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AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:36 pm

On 12/17 AA293 lost their #2 engine at V2 on take off from DEL (compressor stall). The flight flew the pattern whilst dumping fuel and landed safely back at DEL 12 minutes later. The flight did cancel.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:39 pm

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
On 12/17 AA293 lost their #2 engine at V2 on take off from DEL (compressor stall). The flight flew the pattern whilst dumping fuel and landed safely back at DEL 12 minutes later. The flight did cancel.

That sucks. Will they be able to repair the bad engine in any reasonable amount of time? I'm assuming the pax stuck in DEL will be booked on other carriers and that AA will move another 777 over to cover the route.

Better to have a compressor stall at V2, than while cruising over who-knows-where!

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:39 pm

Ouch, tons of holiday passengers I bet. What's the best option for misconnects?
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:59 pm

Quoting BALAX (Reply 2):
What's the best option for misconnects?

Put them on other flights that has room and will go to the airport it was intended on the route of the now out-of-service aircraft, or give the pax an option of waiting for the spare plane to come.
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 3:03 pm

Awesome news.

In the old days, losing an engine on takeoff more often than not meant loss of life as well.

So who does AA contract out to in Delhi to take care of problems such as this? Or, are they going to charter a freighter to haul a new engine and the mechanics to install it. (As some airlines do)

Sidenote. In the early days, engine failures were so frequent for TWA that they had a special aircraft just to ferry jet engines to broken-down airliners all around Europe.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:54 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Sidenote. In the early days, engine failures were so frequent for TWA that they had a special aircraft just to ferry jet engines to broken-down airliners all around Europe.

What type were the Engine problems on.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
Sidenote. In the early days, engine failures were so frequent for TWA that they had a special aircraft just to ferry jet engines to broken-down airliners all around Europe.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:06 pm

Glad this was all safe! And definitely glad that this happened while still in India, I would hate to have to land in one of the colder countries to the north of India - without adequate clothing!

Keep us updated as to the status of the pax and the aircraft.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
So who does AA contract out to in Delhi to take care of problems such as this? Or, are they going to charter a freighter to haul a new engine and the mechanics to install it. (As some airlines do)

Yes AA will likely charter a Russian freighter an Antanov ???? that will also likely include a "Field Trip" (permission slips from your parents not needed), of mechanics to go work on it. I heard the cost of the whole program to get the engine to a foreign land, plus the field trip, and the lost revenue (1 A/C short in the system now) is over $1,000,000.00
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:00 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 7):
I would hate to have to land in one of the colder countries to the north of India - without adequate clothing!

Had this happened, the flight would have likely continued on or diverted to a more hospitable location (somewhere in Scandinavia or elsewhere in Europe). The 777 can fly for a considerable distance with one engine.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:15 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 9):
Had this happened, the flight would have likely continued on or diverted to a more hospitable location (somewhere in Scandinavia or elsewhere in Europe). The 777 can fly for a considerable distance with one engine.

While it's true that the 777 can fly or a considerable distance only only one engine, diverting to a more distant "hospitable" location isn't the likely option that you think it is. We (US-registered airlines) have these pesky things called FARs that we have to abide by, and one of them states, in essence, that if you're in a twin and lose an engine, you land at the nearest suitable airport in point-of-time. "Nearest suitable" is in the context of "operationally suitable" as in being the airport being able to safely handle the aircraft as far as runway length, etc., and not "customer service suitable".

Sec. 121.565 - Engine inoperative: Landing; reporting.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:19 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
While it's true that the 777 can fly or a considerable distance only only one engine, diverting to a more distant "hospitable" location isn't the likely option that you think it is. We (US-registered airlines) have these pesky things called FARs that we have to abide by, and one of them states, in essence, that if you're in a twin and lose an engine, you land at the nearest suitable airport in point-of-time. "Nearest suitable" means "operationally suitable" as in being the airport being able to safely handle the aircraft as far as runway length, etc., and not "customer service suitable".

Oh so true, remember the NW DC10 that diverted to THR?
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:25 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.

So BA is exempt from these rules?  stirthepot 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
...US-registered airlines...

You mean certificated?  Wink Sorry, it's my favorite "FAA word."

I'm curious, though, to know if there is an FAR requirement regarding engines that are not fully operative but have not failed (e.g. not capable of producing full rated thrust but still able to run without damage.) Can you continue on (albeit perhaps unwise) as long as the engine doesn't fail or require an in-flight shutdown? Perhaps a concrete example would be the requirement to do a non-derated takeoff every so often; if maximum thrust isn't there can the flight continue on per normal?

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:30 am

Those passengers probably ended up with quite a wait in DEL. AA would probably need to rebook passengers on other airlines, but flights out of DEL almost all leave in the middle of the night, so by the time this ordeal was over, there would be no options for flights that connect through Europe for another full day. This will be an expensive failure, especially if the flight had a high load factor.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:43 am

Quoting AA787823 (Reply 11):
Oh so true, remember the NW DC10 that diverted to THR?

Nah, I missed that one...

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 13):
You mean certificated? Sorry, it's my favorite "FAA word."

Yes. (I had my FAA-ese translator "off")  Wink

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):
So BA is exempt from these rules?

Sorry, I'm not going to touch that one with a 10-foot (3.048 meter) pole...  Wink

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 13):
I'm curious, though, to know if there is an FAR requirement regarding engines that are not fully operative but have not failed (e.g. not capable of producing full rated thrust but still able to run without damage.) Can you continue on (albeit perhaps unwise) as long as the engine doesn't fail or require an in-flight shutdown?

I think the FAA would take the position that if it's not fully operative, it has "failed" in the sense that it's not operating as designed, desired, or intended. It may sound like sematics, but dealing with FAA on semantic (or other) issues can be like wrestling a pig--you can do so, and you'll get really dirty in the process, but after awhile you come to the realization that the pig really enjoys it...  Wink
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:49 am

So, hypothetically, you'd air return or divert one of your flights for such an issue or would a hypothetical crew just sit on the problem and write it up upon arrival?

Thanks for the response!

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:57 am

Quoting BALAX (Reply 2):
What's the best option for misconnects?

I guess if there was a going to be a long time for the Aircraft to be fixed then a the passengers would probs be put on a BA flight to LHR and then back onto AA for ORD. Im guessing that if they really wanted to go then PIA also serve ORD from nearby Islamabad so they might have put passengers on that. Also if just wondering then if AA could just fly the plane on one engine to an airport that they could then replace the engine as it might be cheaper that way. Perhaps fly it to Europe (LHR or another base that would use T7s) for repairs???
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 17):
Also if just wondering then if AA could just fly the plane on one engine to an airport that they could then replace the engine as it might be cheaper that way. Perhaps fly it to Europe (LHR or another base that would use T7s) for repairs???

I don't believe that the 777 is certified for one engine ferry flights. Four engine airplanes are typically certified for ferry flights with one less engine, but I don't think there is a chance for a twin. DEL is a big airport and Air India operates 777s from DEL. The airport can handle the situation if AA or some contractor brings in additional technical suport. It isn't as if the plane diverted to Tibet. It's in one of the largest cities in the world.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 16):
So, hypothetically, you'd air return or divert one of your flights for such an issue or would a hypothetical crew just sit on the problem and write it up upon arrival?

Hypothetically, I'd expect a crew to follow the applicable QRH procedure.  Wink

If I'm advised of an inflight problem, I'll also check the QRH, so as to ensure something hypothetically hasn't been missed, the weather doesn't preclude a desired action, and to coordinate the ground end of anything that needs to be accomplished.

If a hypothetical crew shuts down an engine on a twin and hypothetically tells me he doesn't want to go to the nearest suitable airport in favor of a more distant airport XYZ (which is in a warmer clime, has a great crew hotel, and/or has better happy hour specials), they're still the PIC and ultimately responsible, but you can be sure that I'd declare an emergency, and take whatever action(s) I felt necessary to get the aircraft on the safely as soon as possible. None of that may end up stopping him/her from going to XYZ, but my license would be far less at risk from a non-hypothetical FAA than his/hers would.

All "hypothetical", of course...  Wink
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:06 am

OPNLguy, thanks for the hypothetical response explaining how things work in the equally non-hypothetical real world  Wink
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
DEL is a big airport and Air India operates 777s from DEL

Ah forgot that!! do Air India use Rolls Royce engines like AA? perhaps they can then get Air India to do some work on it to get it back to ORD for an inspection.

If this compressor failure had happened half way into the flight or lets say 3 hours out of ORD, would they have just continued on?
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
do Air India use Rolls Royce engines like AA?

No, they are ex-UAL machines and I think they're powered by Pratt & Whitney 4090's. (But could be wrong!)
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
If this compressor failure had happened half way into the flight or lets say 3 hours out of ORD, would they have just continued on?

If they were three hours out of ORD, they'd probably be over the North American continent, which would have provided for ample diversion airports. 777s have ended up in places like Yellowknife Canada before in the event of an engine failure. Continuing on to ORD on a single engine is not a safe idea.

The only time they would continue on was if they were already in contact with ORD approach. They may be closer to MKE, GRR or wherever else, but probably would end up at ORD if they had an engine shutdown during descent.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 21):
If this compressor failure had happened half way into the flight or lets say 3 hours out of ORD, would they have just continued on?



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
Sec. 121.565 - Engine inoperative: Landing; reporting.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
What type were the Engine problems on.

In that era, mostly P&W2800's and Wright3350's (turbocompound were the worse). DC-6s (and maybe earlier Connies) used the 2800 and DC-7s and later Connies used the Wright. The turbojets and turbofans greatly improved reliability.
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:08 am

I think I'd rather not have an engine failure at V2. When you're at V2 you've been airborne for a few seconds and in a very critical phase of flight. I'd rather be at cruise. Actually I'd rather not have an engine failure at all.


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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Checkraiser (Reply 12):
So BA is exempt from these rules?

Since when is BA US registered? Not to mention that it was a 4 holer...
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 27):
Since when is BA US registered? Not to mention that it was a 4 holer...

His  stirthepot  at the end of his message suggests that he indeed already knows this, and was only saying it for effect...  Wink
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:12 am

what about the NW THR diversion??? please give me more details on that!
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting AA787823 (Thread starter):
On 12/17 AA293 lost their #2 engine at V2 on take off from DEL (compressor stall). The flight flew the pattern whilst dumping fuel and landed safely back at DEL 12 minutes later. The flight did cancel.

I am curious how much fuel could it dump in just 12 minutes? Wasn't it close to a full load upon departure?
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:35 am

Quoting Konrad (Reply 30):
I am curious how much fuel could it dump in just 12 minutes? Wasn't it close to a full load upon departure?

I found this on another site:

Generally, in a commercial jet airplane, there is usually a fairly big difference between the maximum take off weight and the maximum landing weight. For instance, on a Boeing 777-200IGW (Increased Gross Weight), the maximum take off weight is about 286,800 kg and the maximum landing weight limitation is around 208,600 kg, giving a difference of 78,200 kilograms.

I don't know at what rate a 777 can dump fuel (I'm still looking for the info), but something else to consider here are (1) one only has to dump enough fuel to get down to the max landing weight, and (2) that it might not take all that long if the actual takeoff weight was below the max takeoff weight.

For example, and using the numbers above, if they took off at only 228,600 kg (and not the max 286,800 kg), they'd have only been 20,000 kg above max landing weight, and therefore have less fuel to dump, taking less time. Likewise if they took off at 218,600 kg, etc. etc.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:25 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 31):
I don't know at what rate a 777 can dump fuel (I'm still looking for the info),

Excepted from a post elsewhere from about 4 years ago, FWIW...

For the 777, (at least the -200 version)

Fuel Jettison rate with both nozzles and override/jettison pumps running (i.e. normal operation) the book figure is 2449 kg/min


Accordingly, 10 minutes of dumping would shed 24,490 kg...
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:28 am

What is V2?? I am still learning!!!  Smile
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 32):
Accordingly, 10 minutes of dumping would shed 24,490 kg...

Well, you learn something new every day. That might help my waistband after christmas.....  Big grin
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:02 am

I thought V2 was the speed just before the plane rotates off the runway. Isn't V1 the speed where the plane has to continue on with take-off due to speed and remaining runway?

Wouldn't V2 be one of the worst times to lose an engine? Especially on this flight - this is AA's longest flight in the network, right? I would think it would be very near maximum take-off weight - filled with fuel and holiday travelers and cargo.
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:22 am

Quoting Willyj (Reply 35):
I thought V2 was the speed just before the plane rotates off the runway. Isn't V1 the speed where the plane has to continue on with take-off due to speed and remaining runway?

Wouldn't V2 be one of the worst times to lose an engine?

I won't rehash all of them, but the ones you're looking for are (in order of use during a takeoff) are V1, VR, VLOF, and V2. Check out the definitions here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds

Quoting Willyj (Reply 35):
Especially on this flight - this is AA's longest flight in the network, right? I would think it would be very near maximum take-off weight - filled with fuel and holiday travelers and cargo.

We can assume it was, but it'd be just that, i.e. an assumption. It may have been less.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:37 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
the old days, losing an engine on takeoff more often than not meant loss of life as well.

Not necessarily. remember that back in those days all aircraft had 4 engines, loosing one on take off was not a major problem as long as you were off the ground. Remember loosing one on take off out of JFK to SJU, we circled and dumped fuel and landed safely
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:54 am

Quoting Ssides (Reply 9):
Had this happened, the flight would have likely continued on or diverted to a more hospitable location.

Losing an engine does not allow that luxury. Especially on a twin

Quoting 777fan (Reply 1):
Better to have a compressor stall at V2, than while cruising over who-knows-where!

Wrong!! anytime after V1 is a bad time to lose an engine. Losing it cruising over who knows where is the better option.

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 13):
I'm curious, though, to know if there is an FAR requirement regarding engines that are not fully operative but have not failed (e.g. not capable of producing full rated thrust but still able to run without damage.) Can you continue on (albeit perhaps unwise) as long as the engine doesn't fail or require an in-flight shutdown? Perhaps a concrete example would be the requirement to do a non-derated takeoff every so often; if maximum thrust isn't there can the flight continue on per normal?

Once again. Lose an engine and land at nearest suitable airport.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
Quoting Albird87 (Reply 17):
Also if just wondering then if AA could just fly the plane on one engine to an airport that they could then replace the engine as it might be cheaper that way. Perhaps fly it to Europe (LHR or another base that would use T7s) for repairs???

Fly it from DEL to anywhere with one engine out.

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quote=Albird87,reply=21]If this compressor failure had happened half way into the flight or lets say 3 hours out of ORD, would they have just continued on?[/quote]

Once again it is a two engine airplane. Not counting on following the FAR's would you want to continue on with "one " good engine.



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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:44 am

Quoting 777WT (Reply 3):
or give the pax an option of waiting for the spare plane to come.

AA is not going to reposition an aircraft to New Delhi. It's too far. Way too far.
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:02 am

Question: Wouldn't the DEL-ORD flightpath be over the Himalayas? Surely it wouldn't be wise to fly over 25,000 ft peaks on one engine, or does it not really make a difference?
 
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 40):
Question: Wouldn't the DEL-ORD flightpath be over the Himalayas? Surely it wouldn't be wise to fly over 25,000 ft peaks on one engine, or does it not really make a difference?

A moot issue.

If the aircraft was back on the ground 12 minutes after takeoff, that suggests that it was about 6 miles away from DEL when they turned around, and DEL was thus the nearest suitable airport in point of time, and why (per 121.655) it went back to DEL.

One more thing--stop calling me Shirley...  Wink

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:13 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 40):
Question: Wouldn't the DEL-ORD flightpath be over the Himalayas? Surely it wouldn't be wise to fly over 25,000 ft peaks on one engine, or does it not really make a difference?

Did you read these posts???

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 24):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
Sec. 121.565 - Engine inoperative: Landing; reporting.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 10):
While it's true that the 777 can fly or a considerable distance only only one engine, diverting to a more distant "hospitable" location isn't the likely option that you think it is. We (US-registered airlines) have these pesky things called FARs that we have to abide by, and one of them states, in essence, that if you're in a twin and lose an engine, you land at the nearest suitable airport in point-of-time. "Nearest suitable" is in the context of "operationally suitable" as in being the airport being able to safely handle the aircraft as far as runway length, etc., and not "customer service suitable".

Sec. 121.565 - Engine inoperative: Landing; reporting.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 42):
Did you read these posts???

Do you have to be so rude?

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 42):
Not to continue on with pride over the Himalayas

The plane doesn't even fly over the Himalayas..
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 42):
Quoting Comorin (Reply 40):
Question: Wouldn't the DEL-ORD flightpath be over the Himalayas? Surely it wouldn't be wise to fly over 25,000 ft peaks on one engine, or does it not really make a difference?



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
The plane doesn't even fly over the Himalayas..

Read his origianl post!!! Asking about flying over the Himalayas on one engine
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:31 pm

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 42):
Did you read these posts???

After 7.5 years on Anet, I've come to conclusion that some folks never seem to read more than 2-3 messages back. They end up missing alot sometimes, but such is life...  Wink
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:33 pm

Quoting Wingnut767 (Reply 44):

Read his origianl post!!! Asking about flying over the Himalayas on one engine

That's fine..but one need not to be rude..maybe he didn't know or understand..it does happen...... Smile
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:19 pm

Good luck to the a/c and the people. I hope a a-netter gets some photographs of this beauty on the ground at DEL. I think they will ferry it DEL-LHR where they will do the engine change. If not an A124 will bring the engine in.

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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 45):
After 7.5 years on Anet, I've come to conclusion that some folks never seem to read more than 2-3 messages back. They end up missing alot sometimes, but such is life...

After 7 years and 3 days here, I'm starting to feel the same way. Hypethetically, whenever one posts he/she will spend the time to read through the previous posts. And then, hypethetically, with all the available information, the threads will be enjoyable to read and contribute to. But as this is generally not a reality here, perhaps, hypethetically, we could start a new forum, the "Hypethetical General Aviation" forum, where the posts would be based only on facts and the members respect each other regardless of age, race, religion, sex, career, etc. Oh, wait, that would be the "Utopian General Aviation" forum...

Sorry for the rant....Anyway, to get back to the subject at hand. Does anyone have any information as to the true cause of the engine failure? AA787823 - I may be wrong, but it seems you may be privey to the actual events - could you keep us updated with any news?
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RE: AA293 Diverts Back To DEL 12/17

Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:16 pm

thanks for the link to definitions..opnlguy.

the flight path usually avoids the Himalayas, last winter when i flew AA from ORD-DEL, we went over Tehran, then on to Kabul, finally into lahore and then started our descent close to chandigarh.  Smile
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