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Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:42 pm

Delta's service between Atlanta and the Puerto Rican cities of Aguadilla and Ponce is being discontinued. Started last summer utilizing CRJ-700s, the last Atlanta-Aguadilla flight is 20 January 2007, as is the last Atlanta-Ponce flight.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:57 pm

Too bad. Hope they give those cities another shot once the 73Gs arrive. Might be significantly more capacity, but then again, also a boatload of additional cargo space, which is no doubt one of the main reasons the CR7s ops failed.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Delta's service between Atlanta and the Puerto Rican cities of Aguadilla and Ponce is being discontinued. Started last summer utilizing CRJ-700s, the last Atlanta-Aguadilla flight is 20 January 2007, as is the last Atlanta-Ponce flight.

I would assume most of the demand to these cities is from NYC, FL. Thus an ATL routing would not make much sense, even for connecting purposes.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:48 am

Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder how CO's route to PSE has been doing, given its especially crappy schedule (EWR departure @ 11:55 PM, PSE return at about 6 AM). I guess that BQN is performing okay, given that they have kept it for a number of years now...
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:49 am

So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long.  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:11 am

B6 to PSE and BQN have always been great preformers. I would assume CO's are doing just as well. Does CO still run an NG on that route?
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:17 am

Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:23 am

yes, we run 738's on the routes......maybe a 73G sub now and then.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:48 am

EA used to run 757s from EWR to PSE. It was a very popular route. CRJ 700 must have an important factor as to why these routes did not work for DL.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long.

Nevermind the fact that after La Paz, 4 more destinations will actually be launched before these two are discontinued  Yeah sure .

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..

Be assured I'll tell Grinstein personally that they made a mistake and should hire you, since you obviously seem to know more about doing market research than they do  Yeah sure .
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:25 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 4):
So does this mean that DL no longer serves 300 cities? If so, the bragging rights didn't last last very long

Woops - nothing anti-Delta, just a funny comment.

Quoting Prinair (Reply 8):
CRJ 700 must have an important factor as to why these routes did not work for DL.

I must agree here, the large regional jets just seemed all wrong for these markets. I honestly am very surprised that DL could not make these routes work, there must be demand, and with the zillions of connections available at ATL, I would have thought that DL would have no problems filling up the airplanes. When Delta announced its order for ten 73Gs, the PSE and BQN routes came to mind.....routes that probably can not (yet) support a 738 but dont work well with regional aircraft.

Quoting WMUPilot (Reply 5):
B6 to PSE and BQN have always been great preformers. I would assume CO's are doing just as well. Does CO still run an NG on that route?



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 7):
yes, we run 738's on the routes......maybe a 73G sub now and then



Quoting Prinair (Reply 8):
EA used to run 757s from EWR to PSE. It was a very popular route.

Are the routes to PSE and BQN a success out of the NYC area because of the large Puerto Rican population that resides in the NYC area.....with little demand from other parts of the country? Just guessing and looking for a reason because, as I said above, I thought that DL would do well with these now cancelled flights.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3):
Hmmm...that's interesting. I wonder how CO's route to PSE has been doing, given its especially crappy schedule (EWR departure @ 11:55 PM, PSE return at about 6 AM).

You would be surprised how many pax (especially VFR pax) actually prefer time schedules such as this......AA and JetBlue (and Eastern in the past) all seem to do well with their late night flights between NYC and Puerto Rico.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally.

Ummmm, last I checked, Puerto Rico was still part of the United States of America.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:46 am

This is an example of two things:

1) Poor use of RJs. These should have been 738s.
2) The fact that as great a hub Atlanta is, it will still struggle to support certain niche, VFR markets south of the US.

Aguadilla and Ponce would work great (and do) from Florida and New York, but not really from anywhere else. Spirit Airlines will probably be flying to Aguadilla next year from Ft. Lauderdale.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:49 am

Quoting AirCanada014 (Reply 6):
Pitty DL should have done more research on those cities and try to promote the tourism. Maybe they shouldn't expand too fast internationally..

I am sure DL did research on each route. When DL announced the expansion they said they would drop any of the new routes if they failed to develop at an acceptable level. They said if a particular city didn't work they would try another. No big deal, Id rather them make money then fly losing routes for the sake of saying they fly there. I am sure in the future you will hear of additional routes DL recently started and then dropped.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 6:31 am

Quoting 77411 (Reply 13):
No big deal, Id rather them make money then fly losing routes for the sake of saying they fly there. I am sure in the future you will hear of additional routes DL recently started and then dropped.

How many routes to the Caribbean has AC dropped over the years not being able to compete with the charters the many tour operators fly out of the Great White North?
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:21 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Aguadilla and Ponce would work great (and do) from Florida and New York, but not really from anywhere else. Spirit Airlines will probably be flying to Aguadilla next year from Ft. Lauderdale.

Which is why DL should focus on FLL as a focus airport as they have in the past. My intuitiveness tells me they could be more successful in the more populated parts of the Caribbean if they originated these flights from FLL rather than ATL, to these airports in Puerto Rico as well as others in the Dominican Republic nearby. If any U.S. carrier can compete with AA in the region it is DL, they just have to do a better job of playing their cards.
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:49 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):

Which is why DL should focus on FLL as a focus airport as they have in the past. My intuitiveness tells me they could be more successful in the more populated parts of the Caribbean if they originated these flights from FLL rather than ATL, to these airports in Puerto Rico as well as others in the Dominican Republic nearby. If any U.S. carrier can compete with AA in the region it is DL, they just have to do a better job of playing their cards.

I understand what you are saying......and I agree that certain routes to the caribbean would generate more O&D traffic out of FLL or MIA than ATL, but I dont see it happening right now for a few reasons:

1. DL would have to rely almost totally on O&D.....Delta's service into FLL is not what it once was. Thats a tough market to break into, just ask US which has quietly completed its FLL experiment.

2. I dont think that opening an other hub or focus city is a priority for Delta...aside from the hubs, they are growing JFK and trying to rebuild their LAX operation - FLL would be yet another concern streching resources.

3. Spirit is growing its operations in these markets.....and while DL could crush Spirit if it wanted to, I dont think DL is in the mood for a price war and dealing with competition to open these routes. DL gave these routes a try out of ATL, they surprisingly did not work for whatever reason, so DL is moving on and will try something different. DL is willing to take certain risks out of ATL...its a different story in other markets.

4. And then there is AA to think about.....while AA did not over-react to the US FLL experiment, and AA has been rather passive concerning Spirit's growth at FLL, and AA has not directly responded to DL's growing Latin American network out of ATL since AA seems to be of the opinion that as long as AA rules at MIA, it will dominate in Latin America..........DL opening up new caribbean/latin american routes out of FLL (which is just 25 miles down the I95 from MIA) would probably provoke a major response from AA. Does DL want to get into that situation over a few routes out of FLL......I think not.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:30 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Nevermind the fact that after La Paz, 4 more destinations will actually be launched before these two are discontinued

I stand corrected.
 
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RE: Delta Ending PSE, BQN

Sun Dec 17, 2006 12:25 pm

Could DL try these cities in the future via MCO, maybe with their new 737-700s?

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