):
when AAdvantage has so many more ways to earn and redeem points

Aeroplan has more way of earn and redeem miles too beside flying.. Aeroplan has more than 100 partners hotels, airlines, rentals, stores, bank financial, gas station so I don't know where you got the idea AC Aeroplan doesn't offer enough ways to earn and redeem miles.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:35 am

what a/c will be used for the YYZ-DEL service, i am assuming they will start the non-stop service again??!!
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 23):
Living in YYZ I am bound to take AC again at some point since their flights go direct to more places from YYZ but a bad experience in the 90's which made me select CP, growing rewards with CanadianPlus and then AAdvantage, it will be hard to switch to Aeroplan when they are finding ways of cheaping out (i.e. expiring miles, lower availability of seats at normal point levels with more seats available for much more points, etc.) and when AAdvantage has so many more ways to earn and redeem points. For the life of me I can't figure out why AC sold Aeroplan... it seems like an important tool to control the program that says "we care" to customers and rewards them for their loyalty. Aeroplan needs some serious beefing up but with a relative monopoly in Canada I don't see it happening soon. I would really like to try out AC's new PTVs, T1-New, and 777s though.

Unlike AAdvantage, Aeroplan is trying to change into a loyalty management program where you can earn points on a substantial portion of your daily expenditures (food, gas, hardware, etc.). ACE sold Aeroplan because it has value that is best realized when the market is strong, not when AC is in financial jeopardy. Pre-CCAA, the offer from Onex for 30% of Aeroplan valued it at about $1 billion. Today, with the IPO, it's worth over $2.5 billion. Yet AC and Aeroplan remain joined at the hip by a long-term contract. AC continues to buy points from Aeroplan and sell it redemption capacity. As for Aeroplan "beefing up", I first question how much up-to-date knowledge you have of it since you haven't flown AC in a decade, because Aeroplan continues to add non-airline partners. Nor is Aeroplan a monopoly, domestically or internationally. You're AAdvantage membership is proof of that. But caveat emptor. A year from now the US airline industry will look a lot different and with consolidation inevitably comes a reduction in overall capacity, which inevitably means a watering down of frequent flyer benefits. I'd be less concerned with what Aeroplan is going to do in the futue than with what AAdvantage will do.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:18 am

My only beef with Areoplan is that its hard to earn miles to certain destinations (namely the Carribean). You have to buy into the higher booking classes in order to get 100% and for them to count for Top Tier. Going to Europe, Asia, South America, and North America, its much easier.
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RE: AC And The A340

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:31 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 29):
My only beef with Areoplan is that its hard to earn miles to certain destinations (namely the Carribean). You have to buy into the higher booking classes in order to get 100% and for them to count for Top Tier. Going to Europe, Asia, South America, and North America, its much easier.

I assume you mean that you have to buy at least a 'Tango Plus' fare in order to earn 100% Aeroplan miles and status towards higher-level priviledges. If so, then earning miles for Caribbean redemption should be no more difficult than for anywhere else on the route network. If you choose to purchase only the lower 'Tango' fare, then the same is true - you earn points at the same (50%) rate no matter where you wish to eventually redeem them.
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:54 am

Out of curiosity, how does AC fare against the other North American Carriers to markets in the US (ex. DFW, IAH, LAX, NYC, ATL, etc.)? I know that for most markets in the US, they use smaller aircraft like the Emb 175. Any chance of any of the routes being upgraded to the A319 or A320?
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:01 am

NYC and LAX get numerous 319/320/321s. LAX even gets the odd 767. AC is by far the largest carrier between Canada and the US and carries almost as many people as all of the other carriers combined.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:21 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 13):
Airbus is not responsible for cabin configuration, maintenance of lavatories and catering...

They are responsible for a very poor aircraft the A 340. Flown it twice never again. Worst flight I have had in 50 years
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:02 pm

If you guys are complaining about AC's premium cabin, take a look at American's. The past photos I have seen, make the 767 look very little better than coach. You are welcome to stretch out with your legs under the seat in front of you! God help you, if you are at the window and try to get out when the person on the aisle is asleep. I agree with a previous message that states "no oil sheiks over here". The AC product seems to be more than adequate in comparison to most NA carriers, and on a par with most European, especially when you figure that a good portion of the seats are upgrades. Nothing wrong with that, either, as they are earned. However, there is only a certain amount of the total space on a aircraft that you can allow for upgrades etc. before your yield plummets to an unacceptable level. I see on the new 777's, there are 42 Premium seats on each aircraft type, more than one-third the length of the entire aircraft!
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 33):
They are responsible for a very poor aircraft the A 340. Flown it twice never again. Worst flight I have had in 50 years

Please explain? The A340 has one of the quietest cabins of any airliner. 2-4-2 seating in econo is not too crowded. As far as any turbulence or "bumpy rides" go, weather changes on a day to day basis, you can fly with an aircraft one day and on the next day, fly with the same aircraft on the next day, you could have very different results.
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RE: AC And The A340

Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 35):
Please explain? The A340 has one of the quietest cabins of any airliner. 2-4-2 seating in econo is not too crowded. As far as any turbulence or "bumpy rides" go, weather changes on a day to day basis, you can fly with an aircraft one day and on the next day, fly with the same aircraft on the next day, you could have very different results.

Flew it twice to BGI on AC found it noisy as compared to other aircraft, reminded me of the 707. The air circulation on both flights was poor. And the ride was very umcomfortable no flex in the wings. Use the 319 or 767 now, I have flown a lot of 4 engined a/c but this one was the worst, it reminded me of the first flight I had on a DC3
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 36):
Flew it twice to BGI on AC found it noisy as compared to other aircraft, reminded me of the 707. The air circulation on both flights was poor. And the ride was very umcomfortable no flex in the wings. Use the 319 or 767 now, I have flown a lot of 4 engined a/c but this one was the worst, it reminded me of the first flight I had on a DC3

I wonder if this is some sort of subconscious bias, as I've encountered no such thing on any 340's. Felt as smooth as any 747, 767 or 777 I've been aboard. Actually, the roughest flight on a commercial airliner I've experienced was on a 767, but I blame that on the weather, not Boeing. And I think you'd find that the wings on the 340 flex significantly - they have to.
Finally, having flown on 340's and DC-3's (more so the latter), I can assure you the rides are not at all comparable.
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:28 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 33):
They are responsible for a very poor aircraft the A 340. Flown it twice never again. Worst flight I have had in 50 years

Wow, two flights are really representative to judge a type...  Yeah sure

The A340's cabin definitely belongs to the quietest in the industry - and I have never had the impression of the aircraft being "unstable" or "uncomfortable", even when encountering nasty turbulence.


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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 37):
Finally, having flown on 340's and DC-3's (more so the latter), I can assure you the rides are not at all com

They are in my estimation, have not flown a 340 since 2003 and will not fly one, take any airline that doesn't fly them, I am not prejudiced against Airbus just the 340. Fly the 320 and 330 all the time on other airlines and don't have a problem with them, just that damn 340. It is a relic from another time and should be grounded. Sorry that's how I feel about it
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:38 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 39):
I am not prejudiced against Airbus just the 340. Fly the 320 and 330 all the time on other airlines and don't have a problem with them, just that damn 340.

Sure, an A333 is so much different from an A343...  Yeah sure


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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 40):
Sure, an A333 is so much different from an A343...

As I said my personal feeling about that aircraft and having said that I wish you all a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year. May you all get a bag full of 787's and the crew to go with them. May the luck of the Irish be with you all
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 39):
It is a relic from another time and should be grounded.

Likewise?

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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:14 am

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 42):
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Tolerance sir, tolerance.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. You see as you get older one sees things from a different perspective and my feelings about the 340 are born out of the number of different flights I have taken in all sorts of aircraft from the A6 Intruder when I was in the Navy to present day jets
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 40):
Sure, an A333 is so much different from an A343...

Exactly what I was thinking. Asides from two more engines and some more fuel aren't they pretty much the EXACT same plane? By his reasoning the 333's should be considered relics as well.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:34 am

The A340 AC flies are nice aircraft and the 2-4-2 Y seating will be sorely missed when the new 777 with its less than ideal 3-3-3 replaces them.
 
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:48 am

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 44):
By his reasoning the 333's should be considered relics as well.

No they are not. You can say all you want how similar they are but I will disagree with you until the ends of the Earth
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Sebring (Reply 28):
Aeroplan is trying to change into a loyalty management program where you can earn points on a substantial portion of your daily expenditures (food, gas, hardware, etc.).

This works extremely well in Japan, which ANA and JAL teamed up with bunch of non-airline related partners.
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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:48 am

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 46):
No they are not. You can say all you want how similar they are but I will disagree with you until the ends of the Earth

 Yeah sure


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RE: AC And The A340

Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:53 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 6):
I had the pleasure to fly an A320 with XM... loved it!

I second that, however, that still does not replace some FOOD.

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 16):
Air Canada has been voted North America's premier airline I think a couple years running.. so they're doing something right.

What a "prestigious" award! But still congrats to them...

Quoting C172Akula (Reply 44):
Asides from two more engines and some more fuel aren't they pretty much the EXACT same plane?

Exact, minus the additional noise of the 330.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 45):
The A340 AC flies are nice aircraft and the 2-4-2 Y seating will be sorely missed when the new 777 with its less than ideal 3-3-3 replaces them.

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