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Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 7:56 pm

Hi everyone!

By now I'm sure you heard that NRG has closed a deal for 2 343 - as it is they are expected to enter service around Feb/Mar 2007 (the expected delivery is still a rumor, at best). The origin of these 2 343 is still a mystery. It's been a pleasurable torment to try and figure out where they are comming from  Smile

According to some local info from ZRH, cn 15, ex VS G-VAEL landed in ZRH on 15-dec for maintenance at SR Technics - this very 343 would be NRG's first.

Anyone heard anything else? Any help to try and figure out the origin of NRG's 343 would be appreciated.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:05 pm

Wow , a 343 in RG livery would look great !
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:37 pm

Here's what it would look like on an A346. Close enough to a A343.


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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:09 pm

Wow!!! is sad to say that there goes another airplane going down as trash after RG is done with it...we kept them good at VS...hope you return it the same way...
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:10 pm

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 3):

I don't think you know what you're saying... If there's one thing RG has been praised for, it's its maintenance. Even during the most difficult times, Varig has never ever compromised safety - remember the all so common flight xxds??? Acfts might have been stripped for spare parts, but acfts were NOT trashed as you put it. If you're comment has any solid base at all, then I wonder why RG's acfts are in such high demand in the market...

Second point: I think you might be thinking of acfts interiors. If that's the case, then you're right: RG didn't invest any money there. Then again, the comfort of the passanger has nothing to do with the operation itself.

Third point you are forgetting here: you are talking about a new Varig, with a new operational certificate, detached from the old, bankrupt Varig.

Let's try to keep this a real discussion with some good arguments. Therefore, please present facts to support your arguments.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:12 pm

I think we should wait some news from RG in the following days. Routes, airplanes... those guys have a lot of work to do now.

Do u guys think they will place orders for new airplanes?
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:50 pm

coould one plane be the CI one leased from Boeing? B has been advertising its availability from summer 07. Perhaps CI is letting it go earlier.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:02 pm

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 4):

I know many people that interact with Varig's airplanes and I have seen the horrors that I have seen, I dont think you have never really seen the condition their aircraft were flying to the US, and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes. Just because they didnt have a crash it soesnt mean they do good maintenance, sorry to disagree with you but those of us who know about maintenance standards and quality will tell you otherwise.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 4):
If there's one thing RG has been praised for, it's its maintenance.



Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 7):
and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes.

Remember the problems Finnair encountered with its seventh MD-11 that came from RG ?
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:43 pm

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8):
Remember the problems Finnair encountered with its seventh MD-11 that came from RG ?

Thats right, they almost had to make beer cans out of those MD11's, well I hope they keep in mind that they fly people and not cattle.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:49 pm

VC is not an airline. VC is the dearest way to talk with a Brazilian friend. VC deserve to get the best! You've already given us(México) your best (can T7 hint you?)!

Get A34Xs as many as you can (but just meanwhile you can show up for all of us latams with the 1st Em-Br-Aer WB...)

Nail down those A34Xs, call them Joses Carioca and get them to visit all of the Panchos Pistolas.

VVias AAereas del RRIIo GGrande del sur will never die for as long as there is one Brazilian alive or a Mexican amigo that says obrigado. AAeroVVIIAAs NNacionales de CColombiAA has a chance to be a by-stander or join Br & Mx or be taken over...

Rio is Grande (any doubt?) R is G ... RG=Rio Grande.

RG's come back is the least anyone can expect from Big Bro Bra.

Sorry I can't help finding out where those A340s will be coming from, but when "La Rosa de los Vientos" gets on their tails, all of LatAm will be proudly flying again.

"Boa Suerte"

MX (maintenance, not Mexicana) is better done in countries with a Space Agency just like a few... Ru, Us, Eu, Br, Mx.... et al. Get it(El Dorado)?
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting SAOAP (Thread starter):

According to some local info from ZRH, cn 15, ex VS G-VAEL landed in ZRH on 15-dec for maintenance at SR Technics - this very 343 would be NRG's first.

Not true. The VS A343 currently resting at SRTechnic's ZRH base is destined for Air Plus, not Varig.

Source: An SRTechnics management member.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 11):
Not true. The VS A343 currently resting at SRTechnic's ZRH base is destined for Air Plus, not Varig.

Thanks for the update.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8):
Remember the problems Finnair encountered with its seventh MD-11 that came from RG ?

My thoughts exactly.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:01 am

Could be ex-Air Canada.

Any speculation as to when RG returns to the USA?

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:03 am

Varig should have been left to die. It sad to see an airline with such a fabled history become a shadow of its former self.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 7):
know many people that interact with Varig's airplanes and I have seen the horrors that I have seen, I dont think you have never really seen the condition their aircraft were flying to the US, and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes. Just because they didnt have a crash it soesnt mean they do good maintenance, sorry to disagree with you but those of us who know about maintenance standards and quality will tell you otherwise.

You sound like an angry person who has something against RG on a personal level. Be that as it may, just don't forget where you come from.
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:38 am

I had not heard anything about RG getting A340's, but I think it is very good news. RG has an uphill battle because G3 and JJ have gained so much market share, and because the huge problems it faced obviously made its loyal customers to look elsewhere. Anyway, good luck to RG... would be great to see one day a RG A343 in MEX.
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 16):
You sound like an angry person who has something against RG on a personal level. Be that as it may, just don't forget where you come from.

I dont see why my origin should have anything to do with the maintenance some airlines carryout, as a fact I work for a British airline and before that an American carrier, but is OK if you are not on the maintenance field then I can understand your frustration for what I said..
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 11):

Tks for the update - guess we have to look a bit further  Smile

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):

That's one possibility, but as far as I know, the first AC 343 to leave the fleet will go to LX. Then again, you never know...

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 10):

According to my sources within NRG, MEX is one of the priorities as soon as WBs have been found.

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 9):

You're right about some of RG's MD-11 (PP-VQI, PP-VQL, PP-VQM and PP-VQX were a nightmare since the day they came into the fleet ), same goes for some of the T7 that came from the desert (PP-VRC and PP-VRD were a true nightmare - no wonder no one wants them and 'RC' is to be the first T7 to be ripped apart).

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):

Don't know whether the 343 would go to MEX in the beginning... I suppose with AC helping out MEX would be served by 763. Still, I do hope you get to see the 343 in MEX  Smile

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 14):
Could be ex-Air Canada.

The first ex. AC A343 is joining LA next March 2007! But after that who knows... many A343's will be available!

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:10 am

"Varig trash aircraft", well the first B777 being scrapped is a ex varig machine. Go figure.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:29 am

Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 11):

Air Plus also getting ex. BWIA ship 9Y-JIL (ex. G-VSKY) so they have 2 with the same config.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:38 am

Now you can see how many people would agree with me when it comes to RG's maintenance? I dont think is an opinion but a Fact. Have a nice day.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 23):
Now you can see how many people would agree with me when it comes to RG's maintenance? I dont think is an opinion but a Fact. Have a nice day.

Agreed on that one too. They need LHT to train Varigs people.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 8):
Quoting SAOAP (Reply 4):
If there's one thing RG has been praised for, it's its maintenance.

Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 7):
and anyone here that has ever touch a Varig plane will know how badly maintained their planes.

Remember the problems Finnair encountered with its seventh MD-11 that came from RG ?

An ex-VARIG 767-300ER that went to LOT as SP-LPE (one in the Star Alliance livery), has become a hangar queen and maintanance nightmare. It took several months more than expected to fix it and bring back to reasonable dispatch reliability.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
You're right about some of RG's MD-11 (PP-VQI, PP-VQL, PP-VQM and PP-VQX were a nightmare since the day they came into the fleet )

VQI is an ex. Garuda bird, and the three others were with VP before coming to RG.

Is PP-VRC going to be ripped appart because of RG bad maintenance, or for other factors? I haven't read the whole thread on that topic.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:42 am

Quoting Sevenforeseven (Reply 21):
"Varig trash aircraft", well the first B777 being scrapped is a ex varig machine. Go figure.

Actualy ex BA. 777-236 with GE 7-B engines. Varigs mx may have played a key role of that a/c condition.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:58 am

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 27):
Actualy ex BA. 777-236 with GE 7-B engines. Varigs mx may have played a key role of that a/c condition.

..well, they were all in fine condition when they left us!
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:16 am

Didn't Air Canada buy into Varig...and aren't they taking delivery of the 777 in March and looking to vest themselves of the 340....maybe this is the source....


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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 28):
..well, they were all in fine condition when they left us!

Agreed. They need LH Techniks down there to handle maintenance.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 19):
You're right about some of RG's MD-11 (PP-VQI, PP-VQL, PP-VQM and PP-VQX were a nightmare since the day they came into the fleet ), same goes for some of the T7 that came from the desert (PP-VRC and PP-VRD were a true nightmare - no wonder no one wants them and 'RC' is to be the first T7 to be ripped apart).

You dont seem to understand..the 777's that came from the desert were ex UA planes and they were in perfect condition upon delivery! Then the story starts once Varig started to carry out some maintnance checks on them and the planes became in total trash condition..


Another nice story is the condition the MD11 came from Varig to Finnair..

Finnair MX found wires cut and ending nowere just stuffed in somewere. The EICAS software was so bugged up and had not been fixed that people from Boeing had to come over and update the EICAS software. The throttles were very un-synced etc.

Quoting Konrad (Reply 25):
An ex-VARIG 767-300ER that went to LOT as SP-LPE (one in the Star Alliance livery), has become a hangar queen and maintanance nightmare. It took several months more than expected to fix it and bring back to reasonable dispatch reliability.

Same thing here! This plane after being "raped" by Varig once again was in a detiriorating condition... The engines were operating on a higher thrust rating which is no problem because the CF6 has many different thrust ratings. But the FMC and manual stated the lower thrust rating so initially the pilots were not aware of thrust being available..

BTW i have nothing against varig but when some of you say that their maintnance is good for the condition their in, well then that is bullshit because their maintnance conditions are deteriorating and in no way should varig MX be allowed to even touch a plane.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:12 am

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 31):
You dont seem to understand..the 777's that came from the desert were ex UA planes and they were in perfect condition upon delivery!

..err, you don't seem to understand either! The 777's that came from the desert were ex-BA machines, not UA machines!

PP-VRC was originally BA777-236 G-ZZZD
PP-VRD was originally BA777-236 G-ZZZE
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 32):
The 777's that came from the desert were ex-BA machines, not UA machines!

PP-VRI - ex N767UA - stored GYR 3/04 - 2/05

PP-VRE - ex N207UA - stored GYR 7/03 - 11/04

PP-VRF - ex N208UA - stored GYR 7/03 - 11/04

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:29 am

You're both correct. RG got 777's from both UA and BA. Sounds like their all in bad shape now.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting MXComet4C (Reply 10):
VVias AAereas del RRIIo GGrande del sur will never die for as long as there is one Brazilian alive or a Mexican amigo that says obrigado. AAeroVVIIAAs NNacionales de CColombiAA has a chance to be a by-stander or join Br & Mx or be taken over...

Rio is Grande (any doubt?) R is G ... RG=Rio Grande.

Are you already celebrating Christmas and New Year's eve with tequila?? Big grin  Big grin

Because, I have no idea what are you talking about!

VARIG: Viacao Aerea Rio Grandense. Not Rio Grande (Mexico), thank God (for Brazil), they are very,very different in so many ways.
And what Avianca has to do with this???
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:45 pm

Just curious ,how come VG is getting A340s instead of 777s? Are they cheaper, easier to get or serve their needs better? Waht will happen to the existing 777 pilots, will they transition to the A340 or will there be new pilots?
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 35):

It was hard to read.. but I think you need to know a little of Portuguese, Spanish and understand some things we all in Latam have in common...
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:51 pm

Quoting SAOAP (Reply 4):

Wow, who´s had a bad day?

Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 16):
Be that as it may, just don't forget where you come from.

I´m sorry but since when being Colombian has to do with not knowing about a/c maintenance? And since when is Colombia known for bad maintenance? (AV Maintenance is fully certified by the FAA and JAA).

Back to the topic, i hope RG fly these birds to the US. TAM is a very good airline but it´s not fair that they take all of the market for themselves.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:52 pm

Interesting horror stories on Varig maintenance. I'd be scared for fly on a Varig jet now. Sheesh...how could such a MX culture develop?????

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 39):
Scared for fly on Varig Jet




You better be!!!! Their MX sux! ours is sooooooooo much better!





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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:40 pm

I don't know why nobody has thought about it but Air Madrid has ceased operations now, 2 A343's are sitting around, EC-JIS in someplace in Spain and another one seen in full cs before even beeing delivered in France, both I think are ex. Air France ships and are 300's. This probably could be the source since they definetly now have no owner!

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:42 pm

When is Jet airways getting their 777-300ERs? As soon as they receive their first 3, the 3 A340-300s will be going.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:19 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 39):
Interesting horror stories on Varig maintenance. I'd be scared for fly on a Varig jet now. Sheesh...how could such a MX culture develop????? B4e-Forever New Frontiers  

Sadly Brazil like many other countries is still far behind in some spots such as aircraft MX this of course always depends from the carrier because JJ does a great job. The problem is that the govvernment does little to nothing to prevent such things.

But they are on the right track to getting better Big grin

BTW regarding Finnair's MD11 the condition was so bad that the finnish aviation athourities while doing a minor check after delivery wanted to ground the aircraft because after european standard's it would of fallen through. And only after Finnair MX did some hard work on it, it was certified to fly. Meaning that the condition it was in uopon delivery was under minumum requirements.

And dont forget the Vargig MD11 that lost its center gear while inflight and then landed safely at GRU. Well they now found out a bolt was wrongly used because it had a different length which is why the plane lost the center gear.


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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 42):
As soon as they receive their first 3, the 3 A340-300s will be going.

Yes, going back to SAA, where they came from. Finally!!

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:05 pm

Hi Guys!

I've been following all this discussion about RG bad maitenance and I am impressed. As far as I know, RG maintenance center in (now a TAP maintenance center) POA was considered one of the best in the world. Many airlines had contracts with RG for their checks. If RG maintenance was so bad, I believe those airlines wouldn't send their airplanes there AT ALL.
Additionally, RG maintenance center was certified by FAA and JAA and RG was responsible for given assistance to many international airlines at GRU and GIG.

Again, something is wrong here....

If you say that their aircraft conditions deteriorated with the economical crisis of the company, then I will totally agree with you. But saying that they had bad maintenance even when the situation of the company was good does not make sense to me. I would like to see what other Brazilians think about that.

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 43):
Sadly Brazil like many other countries is still far behind in some spots such as aircraft MX this of course always depends from the carrier because JJ does a great job.

I am impressed with your knowledge about Brazil aircraft maintenance. I do suppose you have a HUGE experience on this field and crossed the world many times already checking maintenance standards, right?

For your information. JJ always had a bad reputation about their maintenance in Brazil. Clearly, it changed in the recent years when they started growing. Please, I am not saying that their maintenance was poor. I am just stating a fact.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:40 pm

A couple of the T7,s were okey but they went to AM.

Cactus
VQX will now go to JJ together with VQJ and VQK.

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:43 pm

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 45):
For your information. JJ always had a bad reputation about their maintenance in Brazil. Clearly, it changed in the recent years when they started growing. Please, I am not saying that their maintenance was poor. I am just stating a fact.

I did not mention the past! i was talking about now in the past 2 years to my knowledge the maintnance has been good for JJ. And im sorry if i commented wrong on the past!

My point is that the maintnance corried out by RG for RG plane using their own money was no were near good to my knowledge of course.

And of course the meintnance carried out by RG for other airlines were RG MX actually can make a profit will be just as good as any other MX company.

Quoting EMB195ER (Reply 45):
I am impressed with your knowledge about Brazil aircraft maintenance. I do suppose you have a HUGE experience on this field and crossed the world many times already checking maintenance standards, right?

All i can do is use my knowledge about the planes that whent from RG to Finnair and LOT. Because when they came from previouse carriers over ILFC to RG they were in perfect condition and when coming back their conditions were not legally flyable anymore.

Maybe you would like to read my first post regarding the MD11 and the 767 technical conditions.  Smile

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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:53 pm

Again ...it seems weird and I think that the bad condition of the airplanes is related to RG bankrupcy.

I know many people in Brazil and everyone always said that RG fleet maintenance was VERY GOOD. Of course it changed with the poor situation of the company.
 
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RE: Varig Flying The A340-300

Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:44 pm

I have an idea about the origin of those A343s: Only a few days ago, 2 A343s were listed for sale on www.speednews.com , by Boeing's aircraft trade subsidiary. And now they're gone...
Exceptions confirm the rule.